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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:43 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:Paying to enter a tournament with a prize isn't gambling. Poker is more gambling than that.

500 stars = 7.35 caff

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[$300 Amazon Gift Certificate] 300

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to buy in for an amount to receive an amount is gambling dude i am pro poker player caff this is gambling in my opinion
7.35 x 128 entries =940.80 total cc club takes in paying out top 12 real cash of 450 ...site rakes in close to 500
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby iAmCaffeine on Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:01 pm

It's gambling in the sense that by paying to enter the tournament you are effectively betting on yourself to win the tournament and therefore receive an interest on the money you put forward. Hosting one recognised tournament in this vein doesn't make Conquer Club a gambling site.
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:04 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:It's gambling in the sense that by paying to enter the tournament you are effectively betting on yourself to win the tournament and therefore receive an interest on the money you put forward. Hosting one recognised tournament in this vein doesn't make Conquer Club a gambling site.



agree to disagree ..be well this holiday season sir!! looking into tourney side some events in there to set up with a by in ect ..if sites profiting on these it kinda has turned that way again just my opinion .... its xmas season so i be nice O:) O:) O:) O:) O:) O:) O:)

not just this event m8
Serious Escalating
Type: Auto
Entry: All comers

[ Conquer Credits] 500 = 7.35 ist place is 2500 credits only thing missing is cash out credits !!!
11/16 Players Joined

Serious Assassin
Type: Auto
Entry: All comers

[ Conquer Credits] 500 7.35 x 16 =117.60 in real cash per event
11/16 Players Joined

there is 2 of the many more

conquer cup is 100 percent gambling as u by in for 7.35 in hopes of cashing out 300 ..
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby Mad777 on Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:31 pm

how can it be gambling when you use virtual credits to enter a tournament that has gift card prize?

credits can be receive from many various reason, not mainly being bought from the store, those who got their credits winning event or other probably didn't spend a dime to enter this annual event.
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:41 pm

Mad777 wrote:how can it be gambling when you use virtual credits to enter a tournament that has gift card prize?

credits can be receive from many various reason, not mainly being bought from the store, those who got their credits winning event or other probably didn't spend a dime to enter this annual event.


mask it any way u wish m8 ...buy in 500 credits =7.35 us dollars ... payout is 450 in real cash via what ever payment method is gambling man ....virtual credits cost members real cash and a payout of real cash is being offered

500 Conquer Credits
$7.35

in fact the close to 500.00 us dollars cc club rakes in on cc cup or the 117.40 in the serious esq and assasin events is considered income and is taxable ...

gambling sites require a license cc club could actually be shut down for this for real ..in 2008 the us federal government shut down all sites as is considered income and us players were removed from all poker sites via tax evasion issues ... for example a us member won the conquer cup they would have to report winnings as in there country its tax able income .....will that happen i doubt it but it could ...again in 2012 all were shut down ,,,

https://www.cardschat.com/f13/pokerstar ... er-196134/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/ ... t-down-fbi

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gamble verb
gam·​ble | \ˈgam-bəl
\
gambled; gambling\ˈgam-​b(ə-​)liŋ
\
Definition of gamble

(Entry 1 of 2)

intransitive verb

1a : to play a game for money or property :?: :?: :?: :?:

b : to bet on an uncertain outcome :?: :?: :?: :?:

2 : to stake something on a contingency (see contingency sense 1) : take a chance

transitive verb

1 : to risk by gambling : wager :?: :?: :?: :?:

2 : venture, hazard

gamble noun

Definition of gamble (Entry 2 of 2)

1a : an act having an element of risk

b : something chancy

2 : the playing of a game of chance for stakes :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

unless site has a gambling license as harm less as it seems they take this very very seriously this event puts site in jeopardy.. one complaint cc club looses banking community to take in annual fees ect

Banking – Virtually all banks require some form of gambling license in order to set up a Bank Account for your business ensuring your business is legally compliant.
Payment Processing – You will not be able to set up merchant accounts and other payment processing accounts to receive payments from customers via bank cards and accounts without some form of license.

