Conquer Club

(Concerning banned members being unable to view Private Messages)

AndyDufresne wrote:It's all tied to Forum related software. This issue impacts very few users on Conquer Club. If you'd like to continue to discuss this, it is probably better suited for a new topic.


--Andy

would that not just be the same thing as using the forms if they could email other members? then there would not be any point to the ban because it would not be a punishment.

targetman377 wrote:would that not just be the same thing as using the forms if they could email other members? then there would not be any point to the ban because it would not be a punishment.

I have no clue what you just said but regardless, "No."

the.killing.44 wrote:

targetman377 wrote:would that not just be the same thing as using the forms if they could email other members? then there would not be any point to the ban because it would not be a punishment.

I have no clue what you just said but regardless, "No."

Rough translation: since pms are used to communicate with other members they are the same as the forums. the forum ban is worthless because the banned can pm other members.

Even though I have not been banned it seems irrational to have a community related punishment effect potentially non-community related activities. Also a quick question, does a forum ban also prevent one from posting on walls to communicate with others?

A forum ban removes all access to your PM and Wall as well as forum posting abilities.

Forum bans should not also block users from pm and wall. CC claims that they can not separate them from each other but I'm not quite believing that it can't be done. Heck when your forum banned you can still access and post in private/clan forums. They are able to segregate that.

jefjef wrote:A forum ban removes all access to your PM and Wall as well as forum posting abilities.

Forum bans should not also block users from pm and wall. CC claims that they can not separate them from each other but I'm not quite believing that it can't be done. Heck when your forum banned you can still access and post in private/clan forums. They are able to segregate that.

They could separate the 2, but they choose not to.

Solution: Don't get banned.

mpjh wrote:Solution: Don't get banned.

Problem: Irrational bannings

Well, if you have been banned irrationally, why do you expect admin to allow "rational" use of the PM feature?

targetman377 wrote:would that not just be the same thing as using the forms if they could email other members? then there would not be any point to the ban because it would not be a punishment.

People get banned for posting offensive things in the forum for 2 reasons:

1. It may "hurt the feelings" (can't think of a better phrase) of the person who is it aimed towards
2. It is in the open forum so everyone else can see it:
a. Bad for kids ("I'm 12 and what is this")
b. May offend other users

1 is easily fixable (FAMO).

For 2, the only things you can do is edit/delete the post and punish the user.

The thing is, PMs aren't in the open forum. They're for a very small, specific group of people to see. And at least banned users can look at the forum for callouts/competitions. They should at least be able to READ their PMs (and respond to them, but that's not the very least).

I belive that every thing can be implemented, but only if people want to implemented. Just look on sugestion forums, many good ideas and they need to be for 2-3 years in forum to be implemented. If they want to separate PM from Forums, then these will be done, but maybe they dont have interest to do that? Its much easy to ban person. Im also dont understand how its forum ban its same with PM ban.

From what i understand it requires lack to hack the forum software. And he wants to spend time to do changes etc that effect a greater % of the community.

Whilst I agree...People who do get forum banned for whatever reason shouldnt be restricted from pm's ...especially (up until recently) game invites. Changing that was a very positive step forward. Also now that its possible and easy to report abusive pm's. It may be worthwhile to seperate the two. Its all up to lack though really.

jef you cannot post in private forums whilst on a forum ban.

But yer currently the systems are all tied up together with php. Hence when you ban from one you ban from all.

Have we forgot something else in this. i done a 24 hour forum ban during that time i could not even do a player search or even access a players home page to check out if he had experiance on a game he had joined. Also you cannot check a players ratings. Now i found it annoying imagine what it would feel like for someone on a six month ban.I think owen made a valid point in another thread about multis being able to buy straight back why. Should it not be made that they can not buy back for a set amount of time.

at the same time as owen pointed out you get banned for a multi you can buy back in right! well you can only do that once. in the forms you get warnings or a 24 hr ban that builds up to a 6 month ban. so it not like you lose your pm for that long yes it sucks but punishments are never fun. other wise what would be the point? and no one will ever learn from the mistakes

targetman377 wrote:at the same time as owen pointed out you get banned for a multi you can buy back in right! well you can only do that once. in the forms you get warnings or a 24 hr ban that builds up to a 6 month ban. so it not like you lose your pm for that long yes it sucks but punishments are never fun. other wise what would be the point? and no one will ever learn from the mistakes

You are clearly missing the inherent flaw in the current system that the Black Jesus is pointing out.

