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This will be part of an article to be featured in the CC Newsletter. I'd like some discussion on the matter, and I will include the best discussion, so here's a chance to get your name in the Newsletter if you make a nice comment

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Red: An Inherent Advantage in Tournament Games?

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Farfetched: that's for the reader, you, to decide! We can't discredit the multitude of factors at play, most obviously the skill of the players and which player takes his turn first.

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• What color do you like to represent in your games? Do you think red, or any one of the colors for that matter, has an advantage, compared to green in 1v1 (and all the other colors in larger games)?

• Or, do you think red is a disadvantage?

• Do you think this 5% difference is significant? And is it actually caused by the prescence of the red? Or do you think this is a faulty cause, "post hoc ergo propter hoc" error, and the color is not the actual reason for the effect?

• I'd love to hear your thoughts, perhaps personal experience, of whether or not you think Red has an influence on players' performances in 1v1 games and 3-8 player games.

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Only if the red player is also a mod.

Seriously?

barackattack wrote:Only if the red player is also a mod.

My rank and points did not increase in any meaningful way when I was a moderator. I suspect that's why most people want to be moderators (because they think they will have an inherent advantage). Similarly, that's why I think most players want to be the red player in games (see above for evidence).

I believe the evidence is clear - red players have the advantage.

natty_dread wrote:Seriously?

You better believe it!

I think you need to analyse a wider range of games before any firm deductions can be made from the data.

MeDeFe wrote:I think you need to analyse a wider range of games before any firm deductions can be made from the data.

Fair enough. Working in it

absolutely not, imo.
being red in standard multiplayer games just raises the probability of being targeted by everyone. that colour is seen earlier than others and alarms people, though not as much as being higher rank. about 1v1s it should be considered who started first and tourney's specific conditions.

MeDeFe wrote:I think you need to analyse a wider range of games before any firm deductions can be made from the data.

Preposterous!

I have heard the argument the "red" wins more games, because that means that the game creator is probably familiar with the game settings they have selected. Hm...


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:I have heard the argument the "red" wins more games, because that means that the game creator is probably familiar with the game settings they have selected. Hm...


--Andy

wtf is this? Logic in general discussion?! Get outta here ya rascal. Scram. giet.

Aradhus wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:I have heard the argument the "red" wins more games, because that means that the game creator is probably familiar with the game settings they have selected. Hm...


--Andy

wtf is this? Logic in general discussion?! Get outta here ya rascal. Scram. giet.

I have also heard the argument that because Red is the color human-blood, uh, Red Players are more bloodthirsty than say their copper blooded counterparts (stinks for you Green Player).


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

Aradhus wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:I have heard the argument the "red" wins more games, because that means that the game creator is probably familiar with the game settings they have selected. Hm...


--Andy

wtf is this? Logic in general discussion?! Get outta here ya rascal. Scram. giet.

I have also heard the argument that because Red is the color human-blood, uh, Red Players are more bloodthirsty than say their copper blooded counterparts (stinks for you Green Player).


--Andy

Thanks Andy. You have to learn to play along here. Clearly the color is more advantageous than any other potential factors.

AndyDufresne wrote:I have heard the argument the "red" wins more games, because that means that the game creator is probably familiar with the game settings they have selected. Hm...


--Andy

Well yes, of course.

But I guess I should have been more clear, I was referring particularly to tournament games, in which both players were placed into their game as red or green. I was referring particularly to games where the players did NOT create the games themselves. Then, of course, players who just farm and create games as the Red player would have a distinguished advantage.

MeDeFe wrote:I think you need to analyse a wider range of games before any firm deductions can be made from the data.

A CC tournament is a pretty small sample size, sure.

But this was a much larger sample:

WorldCup4James wrote:Research has persisted in determining whether or not and to what extent the color a team or person wears influences the opposition. For instance, following the 2004 Summer Olympics, a group of neuroscience investigators conducted a survey of 1,347 teams in an online first-person shooting game, and they discovered that the red team won 54.7% of the games.

I think it should be considered a possibility.

I heard a rumour that there's no black player because Lack is racist.

