Conquer Club

I have been on this site for too long for this to happen. I have been "watching" my dice and how they come about, and I dont need any "program" to record my dice streaks. But this has gone on long enough.

I watch my dice become victimized to "random" rolls in every game of recent. My most recent games have been team games where my partners and myself have been victimized. Now, I play a speed game and reach a point where i am refreshing a point where the opponent is 80 to my 58, and he comes away with 50+ troops.

Game 7967704

Really?!?!?!

I have never come forward with complaining before and have had my share of poor dice. I even reached a point when i had to roll them myself just to see the "what if" moment. But this is just absurd. There is something wrong with the program. Plain and simple! The odds of rolling something like that are nearly impossible. If something isnt corrected, then I may be forced to leave permanently. There is no fun in running into any "streaks" on this site, let alone who wins and loses.

It is obvious to me there are existant dice threads and they dont discriminate against any rolls....so therefore they "balance" out the entire site. For me to hit a point where the odds of something like this happening happens more often than not, means the "threads" are out of line. My goodness, that would also mean there arent "random" threads that exist. They are "balanced" threads and it causes the program to run "normally" because everything is 50/50 right?

Either do something about it or lose another supporter of CC.

Moved for obvious reasons.

i think it was in the right place.....give me a good reason this shouldnt be in the "cheating and abuse" reports......should CC not look into this?

Evil Semp wrote:Moved for obvious reasons.

Thread manipulation?

jackal31 wrote:i think it was in the right place.....give me a good reason this shouldnt be in the "cheating and abuse" reports......should CC not look into this?

Because it was a test of the emergency thread movement system. It was only a test. If it had been a real emergency the thread would have been locked. I repeat this was only a test.

dont be an _-_-_-_-_-_-_! I know having 5k people who pay for the site pays your salary, but if the site goes out of business then who is going to pay?

Show a little bit of respect would ya!

Evil Semp wrote:

jackal31 wrote:i think it was in the right place.....give me a good reason this shouldnt be in the "cheating and abuse" reports......should CC not look into this?

Because it was a test of the emergency thread movement system. It was only a test. If it had been a real emergency the thread would have been locked. I repeat this was only a test.

Ok. This is funny as hell. LMAO!!!!!!!

Hey jackal. ES isn't paid. He is a volunteer. One of the good ones.

look, i look at these type of threads on a daily basis......and i ask myself the same questions.....but this time it has crossed the line. Am I the 1:1,000,000,000 person who actually reached this point? Just by chance? And now much is chance? I thought everyone was going crazy, and I also thought that the people who complained were the same ones that were "balancing" out the dice. If I am one of those people, then so be it, but I am telling you this should never come to surface. I play a strategy to a tee and get screwed by the dice time and time again. I have lost my last few games because of the same reasons. So yes, i am pretty pissed off. When you play the same strat and it has been 90% successful in the past, then it should continue to work and not have the "balance" take place.

It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

Evil Semp wrote:It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

hmmm.....I dont think I titled this as a "dice bitch" thread......I think i titled this as a ".....cheated...." thread.....thus makes it a different topic.

This is now in a place that the complaint wont get looked at. Should I send in an e-ticket?

jackal31 wrote:look, i look at these type of threads on a daily basis......and i ask myself the same questions.....but this time it has crossed the line. Am I the 1:1,000,000,000 person who actually reached this point? Just by chance? And now much is chance? I thought everyone was going crazy, and I also thought that the people who complained were the same ones that were "balancing" out the dice. If I am one of those people, then so be it, but I am telling you this should never come to surface. I play a strategy to a tee and get screwed by the dice time and time again. I have lost my last few games because of the same reasons. So yes, i am pretty pissed off. When you play the same strat and it has been 90% successful in the past, then it should continue to work and not have the "balance" take place.

So are you really trying to say that the only reason that you have a hat and I'm a freaking private is because my dice suck worse than yours? You're really trying to say that skill is not involved on this site? You do yourself a tremendous disservice with this thread. You've got a fucking hat, and you're complaining about dice? Get real. Your dice are tremendous or you wouldn't be wearing that condom-looking thing.

jackal31 wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

hmmm.....I dont think I titled this as a "dice bitch" thread......I think i titled this as a ".....cheated...." thread.....thus makes it a different topic.

