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mrswdk wrote:Escape from Auschwitz map NOW.
loutil wrote:mrswdk wrote:Escape from Auschwitz map NOW.
loutil wrote:Wow....this crap has found its way into here as well. History is history. The good and the bad. Hiding it will not change it. The slave trade is part of the history of colonial Jamaica. The Royal Africa Company used Jamaica as its primary market and it became the center of the West Indies slave trade. History is a historical record. I am not sure how that offends anyone unless they wish to find a way to be offended.
We can agree slavery is horrid and does not belong anywhere in a civilized society. But, we get to that point because our history has taught us that.
Dukasaur wrote:mrswdk wrote:I never get why maps are treated as some sort of sacred relic never to be touched unless the person who originally designed it says okay, even if that person fucked off from CC years ago.
It's called intellectual property rights. It's one of the basic underpinnings of civilization.
Dukasaur wrote:mrswdk wrote:Dukasaur wrote:mrswdk wrote:I never get why maps are treated as some sort of sacred relic never to be touched unless the person who originally designed it says okay, even if that person fucked off from CC years ago.
It's called intellectual property rights. It's one of the basic underpinnings of civilization.
Oh I see. CC has been short-sighted enough to allow its entire map database to be legally owned by a disparate collection of individuals without any guarantee that those individuals would remain actively engaged in maintaining their sections of that database? Somehow I am not surprised.
Actually, it's not LEGAL ownership. Legal ownership resides with CC. It's MORAL ownership. CC grants the creators of an artistic work the sole discretion as to whether that work can be modified or not. CC is the rarest of all beasts nowadays, an entity that respects the rights of its contributors without needing to be bludgeoned with legal injunctions.
jusplay4fun wrote:Well said.loutil wrote:Wow....this crap has found its way into here as well. History is history. The good and the bad. Hiding it will not change it. The slave trade is part of the history of colonial Jamaica. The Royal Africa Company used Jamaica as its primary market and it became the center of the West Indies slave trade. History is a historical record. I am not sure how that offends anyone unless they wish to find a way to be offended.
We can agree slavery is horrid and does not belong anywhere in a civilized society. But, we get to that point because our history has taught us that.
badrandall wrote:Hi Conquer Club Community,
I'd like to propose that the Jamaica Board be changed. I think it is distasteful that the Board has players enslave people. It's ugly and disrespectful of the broader Conquer Club Community.
Thoughts?
BadRandall
loutil wrote:Wow....this crap has found its way into here as well. History is history. The good and the bad. Hiding it will not change it.
Dukasaur wrote:Actually, it's not LEGAL ownership. Legal ownership resides with CC. It's MORAL ownership. CC grants the creators of an artistic work the sole discretion as to whether that work can be modified or not. CC is the rarest of all beasts nowadays, an entity that respects the rights of its contributors without needing to be bludgeoned with legal injunctions.
ConfederateSS wrote:--------------So you have been here in C.C.Land since 2006...But all of a sudden in 2020...find the map ugly and disrespectful... please spare us your thoughts...Get off the "commie pinko"LEFT mumbo jumbo band wagon's ATTACK ON All HISTORY.of today's liberal society... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ....
Kotaro wrote:So if people use Swastikas on their maps, or put an image of Totenkopf as their avatars, this should be scrubbed from the site and the users in question should be banned. But if someone depicts slavery in their map, this is just history and we should get over it?
Are you actually trying to protect history, or are you simply trying to have people get over it because it's part of your nationality's history? Is slavery something that will be forgotten by you users if we wipe it off the Jamacian map, or is it simply a reminder that people out there consider themselves superior enough to own others?
Extreme Ways wrote:I mind them even less when we're using swastikas in the context of hinduism.
mrswdk wrote:Extreme Ways wrote:I mind them even less when we're using swastikas in the context of hinduism.
lol, surely that's 'I don't mind them at all'? They are still actively and primarily used as a religious symbol all over Asia.
They're not specific to Hinduism btw, they are also present in Buddhism, Jainism and Zoroastrianism.
Kotaro wrote:
overrules the rights of its members to not be offended by their content?not surprising. .
mrswdk wrote:How brave, a white guy living in the US is strong enough to choose not to be upset by all the discrimination he experiences in his day-to-day life.
loutil wrote:Wow....this crap has found its way into here as well. History is history. The good and the bad. Hiding it will not change it. The slave trade is part of the history of colonial Jamaica. The Royal Africa Company used Jamaica as its primary market and it became the center of the West Indies slave trade. History is a historical record. I am not sure how that offends anyone unless they wish to find a way to be offended.
We can agree slavery is horrid and does not belong anywhere in a civilized society. But, we get to that point because our history has taught us that.
loutil wrote:mrswdk wrote:How brave, a white guy living in the US is strong enough to choose not to be upset by all the discrimination he experiences in his day-to-day life.
LOL...that is a big leap from being offended by iconography to actual discrimination in life.
mrswdk wrote:Sounds like we are all agreed to rename the 'Jamaica' map to 'Colonial Jamaica'.
Extreme Ways wrote:mrswdk wrote:Sounds like we are all agreed to rename the 'Jamaica' map to 'Colonial Jamaica'.
Honestly, would be a good change. It's not out of place in maps like 1914 Europe, Napo Europe, FNA, 1883 Transsib etc. I dont think such a change is required but if the map were to be designed now I'd certainly propose the change.
mrswdk wrote:Sounds like we are all agreed to rename the 'Jamaica' map to 'Colonial Jamaica'.
mrswdk wrote:loutil wrote:mrswdk wrote:How brave, a white guy living in the US is strong enough to choose not to be upset by all the discrimination he experiences in his day-to-day life.
LOL...that is a big leap from being offended by iconography to actual discrimination in life.
You're the one who made the leap, banging on about how you choose to never get offended by anything. Which in the context of this thread is a very easy choice to make when you've never had to deal with a constant background noise of people making offensive remarks about you.
mrswdk wrote:
But it seems pretty obvious by this point that a majority of people in this thread are saying the Jamaica map in its current form is inappropriate and ought to change, minus a bit of a chorus from the usual whitesplainers.
loutil wrote:LOL at your continued intellectual dishonesty.
When you say the "majority of people in this thread" you really mean the minority of people in this thread. By my count there are 6 people in support and 8 opposed and 1 person open to a minor change. I see that you edited your first version calling us a minority of white people from white dominated cultures to "whitesplainers". You love to make personal attacks as you have no real substance to your opinions...
Maybe I should lower myself to your level and accuse you of blacksplaining .
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