People who are punished for flaming/baiting/trolling on the forums are punished in ways that affect the game. People who are punished for cheating the game, are allowed to buy back and play as if nothing happened.

As a user of this website, I'd rather the harsher penalties be reserved for those who cheat the game play, not the forums.

Bones2484 wrote:

targetman377 wrote:at the same time as owen pointed out you get banned for a multi you can buy back in right! well you can only do that once. in the forms you get warnings or a 24 hr ban that builds up to a 6 month ban. so it not like you lose your pm for that long yes it sucks but punishments are never fun. other wise what would be the point? and no one will ever learn from the mistakes

You are clearly missing the inherent flaw in the current system that the Black Jesus is pointing out.

People who are punished for flaming/baiting/trolling on the forums are punished in ways that affect the game. People who are punished for cheating the game, are allowed to buy back and play as if nothing happened.

As a user of this website, I'd rather the harsher penalties be reserved for those who cheat the game play, not the forums.

EXACTLY!!! posting in the forums is not the same as sending someone a PM. if you can not send/receive PM's you can not participate in things like TOURNAMENTS and before the recent changes you were unable to send/receive game invites (thank goodness that has changed). what does a forum ban have to do with playing in a tournament? nothing, so why should it affect it? what does my sending jbrettlip a PM to start up some games or some ideas about what to do in a game have anything to do with posting in the forums? nothing, so why should it affect it?

if a member is busted for PM abuse, i can understand having their PM capabilities taken away. but if a member is banned from the forum, what does the ability to send/receive PM's have to do with it? a forum ban isn't to keep you from contacting other members. if it were, you would not be able to post in live chat. one has nothing to do with the either and it should be resolved. again, busted multis are able to buy right back in after breaking the NUMBER ONE RULE OF THE SITE and they receive full rights and privileges to play as many games as they like, etc... a busted multi adversely affects the entire site and screws the scoreboard, not to mention the untold number of games he/she may be in that are then screwed and the members that lose points because of it...

a person that finally gets a forum ban is banned from a area that less than 3% of CC ever visits!!! of that 3% i doubt more than 1.5% have ever seen or read the offending members post!!! but somehow a forum banned user is treated more harshly than a busted multi. PM's have nothing to do with the forums, and a forum ban should not affect a members ability to enjoy the gaming aspects of the site.-the black jesus

owenshooter wrote:

Bones2484 wrote:

targetman377 wrote:at the same time as owen pointed out you get banned for a multi you can buy back in right! well you can only do that once. in the forms you get warnings or a 24 hr ban that builds up to a 6 month ban. so it not like you lose your pm for that long yes it sucks but punishments are never fun. other wise what would be the point? and no one will ever learn from the mistakes

You are clearly missing the inherent flaw in the current system that the Black Jesus is pointing out.

People who are punished for flaming/baiting/trolling on the forums are punished in ways that affect the game. People who are punished for cheating the game, are allowed to buy back and play as if nothing happened.

As a user of this website, I'd rather the harsher penalties be reserved for those who cheat the game play, not the forums.

