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The dice aren't random.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:07 pm
by dayalsoap
There's no way that I will believe that the dice are random. The streaks of good/bad dice here are too profound, and frankly brutal, for them to be normal.

Here are some of the things I've lost today:
13vs2
12vs3
9vs2
12vs4
numerous 5vs1, 4vs1, 3vs1
9vs3
The list goes on and on.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:12 pm
by RobinJ
f*ck off

Please check the thousands of other similar threads - the dice are random and, if they're not, it's the same for everyone

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:23 pm
by dayalsoap
If you'll notice, there are an inordinate number of people complaining about the dice.

I'm willing to be part of the "maintenance" that they did had something to do with the fuckrat dice.

They aren't fair for everyone.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:26 pm
by hwhrhett
dayalsoap wrote:If you'll notice, there are an inordinate number of people complaining about the dice.

I'm willing to be part of the "maintenance" that they did had something to do with the fuckrat dice.

They aren't fair for everyone.


they are equally fair to everybody.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:28 pm
by dayalsoap
hwhrhett wrote:
dayalsoap wrote:If you'll notice, there are an inordinate number of people complaining about the dice.

I'm willing to be part of the "maintenance" that they did had something to do with the fuckrat dice.

They aren't fair for everyone.


they are equally fair to everybody.


Proof?

Maybe they are more fair to the person who has the better feedback ratio?

You don't know.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:31 pm
by Ogrecrusher
Get the dice analyser then play a load of games, then come back.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:38 pm
by hwhrhett
i have had bad beats, i am on one now, i lost earlier today 60vs40 left the guy with still 7 left. but then 2 games later i won 10 in a row and killed a 10 without losing any, everybody bitches and moans when the dice are bad, and never take notice when the dice are good. so shut up. use the dice analyzer and you will find that you roll all of the dice rather equally.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:40 pm
by dayalsoap
hwhrhett wrote:i have had bad beats, i am on one now, i lost earlier today 60vs40 left the guy with still 7 left. but then 2 games later i won 10 in a row and killed a 10 without losing any, everybody bitches and moans when the dice are bad, and never take notice when the dice are good. so shut up. use the dice analyzer and you will find that you roll all of the dice rather equally.



Yeah, you're assuming that the dice analyzer is accurate. If I were CC, I'd make it as bogus as possible, so people think the dice are accurate.

The dice aren't accurate. Nobody loses around 300pts because of DICE, and then says that they're fair.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:42 pm
by owenshooter
is this moved yet? perhaps merged? perhaps both? get crackin' mods!-0

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:43 pm
by dayalsoap
owenshooter wrote:is this moved yet? perhaps merged? perhaps both? get crackin' mods!-0


Exactly. There are SO many threads about it for a reason.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:44 pm
by TheShiningSun
Analyze the dice yourself if you don't trust programs, take a peice of paper, a pencil, and start tallying both your dice and your opponents dice, for hte record I went down from 1300 to 900 in a matter of hours then came back up to my present position of 1467 so... its quite possible

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:51 pm
by dominationnation
the analizer isnt even made by CC :roll:
Why would the manegment want to make the dice unfair?
What would they gain by that?
And if the owners want to cheat why arnt they anywhere near the top?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:57 pm
by owenshooter
dayalsoap wrote:
owenshooter wrote:is this moved yet? perhaps merged? perhaps both? get crackin' mods!-0


Exactly. There are SO many threads about it for a reason.


psst, you misunderstood, i'm not on your side. i think you are whining.-0

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:11 pm
by KoE_Sirius
owenshooter wrote:
dayalsoap wrote:
owenshooter wrote:is this moved yet? perhaps merged? perhaps both? get crackin' mods!-0


Exactly. There are SO many threads about it for a reason.


psst, you misunderstood, i'm not on your side. i think you are whining.-0

Yeah...Hooray for Dice threads. :lol:

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:32 pm
by alex_white101
if you buy premium your dice improve........ honestly.

Re: The dice aren't random.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:10 pm
by jiminski
dayalsoap wrote:There's no way that I will believe that the dice are random.



shhh .. don't tell anyone but they are not really dice either ;)

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:23 pm
by The1exile
alex_white101 wrote:if you buy premium your dice improve........ honestly.


total lies. my prem ran out and I took out like 17 losing 2 on age of magic the other day. best dice I've had since.... ever.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:26 pm
by KoE_Sirius
The1exile wrote:
alex_white101 wrote:if you buy premium your dice improve........ honestly.


total lies. my prem ran out and I took out like 17 losing 2 on age of magic the other day. best dice I've had since.... ever.