then there is the fines associated. that can be upwards of several million ..https://calvinayre.com/2018/11/29/busin ... hit-fines/
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:33 am

zeus111 wrote:
Mad777 wrote:how can it be gambling when you use virtual credits to enter a tournament that has gift card prize?

credits can be receive from many various reason, not mainly being bought from the store, those who got their credits winning event or other probably didn't spend a dime to enter this annual event.


mask it any way u wish m8 ...buy in 500 credits =7.35 us dollars ... payout is 450 in real cash via what ever payment method is gambling man ....virtual credits cost members real cash and a payout of real cash is being offered

500 Conquer Credits
$7.35

in fact the close to 500.00 us dollars cc club rakes in on cc cup or the 117.40 in the serious esq and assasin events is considered income and is taxable ...

gambling sites require a license cc club could actually be shut down for this for real ..in 2008 the us federal government shut down all sites as is considered income and us players were removed from all poker sites via tax evasion issues ... for example a us member won the conquer cup they would have to report winnings as in there country its tax able income .....will that happen i doubt it but it could ...again in 2012 all were shut down ,,,

https://www.cardschat.com/f13/pokerstar ... er-196134/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/ ... t-down-fbi

https://fastoffshore.com/what-we-do/onl ... -services/

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gamble verb
gam·​ble | \ˈgam-bəl
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gambled; gambling\ˈgam-​b(ə-​)liŋ
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Definition of gamble

(Entry 1 of 2)

intransitive verb

1a : to play a game for money or property :?: :?: :?: :?:

b : to bet on an uncertain outcome :?: :?: :?: :?:

2 : to stake something on a contingency (see contingency sense 1) : take a chance

transitive verb

1 : to risk by gambling : wager :?: :?: :?: :?:

2 : venture, hazard

gamble noun

Definition of gamble (Entry 2 of 2)

1a : an act having an element of risk

b : something chancy

2 : the playing of a game of chance for stakes :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

unless site has a gambling license as harm less as it seems they take this very very seriously this event puts site in jeopardy.. one complaint cc club looses banking community to take in annual fees ect

Banking – Virtually all banks require some form of gambling license in order to set up a Bank Account for your business ensuring your business is legally compliant.
Payment Processing – You will not be able to set up merchant accounts and other payment processing accounts to receive payments from customers via bank cards and accounts without some form of license.

then there is the fines associated. that can be upwards of several million ..https://calvinayre.com/2018/11/29/busin ... hit-fines/


Wow you are an idiot.

Wont you just go away?
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:45 pm

its fact jack .....looked into this further site can lose bank and be fined for this ...your an idiot if u cant see this is gambling ....easy a dozen ppl in that field all looked into email i sent keeping the site name and particulars out of email said same ..x roads SITE CAN BE SHUT DOWN fined up to 25000.first offense depending on what country sites operating from ...

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Looking into matter u sent its clearly a gambling event and that site if not in compliance with proper licensing is subject to severe fines loss of banking from all major institutions as well as being temporarily shut off until in compliance with current laws and regulations .

The rules for online gambling are as you know are taken seriously.The tournament in question is with out a doubt a gambling format.I noticed no information was provided regarding the site origin can you provide us the necessary details so i can look into the matter .The use of amazon gift cards for the purpose of generating profit on a non licensed site creates another issue . The fines for operating an illegal gambling site start at 25000 for first offense how ever insignificant the monetary value If deemed gambling is in fact going on .

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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:04 pm

So if I join a 3 on 3 basketball tournament, pay $20 to join, and win the tournament and get a $200 prize, does that make it gambling?
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:25 pm

xroads wrote:So if I join a 3 on 3 basketball tournament, pay $20 to join, and win the tournament and get a $200 prize, does that make it gambling?

ya im the idiot ..is the event online and in violation of several laws ,,,,look bud my focus here is to insure cc club survival nothing more ..just buzz off m8 u just want to name call and spout dribble ...
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:32 pm

Can you link the specific law that would cover this specific event?
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:41 pm

xroads wrote:Can you link the specific law that would cover this specific event?


link is already posted dude 3rd one above ..ill post another if site admin asks me too ...no time for u what so ever ...ill suggest no buy ins of any monetary value both to buy in or cash out ..if site removes cash payouts ill go one step further and pay the remaining empty spots in hope to finally fill this event ..the issue is the format its gambling in its current design to have a buy in and a structured pay out regardless of pay out method is 100 percent gambling .perhaps site has gambling license i dont know ...but i do know its not worth it if they do not .
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:40 pm

I meant a link to an actual law from the US Gov't.

