Conquer Club

Congrats to Team CC for their latest example of injustice and totalitarian rule.

Congrats to Team CC for deeming the act of criticizing the pet-projects of certain Team CC members a ban-worthy offense.

Congrats also to everyone who has a negative opinion of something Team CC related... you may get an additional reward in the form of a frivolous 3-month ban.

So I see he was banned for trolling? Who was he trolling? The entire Conquer Club Team? This is just silly.

A certain interpretation of trolling may be this wrote:In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

If anything, he was maybe spamming by posting the same general message six times in the space of sixteen hours.

None of this really matters to me, except the one simple fact which was pointed out by owenshooter. That is, the fact that Conquer Club is offering up a cheap (well, free really, as it costs them sweet stuff all), measly, poor excuse of a reward in the form of 3 months free premium membership, when some individual is putting up $25 of their own damn money. Why so tight-fisted?

How come owenshooter gets banned for this, but eddie2 doesn't get banned for his abusive language directed at BoganGod? Sorry eddie2, but I'm just using you as an example.

So he's banned for three months for a storm in a teacup offense? Why don't you just Foe And Move On?

Please, someone explain this to me.

Are you serious banned for 3 months!?

Mods please reconsider, I greatly enjoy his wit and charm.

natty_dread wrote:Congrats to Team CC for their latest example of injustice and totalitarian rule.

Congrats to Team CC for deeming the act of criticizing the pet-projects of certain Team CC members a ban-worthy offense.

Congrats also to everyone who has a negative opinion of something Team CC related... you may get an additional reward in the form of a frivolous 3-month ban.

What project are we talking about?

Dibbun wrote:Are you serious banned for 3 months!?

Mods please reconsider, I greatly enjoy his wit and charm.

Sadly, yes. I'm deadly serious. I'm a bit bewildered as to the logic behind Team CC.

natty_dread wrote:Congrats to Team CC for deeming the act of criticizing the pet-projects of certain Team CC members a ban-worthy offense

Is that why he was banned? Because he joked about the CC Summer Bash contest?

Would like to see some mod explanation on this one.

Inb4 this topic gets locked for "trolling"...

Yes, a 3 month ban, for basically expressing his opinion in a way that puts Team CC in a bad light...

and he returns...

Dibbun wrote:

natty_dread wrote:Congrats to Team CC for deeming the act of criticizing the pet-projects of certain Team CC members a ban-worthy offense

Is that why he was banned? Because he joked about the CC Summer Bash contest?

Would like to see some mod explanation on this one.

yes it was. In fact the ban referenced those exact posts. COngrats to me for knowing Dibbun is going to get banned for trolling this thread and not following its only rule...

It was his 7th minor offense. Along with "over reporting posts" in which he was called the n-word. There are CC rules and there are Owen rules.

PS Owen Rules!

I still don't think this could be considered a real breach of the rules. It's maybe pushing your luck a little, but these actions do not deserve a three month vacation. It's ridiculously harsh.

I may have my disagreements with his opinions, but that doesn't mean he should be banned. I just wish all explanations for punishments/bannings were written up and posted in the CA forum.

maasman wrote:I may have my disagreements with his opinions, but that doesn't mean he should be banned. I just wish all explanations for punishments/bannings were written up and posted in the CA forum.

That would open a whole can of worms, like seeing how disproportionate the moderation on these forums are.

jbrettlip wrote:

maasman wrote:I may have my disagreements with his opinions, but that doesn't mean he should be banned. I just wish all explanations for punishments/bannings were written up and posted in the CA forum.

That would open a whole can of worms, like seeing how disproportionate the moderation on these forums are.

maasman makes a good point, but jbrettlip makes an equally valid counter. I couldn't agree more that the moderation of these forums are "disproportionate", although I have a stronger word in mind. The consistency and fairness of judgement being passed seems to be almost random at times, with the logic seeming flawed.

The issue for me here is that it doesn't seem fair, especially when compared to the stuff other people are getting away with, and the fact that the particular action which he eventually got banned for was not a "ban-able" offense. It warranted a gentle unofficial smack on the wrist for repeating himself (perhaps also known as spamming boys and girls), and nothing more.

If you are going to ban someone, do it for a proper reason, like *Snowman* and *jonny*. On that note, I'm still waiting for moderator action in regards to the actions of *jonny*.

I think you have to take it in context... by the definition of trolling posted in the OP, the posts need to provoke an emotional response. If owenshooter's comments provoked any emotion, it would be jealousy in how hilarious he is. In his posts he was promoting another premium giveaway contest (and a better one) so I'm not sure if Team CC understands the concept of people being on the same side, and I think that they're really, really overreacting to this.