EXACTLY!!! posting in the forums is not the same as sending someone a PM. if you can not send/receive PM's you can not participate in things like TOURNAMENTS and before the recent changes you were unable to send/receive game invites (thank goodness that has changed). what does a forum ban have to do with playing in a tournament? nothing, so why should it affect it? what does my sending jbrettlip a PM to start up some games or some ideas about what to do in a game have anything to do with posting in the forums? nothing, so why should it affect it?

if a member is busted for PM abuse, i can understand having their PM capabilities taken away. but if a member is banned from the forum, what does the ability to send/receive PM's have to do with it? a forum ban isn't to keep you from contacting other members. if it were, you would not be able to post in live chat. one has nothing to do with the either and it should be resolved. again, busted multis are able to buy right back in after breaking the NUMBER ONE RULE OF THE SITE and they receive full rights and privileges to play as many games as they like, etc... a busted multi adversely affects the entire site and screws the scoreboard, not to mention the untold number of games he/she may be in that are then screwed and the members that lose points because of it...

a person that finally gets a forum ban is banned from a area that less than 3% of CC ever visits!!! of that 3% i doubt more than 1.5% have ever seen or read the offending members post!!! but somehow a forum banned user is treated more harshly than a busted multi. PM's have nothing to do with the forums, and a forum ban should not affect a members ability to enjoy the gaming aspects of the site.-the black jesus

you guys completely missed my point i know what owen is saying. You can only buy back ONCE! on top of that you do not get a reminder if you are a multi! and you have to pay money! The form ban is not that harsh. they give you warnings then they give you a 24 hr ban that can not mess up your games that much. honestly then after you keep doing it the form bans get longer! And as you guys say only 3 % of the cc people go to the forms so then who cares if you are banned? well? its not like you have to re pay in order to talk on the forms it just takes some time.

and everyone knows what a form ban includes pm ban so you should know what to except and if you do get a 6 month ban u knew u were doing things wrong and don't say you don't.

lol some people get a ban straight away depends how serious it is

It was already discussed. If there wasn't some epic change while I was absent...

...You have a ZERO chance to hear something like "well, maybe we should allow PMs" from the mouth of any CC official. So discuss, but don't hope

However, comparison with multis is flawed. Not every multi is allowed to repay (I''m convinced, though not 210% sure...).

and everyone knows what a form ban includes pm ban so you should know what to except and if you do get a 6 month ban u knew u were doing things wrong and don't say you don't.VOTE AUTO/TARGET in 12
targetman377
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Its look that you miss point here,i can not understand how connection have PM with forum ban. Someon with more brain need to explane to me, what its purpose of PM ban, what mods want to achive with PM ban,what its logical explanation of PM ban. These is completly two diferent things, but you automaticaly be punish for bouth. I can understand if someon from mods say " We are sorry,but present system can not split Forum Ban from PM ban, but we have atention to fix these problem" , but they dont give any explanation.
Like i say in previous post,if people want to change something they will change. Its look that these only can change,if one day for mods come people who experience ban, and who knows that Forum ban connected with PM ban,its not right decision, and maybe then will try to change these mistake.

qwert wrote:Someon with more brain need to explane to me, what its purpose of PM ban, what mods want to achive with PM ban,what its logical explanation of PM ban.

I don't pretend to have more brain than you, but:
"Government" has more leverage this way. Forum ban is simply far more dreadful if includes PM ban. "You are disturbed in your playing activity without PM service? Well, you should behave..."
Bottom line:
Maybe some people will try harder to avoid forum ban if they want their PM service to be functional...

eddie2 wrote:lol some people get a ban straight away depends how serious it is

well thats bs

no one is out right banned without a warning first

lord voldemort wrote:

eddie2 wrote:lol some people get a ban straight away depends how serious it is

well thats bs

no one is out right banned without a warning first

so if a player in cc and goes round all threads calling people m/f"""k"rs or posting pornographic things in a threads. or literally has a good old time abusing everybody in the forums while a mod isnt online you are saying that you would not issue a forum ban.

ps plz have a look at my ban because i cann't remember getting an offical warning and came on to find a ban for calling a player a d/h""d.

my guess would be that member would be a multi or an already established troll that would be due a ban anyway.
And yes eddie you received your warning just like everyone else.
In some cases people even get 2 warnings...believe it or not us moderators dont get our kicks from following you guys around and banning you.
Well i dont...I'd rather be playing some more games