This is now in a place that the complaint wont get looked at. Should I send in an e-ticket?

Don't bother .. I will join you in your decision to leave this site as a paying member for good as soon as my premium ends on 2011-02-06 11:39:38. Few months to go but hey at last it will be over. And hopefully more people join this trend ..

I couldn't agree more with your good points made and I am just as frustrated as you on the god damned dice engine and the asshole who created such a piece of shit that takes the fun out of the game.

hondacbr wrote:

jackal31 wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

hmmm.....I dont think I titled this as a "dice bitch" thread......I think i titled this as a ".....cheated...." thread.....thus makes it a different topic.

This is now in a place that the complaint wont get looked at. Should I send in an e-ticket?

Don't bother .. I will join you in your decision to leave this site as a paying member for good as soon as my premium ends on 2011-02-06 11:39:38. Few months to go but hey at last it will be over. And hopefully more people join this trend ..

I couldn't agree more with your good points made and I am just as frustrated as you on the god damned dice engine and the asshole who created such a piece of shit that takes the fun out of the game.

If everyone is getting such crappy dice...who are the ones getting the great dice? I mean...seriously, how is this possible? If a player is getting crappy dice, then someone MUST be getting great dice. It's essentially a requirement. But hey, nobody needs to use the dice analyzer or anything, because they've got their own personal observations as proof! Those couldn't possibly be biased by human perception.

Woodruff wrote:

hondacbr wrote:

jackal31 wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

hmmm.....I dont think I titled this as a "dice bitch" thread......I think i titled this as a ".....cheated...." thread.....thus makes it a different topic.

This is now in a place that the complaint wont get looked at. Should I send in an e-ticket?

Don't bother .. I will join you in your decision to leave this site as a paying member for good as soon as my premium ends on 2011-02-06 11:39:38. Few months to go but hey at last it will be over. And hopefully more people join this trend ..

I couldn't agree more with your good points made and I am just as frustrated as you on the god damned dice engine and the asshole who created such a piece of shit that takes the fun out of the game.

If everyone is getting such crappy dice...who are the ones getting the great dice? I mean...seriously, how is this possible? If a player is getting crappy dice, then someone MUST be getting great dice. It's essentially a requirement. But hey, nobody needs to use the dice analyzer or anything, because they've got their own personal observations as proof! Those couldn't possibly be biased by human perception.

well, why should they? And yes, I have my "hat", which was an eagle only just 400 points and less than 15 games ago. Now, I cannot speak on behalf of your dice, but I would say the "streaks" I have had are not the same as yours since you are still a "condom"-owning man.

Look, I like your insight in all your posts Woodruff, but this is one that you have not made much sense. And yes, someone MUST be getting great dice as i mentioned, because that is the 50/50ness that is taking place. But the "threads" are "random" so who knows who will land on what. That is what it is about right?

I am not complaining about losing my eagle, or my hat, or my rank, ....... I am talking about losing my ass on a great strategy on being dice screwed. In another game, I have lost over 15+ troops against single defenders in a matter of 3 rounds due to the dice "randomness." So dont give me the crap about how the all eventually balance out. I should be a private if that was the case!

jackal31 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

hondacbr wrote:

jackal31 wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

hmmm.....I dont think I titled this as a "dice bitch" thread......I think i titled this as a ".....cheated...." thread.....thus makes it a different topic.

This is now in a place that the complaint wont get looked at. Should I send in an e-ticket?

Don't bother .. I will join you in your decision to leave this site as a paying member for good as soon as my premium ends on 2011-02-06 11:39:38. Few months to go but hey at last it will be over. And hopefully more people join this trend ..

I couldn't agree more with your good points made and I am just as frustrated as you on the god damned dice engine and the asshole who created such a piece of shit that takes the fun out of the game.

If everyone is getting such crappy dice...who are the ones getting the great dice? I mean...seriously, how is this possible? If a player is getting crappy dice, then someone MUST be getting great dice. It's essentially a requirement. But hey, nobody needs to use the dice analyzer or anything, because they've got their own personal observations as proof! Those couldn't possibly be biased by human perception.

well, why should they? And yes, I have my "hat", which was an eagle only just 400 points and less than 15 games ago. Now, I cannot speak on behalf of your dice, but I would say the "streaks" I have had are not the same as yours since you are still a "condom"-owning man.