Not links to joe blows online poker world.
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby 2dimes on Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:47 pm

You guys should side bet on wether or not the US government has the balls to do something about it. They wouldn't stand a chance. Conquer Clubs lawyers would make a lot of money if it went to court. Amirite?
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:11 pm

2dimes wrote:You guys should side bet on wether or not the US government has the balls to do something about it. They wouldn't stand a chance. Conquer Clubs lawyers would make a lot of money if it went to court. Amirite?


its not the united states its country of origin that cc club is registered in ..but all countries well majority follow same online gambling laws ...lol on the bet tho ...if a member of cc club reported this site could face real issues ..to set a gambling event up of this nature could cost a lot ..use of amazon gift cards i guess is another issue im told as it circumvents direct payouts to accounts and is in direct conflict ..
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby 2dimes on Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:31 pm

You can run a gambling site in Canada because it's a free country. That used to be where CC was registered. You would just have to pay tax. However you could not allow any citizen from the US&A to gamble or their government will shut you down.

Personally I'd run my gambling site from one of those little countries with much lower tax rates. You would still want to make every effort to ban people from countries that don't allow online gambling.
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:55 pm

xroads wrote:I meant a link to an actual law from the US Gov't.

Not links to joe blows online poker world.

read the links already provided in there u can see the legal issues the states have..below is copied text from law page and as u can see if conquer cup is deemed gambling and no license is in place site can be in chit

What is an Online Gambling Jurisdiction/Licensing Jurisdiction?

There are certain regions in the world that have specific legislation in place that allows them to license and regulate companies that operate online gambling sites or online gaming sites or provide industry services (such as the supply of gaming software).

These regions are referred to as online gambling/gaming jurisdictions or licensing jurisdictions. Within these jurisdictions, there’s usually an organization that’s responsible for issuing licenses and regulating the licensees. These organizations are typically known as licensing authorities.most all countries require a license to operate online more so if gambling is taking place .Sites operating outside the guidelines set forth are subject to fines and punishment set by the countries origin.

All sites require the appropriate licenses according to the country of origin"s current legislation has deemed fit. Gaming sites are not permitted to offer any type of gambling for profit and if are caught doing so are subject to the country of origins laws and penalties.If a resident of the United States of America is gambling on your site you must shut that account down as its in violation with current laws in that country and run the risk of being shut down by the federal bureau of investigations.
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:03 pm

2dimes wrote:You can run a gambling site in Canada because it's a free country. That used to be where CC was registered. You would just have to pay tax. However you could not allow any citizen from the US&A to gamble or their government will shut you down.

Personally I'd run my gambling site from one of those little countries with much lower tax rates. You would still want to make every effort to ban people from countries that don't allow online gambling.

In canada were not taxed on gambling lotto wins or gifts ...the states u sit in casino win tax is deducted right there or if u win lotto 40 percent if not more tax is applied

if site was operating in canada and cc cup is deemed gambling site would get shut down and fined if no gambling license was in place the laws here same as most countries..also gambling sites require a ton of security features to prevent hackers gaming sites are not ect...

just restructure payouts to have no cash value would solve issue
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:39 pm

Well CC is based in California, so again I would like to see a link to an actual American law prohibiting this..

If you cant provide one, shut the f*ck up.
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:46 pm

xroads wrote:Well CC is based in California, so again I would like to see a link to an actual American law prohibiting this..