It does seem something of a police state type of action when Owen is given a ban for stating an opinion. Notwithstanding he did mention it often over 16 hours.

Just to be clear on this. The facts are that cc is giving away a measly 3 months premium like it was some God given gift...furthermore members HAVE have to wear the cc signature (controlling?). To do such a thing does cause some long term members to have a strong view. I have refused to pay premium for some time now as I cannot see why I should support such an oppressive environment as is presently seen by a very poorly performing Moderation crew (with notable exceptions). This is purely my opinion.

The bandits are giving away 12 months premium and it does seem shabby of Andy and his crew to punish Owen for showing them up in a bad light. As has been mentioned there is no real on cost in giving away 3 months premium, there is purely a loss of income. I notice Andy has not shown support for the Bandit initiative....a piss poor performance by him especially.

All in all a pretty rum do by Andy Dufresne and his team.

Fruitcake wrote:It does seem something of a police state type of action when Owen is given a ban for stating an opinion. Notwithstanding he did mention it often over 16 hours.

Just to be clear on this. The facts are that cc is giving away a measly 3 months premium like it was some God given gift...furthermore members HAVE have to wear the cc signature (controlling?). To do such a thing does cause some long term members to have a strong view. I have refused to pay premium for some time now as I cannot see why I should support such an oppressive environment as is presently seen by a very poorly performing Moderation crew (with notable exceptions). This is purely my opinion.

The bandits are giving away 12 months premium and it does seem shabby of Andy and his crew to punish Owen for showing them up in a bad light. As has been mentioned there is no real on cost in giving away 3 months premium, there is purely a loss of income. I notice Andy has not shown support for the Bandit initiative....a piss poor performance by him especially.

All in all a pretty rum do by Andy Dufresne and his team.

They have to wear the avatar in addition to the signature. It's not really a contest it's more of a raffle with a random person who kept the avatar/signature up getting the 3 months premium.

The BPB Premium giveaway actually requires effort and skill where the winner displayed a semblance of talent in his or her knowledge of ROCK and is therefore more worthy of the description of a contest.

I'm glad he got another ban! His posts are at best spamming so I won't miss them ! Also, Natty CC summer bash is hardly a "pet project"! It's as official as a project can be. So I can understand if they didn't want him spamming the thread. And as him posting pretty much equals spamming I'm not surprised nor disappointed that he got a ban!

Gillipig wrote:I'm glad he got another ban! His posts are at best spamming so I won't miss them ! Also, Natty CC summer bash is hardly a "pet project"! It's as official as a project can be. So I can understand if they didn't want him spamming the thread. And as him posting pretty much equals spamming I'm not surprised nor disappointed that he got a ban!

He wasn't banned for spamming though, he was banned for trolling. BPB has acquiesced that they would accept him getting in trouble for spamming (probably a warning or far shorter vacation per the escalating discipline) but per the official definition of trolling, it seems like a reach.

Congratulations to BPB for raging against the machine. Rock on, sweet multi-colored Jesuses.

Congrats to Gillipig for sounding a little foolish, and failing to follow the rules of this thread.

lord voldemort wrote:Congrats to Gillipig for a) not following the only rule of this thread (maybe you should get a ban)
b) being short sighted to not know what the problem is

Yeah because the big problem with CC is that some people who use their freedom of speech to troll/spam aren't allowed to do so! That's why we have fewer players nowadays !
I received a ban 2 years ago. I learned from my mistake Owen should as well!

Vace Cooper just sent me this

Vace Cooper wrote:Subject: General Congratulations

Gillipig wrote:I'm glad he got another ban! His posts are at best spamming so I won't miss them ! Also, Natty CC summer bash is hardly a "pet project"! It's as official as a project can be. So I can understand if they didn't want him spamming the thread. And as him posting pretty much equals spamming I'm not surprised nor disappointed that he got a ban!

he didn't spam, he "trolled" by posting 6 times in 16 hours. it is a joke.
all the posts are on topic, here is his warning.

Hello owenshooter,

Your account has been issued a Forum Ban, which prevents posting in the forum and accessing private messages.

Term of ban: 3 months

Issued by: AndyDufresne

Comment:

Ahoy Owenshooter,

It looks like recently you've engaged in some specific trolling, RE your posts:

• http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=150876&p=3311768#p3311768
  
• http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=151463&p=3311770#p3311770
  
• http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46658&p=3311775#p3311775
  
• http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46658&p=3311938#p3311938
  
• http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46658&p=3312809#p3312809
  
• http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=151463&p=3312819#p3312819

While I know some community members think the majority of your posts are Trolling, I think it is safe to say the above posts, which occurred over a 16 hour span actually are objectively Trolling.