You seem to have misunderstood my rank. Or you wear some very odd condoms.

As to the streaks, yes I clearly do NOT have the same sort of streaks as you do...because if our streaks were the same, I might have a bit higher rank and you might have a bit lower rank. You see, we are two at the opposite ends of the spectrum, rank-wise...logically, it would seem that someone at my rank might have a bit of an issue with the dice, since I clearly don't do so well. Yet, I recognize quite logically that my dice are no worse than anyone else's dice on this site (nor certainly any better). I suppose it is my perspective in that regard that makes me wonder why someone at a rank such as yours would find the dice to be so abhorrently unreasonable. It seems frankly...like an only child complaining that he doesn't get ALL the toys because his mom makes him share once in a while.

jackal31 wrote:Look, I like your insight in all your posts Woodruff, but this is one that you have not made much sense. And yes, someone MUST be getting great dice as i mentioned, because that is the 50/50ness that is taking place. But the "threads" are "random" so who knows who will land on what. That is what it is about right?

Yes....that's what random is about. So now I'm confused...are you complaining because the dice are random? Because there is some level of...dare I say it..."risk" to making a particular move? It seems to me that you are.

jackal31 wrote:I am not complaining about losing my eagle, or my hat, or my rank, ....... I am talking about losing my ass on a great strategy on being dice screwed.

But that happens to all of us. Because the dice behave the way they should. That's my point. You've still got a tremendous rank, which clearly shows that your dice quite simply can't be THAT bad.

jackal31 wrote:In another game, I have lost over 15+ troops against single defenders in a matter of 3 rounds due to the dice "randomness." So dont give me the crap about how the all eventually balance out. I should be a private if that was the case!

You're complaining about losing 15+ troops against single defenders and yet...If the dice balanced out, you'd be a private? That doesn't seem to follow logically, never mind that you also seem to be explicitly stating that you're a crappy player. Is that really what you meant to say?

hondacbr wrote:

jackal31 wrote:

Evil Semp wrote:It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

hmmm.....I dont think I titled this as a "dice bitch" thread......I think i titled this as a ".....cheated...." thread.....thus makes it a different topic.

This is now in a place that the complaint wont get looked at. Should I send in an e-ticket?

Don't bother .. I will join you in your decision to leave this site as a paying member for good as soon as my premium ends on 2011-02-06 11:39:38. Few months to go but hey at last it will be over. And hopefully more people join this trend ..

I couldn't agree more with your good points made and I am just as frustrated as you on the god damned dice engine and the asshole who created such a piece of shit that takes the fun out of the game.

I understand people's frustration but few will ever admit they have had extremely good dice. They feel that they are due those good rolls and the reason they won that game was because the out strategized their opponent not because they got lucky with dice. If someone loses, it's never because they had a lesser strategy it's because the dice screwed them.

I realize sometimes it sucks and I have plenty of games where i say "0-4 again" but I never talk about the 1v1 roll I take and win even though I actually have less than a 42% chance of getting it. (36 possible combinations, attacker wins 15; defender wins 21).

As far as I'm concerned about you guys leaving CC because you feel the site is cheating you and noone else, go for it. I don't know why you think CC would program defensive dice to be stronger then attacking, that is just asinine in my opinion. If you only had horrible dice against the bigger names on the site, then maybe you would have a valid complaint but if you have such horrible dice against everyone, I promise it isn't the site out to get you. And if there is one less person that I have to play against and listen to them bitch about dice during the whole game, that is fine by me. Plenty of other opponents out there to replace you. Go play solitaire and whine about how the cards are stacked against you.

jackal31 wrote:80 to my 58, and he comes away with 50+ troops.

2% chance, get over it

Woodruff wrote:You seem to have misunderstood my rank. Or you wear some very odd condoms.

You're right.....I misinterpreted what you originally said....but that still makes you a lesser condom owning participant.