If you cant provide one, shut the f*ck up.

lmao first off usa has the strictest laws on gambling online of all countries so if that is the case and cc club is in fact operating as a us company no gambling on line what so ever is permitted meat head ...winner if a usa resident would also have to claim winnings .... man u r one p o s

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The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ruled in November 2002[2] that the Federal Wire Act prohibits electronic transmission of information for sports betting across telecommunications lines but affirmed a lower court ruling that the Wire Act "in plain language does prohibit Internet gambling on a game of chance." While some states have specific laws prohibiting online gambling, many countries do not. Additionally, in order for an online gaming company to start, a license from the state is required. The only state to ever issue a license was Nevada, in March 2013.[3]

now once and for all just go play risk leave the brain work to those who have one muppett
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:07 pm

Sorry you are right, I just didnt realize this was sports betting.
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:12 pm

xroads wrote:Sorry you are right, I just didnt realize this was sports betting.


u see me as threat im not ..i want site to remain seen a major issue and spoke out now knowing its a us company is worse the us goverment will go after companies harder then most ...the cc cup is for fun not to get site shut down man ...i have confirmed this is considered gambling threw my connections online and leave it to powers at be to restructure pay outs to cc clubs medal s ..that takes away the gambling aspect here
some us states will prosecute wired fraud amungst all other charges its just not worth it,,its not sports betting but that act covers gambling on line on games of chance ...because the internet is involved i assume . i cant stress this enough if one complaint is filed site gets shut down until matters looked into ..i have seen it happen . if u feel its not gambling i assure you that it is ..a buy in a structured pay out with real money or property is no question a gambling event

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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby Elaterate on Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:58 pm

I don't know the ins and outs of the laws but I do know gambling laws are pretty strict whether it's online or not.... but by this logic wouldn't Bingo Halls across America that run a "family night" need to be shut down? The parents have to be there, have to spend money on the KIDS to play, and the kids can and do win prizes they take home.... so even if they won a basketball or a yo-yo it has some sort of cash value right? And wouldn't that be illegal since gambling isn't allowed damn near anywhere to anyone under 18?

I haven't even been on this site for a year yet but this debate seems a little silly because if there WAS anything wrong with what they are doing I don't see how one or more disgruntled players that lost in past Conquer Cup tournaments or any tournament with a "buy-in" haven't complained to the proper channels in an effort to get CC in trouble.

If CC gets shut down over this I am picketing Bingo Halls damn it!!! ;)
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby zeus111 on Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:15 pm

Elaterate wrote:I don't know the ins and outs of the laws but I do know gambling laws are pretty strict whether it's online or not.... but by this logic wouldn't Bingo Halls across America that run a "family night" need to be shut down? The parents have to be there, have to spend money on the KIDS to play, and the kids can and do win prizes they take home.... so even if they won a basketball or a yo-yo it has some sort of cash value right? And wouldn't that be illegal since gambling isn't allowed damn near anywhere to anyone under 18?

I haven't even been on this site for a year yet but this debate seems a little silly because if there WAS anything wrong with what they are doing I don't see how one or more disgruntled players that lost in past Conquer Cup tournaments or any tournament with a "buy-in" haven't complained to the proper channels in an effort to get CC in trouble.

If CC gets shut down over this I am picketing Bingo Halls damn it!!! ;)


i cant speak to bingo in the usa but can to online gaming ..the usa does not mess around is all i can tell u .its main reason is tax evasion and can tell u use of wire meaning internet issues are delt with very harshly .sad is that is m8 ..i doubt any member here plays for cash and really this is easily fixed ,,but in current design this tournament is breaking at least 4 major laws i can see ..operating a gaming site offering gambling events with no license 2 allowing usa members to gamble on line 3 miss use of wire meaning wire fraud ,,4 not having proven fail safes to secure data that gambling site must adhere too ..in the usa fines of 25000 for no license fine for allowing usa residents to gamble vary but are stiff ..wire fraud is big one like easy 250000 to answer question on past its simple they did not know or wouldnt risk site over an event that generates 940 bucks
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Re: Lets start the Conquer Cup

Postby xroads on Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:32 pm

Still waiting for the actual law that says prizes in a contest is against USA law
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