Because of this, you have received your 7th Minor Infraction for Trolling, which results in a 3 Month Forum Vacation. All subsequent Forum Vacations come in the repeated 3 Month Flavor as well.


--Andy


Regards,
The Conquer Club

I think this just further confirms the fairness of banning him! He was being a pain in the ass!!! Call it spamming or trolling if you like but it wasn't just him expressing his opinion!
Oh and by the way congrats to the trees for still standing !

The owenshooter posts from General congratulations have been moved to this thread to prevent hijacking of the General congratulations thread.

Why would you split the thread...the gen congrats thread is about congrats...I want my congrats in that thread.

So exactly why was Owen given this ban?

Well, for the sake of openness let's take a look. he received an email stating:

Ahoy Owenshooter,

It looks like recently you've engaged in some specific trolling, RE your posts:
(the posts are quoted here for sake of brevity. Fc)

Re: *BpB Sig Contest/FREE PREMIUM*
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:49 am

owenshooter wrote:how original... team CC has a contest where you sport a sig with a partner, one premium one freemium (doubling the exposure of the sig)... and if you win the drawing the premium gets a medal and the freemium gets 3 months of premium. how can our rag tag clan give away a year, and cc can only manage 3 months? wow!!!-0

Re: [Free Premium] Share the Warmth Epidemic 2011
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:51 am

owenshooter wrote:wow... how is it that our rag tag clan can give away a free year premium to a freemium, and team CC can only manage 3 months? i applaud you for your efforts (i believe the bandits invented the sig contest concept on CC), but CC needs to step up in the prize dept. it looks bad when a bunch of forum renegades and kick ass players can muster together the funds to give away a year premium, and team cc gives away 3 months... you are better than this team CC!!!-0

p.s.-any freemium interested in a year, click on my sig...

Re: General Congratulations
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:54 am

owenshooter wrote:congrats to the CC entertainment team for copying the bandits with a sig contest and upping the anty with a whole 3 month premium for the winner... oh wait, we always give away a full year!!! way to go team CC!!!-0

Re: General Congratulations
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:06 am

owenshooter wrote:

Crazyirishman wrote:Congrats to the black jesus for forgetting that the CC team has done this for multiple years now, despite their yearning to mimic the BPB

Congrats to the CC entertainment team for making a contest that requires less effort/knowledge for the general populace.

PS- (your contest is still fun El Jesus Negro, nobody is trying to steal your thunder.)

congrats to the wee man for not knowing his CC history and that we have done this contest every year since cc's inception...-0

Re: General Congratulations
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:20 pm

owenshooter wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:Congrats to the Entertainment Team and the Summer Bash.


--Andy

congrats to the summer bash starting almost 2 full months after the start of summer (june 21st)... and congrats to team CC for not ponying up more than 3 months of premium for a contest when clans and individuals have contests going now with a full premium for the prize... step it up CC, you are looking bad...-0

Re: [Free Premium] Share the Warmth Epidemic 2011
Postby owenshooter on Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:27 pm

owenshooter wrote:

samuelc812 wrote:For the record owen, we are giving away a total of 2 years and 3 months in this entire event. We can offer more people prizes by splitting up what we've got, so we can make more people happy. But then again i know i shouldn't be wasting my breath explaining this to you, since by your own admission to me you argue for the sake of argument.

~Sam

hey, all i'm saying is others are giving away a full year, so you kind of look cheap... and not to mention summer started 2 months ago... anyway, knock yourself out!!! have fun!!-0

Andy then goes on to say "I think it is safe to say the above posts, which occurred over a 16 hour span actually are objectively Trolling."...hmmm..are they Andy? I see just 3 independent posts from Owen. He then responded to 3 posts, 2 of which are your team (1 in fact yourself).

Are you or your team going to come back with a rational explanation as to why you chose to shut Owen up because he exercised his right to state an opinion? After all, in the last 3 posts he was responding to something written by some one else. Or are we going to see the usual self righteous remark because some one in Admin/Mods has a thin skin and cannot take criticism. Well here's the thing Andy. The 3 month giveaway does look cheap. it does look as though this site is being cheeseparing and Fagin like in its approach. The Bandits are giving away 12 months and we have no reason to except to engender a spirit of community without asking people to follow our rules of signatures and avatars. This is Owen's beef and to be frank I agree with him wholeheartedly.

Are you now going to threaten me with a ban as I have written about the same subject (criticising you, Andy, and your team) twice in a matter of a couple of hours? Am I allowed just one more post of opinion before you throw me off the forums?

Of all the bans owen has gotten...most of them I could at least see where Team CC were coming from. But this is flat out ridiculous Andy