Woodruff wrote:As to the streaks, yes I clearly do NOT have the same sort of streaks as you do...because if our streaks were the same, I might have a bit higher rank and you might have a bit lower rank. You see, we are two at the opposite ends of the spectrum, rank-wise...logically, it would seem that someone at my rank might have a bit of an issue with the dice, since I clearly don't do so well. Yet, I recognize quite logically that my dice are no worse than anyone else's dice on this site (nor certainly any better). I suppose it is my perspective in that regard that makes me wonder why someone at a rank such as yours would find the dice to be so abhorrently unreasonable. It seems frankly...like an only child complaining that he doesn't get ALL the toys because his mom makes him share once in a while.

well, I think i share a whole lot more than what you might think. I have had my "fair" share of poor dice. I didnt publicly complain about this for no reason at all. I found this to be a repetitive occurance. As I stated, I dont care about my rank as I play lower ranks without prejudice. So I may win some or lose some, but the dice depend on how much i win or lose. Just as any RISK game, but see below for more on this.

Woodruff wrote:

jackal31 wrote:Look, I like your insight in all your posts Woodruff, but this is one that you have not made much sense. And yes, someone MUST be getting great dice as i mentioned, because that is the 50/50ness that is taking place. But the "threads" are "random" so who knows who will land on what. That is what it is about right?

Yes....that's what random is about. So now I'm confused...are you complaining because the dice are random? Because there is some level of...dare I say it..."risk" to making a particular move? It seems to me that you are.

Well, when you are 'attacking with a stack and the last thing on your mind is worrying about how many men you have to have to 'complete the deal', then yes, ending up with less than the attacking stack should never come into question. This makes the attacker second guess the "attackers" advantage and the overall chance of taking "advantage" of said smaller stack. This affects the strategy as a whole.

Woodruff wrote:

jackal31 wrote:I am not complaining about losing my eagle, or my hat, or my rank, ....... I am talking about losing my ass on a great strategy on being dice screwed.

But that happens to all of us. Because the dice behave the way they should. That's my point. You've still got a tremendous rank, which clearly shows that your dice quite simply can't be THAT bad.

NO....what it shows is that in most cases my strategy is very good to have such a great rank. So when the dice dont "work out", then my rank goes down!

Woodruff wrote:

jackal31 wrote:In another game, I have lost over 15+ troops against single defenders in a matter of 3 rounds due to the dice "randomness." So dont give me the crap about how they all eventually balance out. I should be a private if that was the case!

You're complaining about losing 15+ troops against single defenders and yet...If the dice balanced out, you'd be a private? That doesn't seem to follow logically, never mind that you also seem to be explicitly stating that you're a crappy player. Is that really what you meant to say?

Well, if I was a "crappy player", then I dont think I would have much to complain about. That is why many come on here to complain about dice right? Lemme give it to you like this: Obviously, if I am swinging at pitches out of the strike zone, and those same pitches are called strikes, then the game is skewed right? So either I get called out on strikes, or I strike out or (hit the ball poorly to) cause an easy out based off the judges (umpires) discretion.

Also, the dice advantage of 3v1 in this case should have a much greater advantage than those of anything less. So to have lost 15+ troops to a single army is absolutely absurd. Even if were we to divide it by 3 rounds.

Are you to argue that if you had a stack of 20v1v1v1v1, that you should not to expect to win because your odds are not good enough? That is essentially what happened here. You lose 5 troops per turn and end up losing the battle. That is what determines the dice right? So why should I keep attacking even with the dice odds? Or for that matter, why should I keep attacking at all? Maybe I should just play defense in all of my games and become conquerer. That makes sense too right?

Army of GOD wrote:

jackal31 wrote:80 to my 58, and he comes away with 50+ troops.

2% chance, get over it

3.23125%, but who's counting?

Shush! I did 80 vs. 60...

jackal31 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:You seem to have misunderstood my rank. Or you wear some very odd condoms.

You're right.....I misinterpreted what you originally said....but that still makes you a lesser condom owning participant.

Uh...no...I don't have a condom-hat. I've never been anywhere remotely close to having a condom-hat. I actually don't even know what you're referring to here, because it's clearly not what I'm referring to.

jackal31 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

jackal31 wrote:I am not complaining about losing my eagle, or my hat, or my rank, ....... I am talking about losing my ass on a great strategy on being dice screwed.

But that happens to all of us. Because the dice behave the way they should. That's my point. You've still got a tremendous rank, which clearly shows that your dice quite simply can't be THAT bad.