I prefer red, only because its easier to see on most maps then green is on an iphone's smaller screen

Dukasaur wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:I think you need to analyse a wider range of games before any firm deductions can be made from the data.

A CC tournament is a pretty small sample size, sure.

But this was a much larger sample:

WorldCup4James wrote:Research has persisted in determining whether or not and to what extent the color a team or person wears influences the opposition. For instance, following the 2004 Summer Olympics, a group of neuroscience investigators conducted a survey of 1,347 teams in an online first-person shooting game, and they discovered that the red team won 54.7% of the games.

I think it should be considered a possibility.

Better players tend to choose red?

The FPS players, who are better than most, tend to enjoy playing as, or they more strongly identify with, the color "red." Red can represent "the enemy," or the Russians, or Communism, or simply put, "it looks cooler; blue is for pussies."

The color itself doesn't increase your chances of winning. Joining a team, whose color tends to attract better players, will increase your chances of winning.


I'd like to see the data on "standard" games, i.e. FFAs (free-for-alls).

/serious business

Aradhus wrote:I heard a rumour that there's no black player because Lack is racist.

There's no yellow player either. He hates Asians!

red is usually the color for player 1, so is it the fact that player 1 is red, or is the fact being red that's the cause. or maybe even something else.

it's hard to test.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:I think you need to analyse a wider range of games before any firm deductions can be made from the data.

A CC tournament is a pretty small sample size, sure.

But this was a much larger sample:

WorldCup4James wrote:Research has persisted in determining whether or not and to what extent the color a team or person wears influences the opposition. For instance, following the 2004 Summer Olympics, a group of neuroscience investigators conducted a survey of 1,347 teams in an online first-person shooting game, and they discovered that the red team won 54.7% of the games.

I think it should be considered a possibility.

Better players tend to choose red?

The FPS players, who are better than most, tend to enjoy playing as, or they more strongly identify with, the color "red." Red can represent "the enemy," or the Russians, or Communism, or simply put, "it looks cooler; blue is for pussies."

The color itself doesn't increase your chances of winning. Joining a team, whose color tends to attract better players, will increase your chances of winning.


I'd like to see the data on "standard" games, i.e. FFAs (free-for-alls).

/serious business

That online fps was probably halo (can't be bothered with the link, I already clicked "quote"), in which team colors (red/blue) were randomly distributed (at least when I last played years ago), so I don't know that your statement is accurate (parentheses).

Green should win more than red, since red is at a disadvantage when playing foggy games. Green can go first and play before red takes a snapshot.

Neoteny wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:I think you need to analyse a wider range of games before any firm deductions can be made from the data.

A CC tournament is a pretty small sample size, sure.

But this was a much larger sample:

WorldCup4James wrote:Research has persisted in determining whether or not and to what extent the color a team or person wears influences the opposition. For instance, following the 2004 Summer Olympics, a group of neuroscience investigators conducted a survey of 1,347 teams in an online first-person shooting game, and they discovered that the red team won 54.7% of the games.

I think it should be considered a possibility.

Better players tend to choose red?

The FPS players, who are better than most, tend to enjoy playing as, or they more strongly identify with, the color "red." Red can represent "the enemy," or the Russians, or Communism, or simply put, "it looks cooler; blue is for pussies."

The color itself doesn't increase your chances of winning. Joining a team, whose color tends to attract better players, will increase your chances of winning.


I'd like to see the data on "standard" games, i.e. FFAs (free-for-alls).

/serious business

That online fps was probably halo (can't be bothered with the link, I already clicked "quote"), in which team colors (red/blue) were randomly distributed (at least when I last played years ago), so I don't know that your statement is accurate (parentheses).

I also can't be bothered with the link, so I'll keep pounding my fists on my desks while howling, "NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!!! UR WRONG!!! WRRONNNGG!!!!!"

I don't think anybody was trying to imply that the colour contains some mystical juju. But some psychological factors might be at play. Does seeing a red army on a square irritate the green player, and make him launch more reckless attacks, for instance?

Yes, in dubs games red always has a higher win percentage than green.