Well I got premium and hit 120 with 32 and had 5 left lol

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:38 pm
by MeDeFe
KoE_Sirius wrote:
The1exile wrote:
alex_white101 wrote:if you buy premium your dice improve........ honestly.

total lies. my prem ran out and I took out like 17 losing 2 on age of magic the other day. best dice I've had since.... ever.

Well I got premium and hit 120 with 32 and had 5 left lol

Yeah, but you only hit "attack" 14 times, so...

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:45 pm
by OnlyAmbrose
Do you really think that lack would bother to rig the dice? Do you really think he cares that much about games he's not even in?

I've still never heard a convincing reason WHY he would bother to rig the dice...

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:31 am
by C4
dayalsoap wrote:
owenshooter wrote:is this moved yet? perhaps merged? perhaps both? get crackin' mods!-0


Exactly. There are SO many threads about it for a reason.


Yeah, cause there's lots of sore losers. I had some awful dice as well and I suck it up. It happens get over it. Oh by the way, you get lucky dice too. People just don't post that as much.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:52 am
by Battle-Rage
dayalsoap wrote:
hwhrhett wrote:
dayalsoap wrote:If you'll notice, there are an inordinate number of people complaining about the dice.

I'm willing to be part of the "maintenance" that they did had something to do with the fuckrat dice.

They aren't fair for everyone.


they are equally fair to everybody.


Proof?

Maybe they are more fair to the person who has the better feedback ratio?

You don't know.


I do. I have a fairly good feedback ratio, and i can tell you they are not better to me then other opponents. I recently got the shiits with the dice, losing over a dozen games straight purely due to bad dice. I have had alot of tragic games lately, but overall i think it does meter out to random.

Bear in mind the concept of random means its possible to get 100 1's in a row, as well as equal numbers.

Re: The dice aren't random.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:20 am
by TheScarecrow
lol @ dayalsoap

as has been rightly pointed out to you buddy the dice analyzer is not even made by CC staff. its written by another player who had a lot of spare time on their hands.

and you know something? before i was aware of the dice analyzer and as soon as i saw threads complaining about bad dice i took a pen and pencil and tallied up the dice I rolled and the defender rolled for around 50 games AND i also kept track of how many armies i lost and how many armies the defender lost.

as for the actual dice I found that they were in favour of the defender by about 1000th of a percentage point. The armies lost ratio was 1 attacking army to every 0.9999.

if you want ill do this test again but really... its VERY close and im inclined to believe that if i kept a record of all 105 games i played they would be EVEN CLOSER to exact.


and to punch a BIGGER hole in your theory here is a screenshot of a dice analyzer that was put up on the forum by a VERY honest player. what do you think now mr soap?
Image

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:51 am
by comic boy
dayalsoap wrote:
owenshooter wrote:is this moved yet? perhaps merged? perhaps both? get crackin' mods!-0


Exactly. There are SO many threads about it for a reason.


And every single thread about them is started by low ranked players grasping at straws. My dice have stank for the last few days,with any luck I would be back to Brigadier but instead Im slipping back to Major, Ive kicked the dog,clawed my face and screamed at my computer,in short Ive gone slightly insane. However I would quit the site tommorow if this ,wonderful yet infuriating game, were to so impair my mental facilities that I started claiming there was a dice conspiracy against me - Grow up Guys !

Re: The dice aren't random.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:25 am
by RobinJ
TheScarecrow wrote:lol @ dayalsoap

as has been rightly pointed out to you buddy the dice analyzer is not even made by CC staff. its written by another player who had a lot of spare time on their hands.

and you know something? before i was aware of the dice analyzer and as soon as i saw threads complaining about bad dice i took a pen and pencil and tallied up the dice I rolled and the defender rolled for around 50 games AND i also kept track of how many armies i lost and how many armies the defender lost.

as for the actual dice I found that they were in favour of the defender by about 1000th of a percentage point. The armies lost ratio was 1 attacking army to every 0.9999.

if you want ill do this test again but really... its VERY close and im inclined to believe that if i kept a record of all 105 games i played they would be EVEN CLOSER to exact.


and to punch a BIGGER hole in your theory here is a screenshot of a dice analyzer that was put up on the forum by a VERY honest player. what do you think now mr soap?
Image


And this is from someone who's only been here a few months. His are already random, mine are even more random - everything lies with 0.1% of what it should be - that's pretty accurate