NO....what it shows is that in most cases my strategy is very good to have such a great rank. So when the dice dont "work out", then my rank goes down!

Ah yes, of course! When you win, it is because your strategy is very good and when you lose, it is because of the dice. Your strategies are so superior that it's just beyond the pale that you could lose for a reason other than the dice and it's beyond the pale that you could possibly win because YOU GOT GOOD DICE. As I said way back early in this thread...get the dice analyzer and use it instead of your general recollection, and you'll amazingly find that the dice you get simply aren't that consistently bad because you WOULD NOT have the rank that you do if they were. It would not be possible.

jackal31 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

jackal31 wrote:In another game, I have lost over 15+ troops against single defenders in a matter of 3 rounds due to the dice "randomness." So dont give me the crap about how they all eventually balance out. I should be a private if that was the case!

You're complaining about losing 15+ troops against single defenders and yet...If the dice balanced out, you'd be a private? That doesn't seem to follow logically, never mind that you also seem to be explicitly stating that you're a crappy player. Is that really what you meant to say?

Well, if I was a "crappy player", then I dont think I would have much to complain about.

The dice will be crappy whether you're a good player or not. Strategy doesn't come into play when you hit that "attack" button. But aside from that, you said that if the dice balanced out, you'd be a private...which tells me that you believe your strategic skills are those of a private. That doesn't seem to jive with your earlier statement that your high rank is due to your strategic abilities.

jackal31 wrote:That is why many come on here to complain about dice right?

No, not really. So many come on here to complain about the dice because they have no capability for self-reflection, perspective, objectivity or an understanding of basic statistics.

jackal31 wrote:Lemme give it to you like this: Obviously, if I am swinging at pitches out of the strike zone, and those same pitches are called strikes, then the game is skewed right? So either I get called out on strikes, or I strike out or (hit the ball poorly to) cause an easy out based off the judges (umpires) discretion.

So are you claiming that the non-strike pitches are being called strikes for you but balls for others? Because if you're NOT claiming that, then you admit that there is no difference between the strikes you get and the strikes everyone else gets. And if you ARE claiming that, then I would have to ask you why the game would be set up to work against you...does lack have a reason to hate you enough to set up the dice to work against you? Does he have reason to love me enough to make sure I don't get these awful dice that you do (since I recognize that the dice aren't out to get me)?

jackal31 wrote:Also, the dice advantage of 3v1 in this case should have a much greater advantage than those of anything less. So to have lost 15+ troops to a single army is absolutely absurd. Even if were we to divide it by 3 rounds.

No it really is not. What you are not taking into account is what "random" means and how that is reflected in the thousands of rolls that take place on this site every day.

jackal31 wrote:Are you to argue that if you had a stack of 20v1v1v1v1, that you should not to expect to win because your odds are not good enough?

Should you EXPECT to win? No, not at all. Should you have a pretty solid reason to believe that you will, sure...absolutely. That would very much be in your favor. But again, given the vast number of dice rolls that happen on this site every day, there are going to be anomalies...and those anomalies will happen FREQUENTLY because of those vast numbers of dice rolls.

jackal31 wrote:That is essentially what happened here. You lose 5 troops per turn and end up losing the battle. That is what determines the dice right? So why should I keep attacking even with the dice odds?

That comes down to personal philosophy, really. But I will tell you this...the attacker dice do have an advantage over the defender dice. It is NOT a huge advantage, nor should it be...that's what makes the game fun.

Let me give you a poker analogy that will help to explain things. Over the course of a single poker hand, the outcome is 99% luck...that is a statistical fact. Any hand can win, even the worst hand of 7-2 offsuit. But over the course of a tournament, and never mind over the course of a year of playing, the outcome tightens way down to the level of around 14% luck (depending on the number of participants in the tournament...I'm speaking of a typical casino-run tournament). Over the year it comes to about 3%. That's why at the end of tournaments, there are so many familiar faces. That's why over the course of a year, professional poker players make money. Because they do play the odds, and they play intelligently using those odds even though in a single hand, those odds don't help them much. That's why you have a condom-hat and I have one damn stripe and yet I can still beat you in any given game.

jackal31 wrote:Or for that matter, why should I keep attacking at all? Maybe I should just play defense in all of my games and become conquerer. That makes sense too right?

That makes zero sense, actually. Though about as much as the rest of what you have said, now that I think on it.

If you don't like it, leave? But I doubt you'll do that, now, will you? Because if you leave you can't aimlessly complain about luck anymore And we wouldn't want that!!!

Ah..someone asked if the dice are tilted against you who's getting all the good dice???,,,, as a commercial concern, it makes sense for CC to have dice in faVOR if bew premiums...to suck them in...there Noobness will make it not so evident for a while as it won't win them too many GAMES BY ITSELF BUT...they will rise and they will re-commit. There must be a level where it stops and retrogrades becoz well-paid psychologists have determined that after x number of games pps are hooked and will play no matter how bad the dice...this continues...up and downup and down until point Zero is reached and someone in a hat says enough is enough...he gets disgruntled and doesn't really care and some (premium) noob gets easy points and rogresses,,,and the beat goes on...and the beat goes on...

DJPatrick wrote:Ah..someone asked if the dice are tilted against you who's getting all the good dice???,,,, as a commercial concern, it makes sense for CC to have dice in faVOR if bew premiums...to suck them in...there Noobness will make it not so evident for a while as it won't win them too many GAMES BY ITSELF BUT...they will rise and they will re-commit. There must be a level where it stops and retrogrades becoz well-paid psychologists have determined that after x number of games pps are hooked and will play no matter how bad the dice...this continues...up and downup and down until point Zero is reached and someone in a hat says enough is enough...he gets disgruntled and doesn't really care and some (premium) noob gets easy points and rogresses,,,and the beat goes on...and the beat goes on...

if i change my avatar, will that fool the psychologists and give me the good dice again

is that why AoG looks different every week

Woodruff wrote:

jackal31 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

jackal31 wrote:I am not complaining about losing my eagle, or my hat, or my rank, ....... I am talking about losing my ass on a great strategy on being dice screwed.

But that happens to all of us. Because the dice behave the way they should. That's my point. You've still got a tremendous rank, which clearly shows that your dice quite simply can't be THAT bad.

NO....what it shows is that in most cases my strategy is very good to have such a great rank. So when the dice dont "work out", then my rank goes down!

Ah yes, of course! When you win, it is because your strategy is very good and when you lose, it is because of the dice. Your strategies are so superior that it's just beyond the pale that you could lose for a reason other than the dice and it's beyond the pale that you could possibly win because YOU GOT GOOD DICE. As I said way back early in this thread...get the dice analyzer and use it instead of your general recollection, and you'll amazingly find that the dice you get simply aren't that consistently bad because you WOULD NOT have the rank that you do if they were. It would not be possible.

Woodruff.....thanks for misunderstanding most of what I said.....I am selecting this in particular to show your ignorance. And yes, I am taking a shot at you because you seem to twist what people say. Just as you twisted the analogy I gave.

I have currently finished a game where the strategy was to take a bonus and push the opponent under 12 terr. Now, when I have 18 and the opponent has 11, the odds of him taking 2 terr with only 3 deployed are slim, but to have him take 3 terr, then take 4 terr, and me lose 10 guys to a defense of 1 all while not having a cash, then there is no strategy to that. So my strategy went out the window because of the "one-sidedness." Again, what are the odds of that happening? (and dont bother giving a numerical calculation, use common sense!)

I never said my strategy ALWAYS brings victory, but when in EVERY game I am facing choices of killing someone and having to second guess a 20v1v1v1v1, thats when its time to hang it up. When I face that in every freaking game because there are "so many people playing and everything must balance eventually," thats when something needs to happen. I should not be the "dice balancer." That just proves there are threads and I have fallen victim to the "balancing" of the dice.

Again, CC probably wont care if I stay or go, but I can tell you, my argument is strong if you actually read it. Dont argue the pettyness of each statement as you seem fit. I dont come here to argue every little dice roll I dont get. I have been a member for nearly 4 years, so I know what to expect out of the dice when they arent "fair" and I have had my fair share of poor dice too. I think that speaks for my experience. But that is no reason to accept the question of attacking 20v1v1v1v1 and not winning because though the odds of it actually happening exist, they just dont happen.