Conquer Club

maxatstuy wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:

Twill wrote:his brother's account which he took over to bitch and moan in chat both during his chat ban and after his multi bust.

There is a very large difference between me asking my brother to go on and defend me and going on his account and doing it myself. During my absence, he had a conversation with king_achilles who can contest that it wasnt me talking.

Furthermore, I have no idea which multis you are referring to seeing that I was not assuming any accounts other than my own and you have not stated any accounts to which I was a multi with.

Twill wrote:To add fuel to the fire, Max was skating a very thin line on "gross abuse of the game" already by feeding almost exclusively off of new recruits - most of whom never came back after playing him.

I play many noobs who never show up, but their decision not to return has nothing to do with me persuading them to leave. In every game I play, when the noob shows up, I offer to play real time, not using delay tactics as many others do, and even give advice so that they can learn and play better in the future.

Twill wrote:To add further fuel to the fire, JCKing has been busted for creating multis which were farmed by Max, and potentially others.

Apparently, I joined one game against someone whose IP read Japan that turned out to be JCKing. I had no knowledge that it was him I have no idea what you are trying to show by mentioning it.

Twill wrote:To add yet further fuel to the fire, Max has repeatedly been accused/suspected of sitting abuse and had multiple blocks on his account (we all remember the "little" *manimal bust that took all those accounts with it because of previous blocks with Max)

Mentioning the accusations which were CLEARED and the multi who took 94 of my points has nothing to do with me being guilty of anything. Clearly you are reacting to peoples opinion of me rather than on my guilt. There was no reason for me to be busted and I have yet to receive and information as to the reason for the bust.

Twill wrote:Max found some great loopholes in the scoring system, he pissed off a lot of people and skated on some pretty thin ice with regards to the rules. There's going to be a lot of emotion on several sides about this, but Max dug his own grave in the end. He crossed the line he shouldn't have and now it's his choice what he does with his position.

Your opinion of me should have no factor to my remaining on this site. I play noobs and that is my prerogative. Playing for my friends when they need to leave is not against the rules and I have dont nothing that could be considered cheating. I would still love to hear what I was ACTUALLY busted for because as of this moment, you have yet to accuse me of anything.

Amazingly you have have yet to respond to this post as well DAT...lol. Btw, Im pretty sure that your calling scott and bruce cheats in one 8-player definitely helped the mods decision to block them. Thanks

LFAW wrote:He hasn't cheated. He has never been busted for anything.

owenshooter wrote:in lieu of maxatstuy spamming up every thread in the GD with his standard defense of what is his understanding of the facts to be, when it comes to his bans/being stripped of premium/busts, etc... i am inviting max to embrace this thread and to fill it to his hearts content with all the facts, figures, graphs, evidence, photographic evidence, video surveilance, etc, that prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is not a cheater. perhaps he will sway some minds and win some hearts. i personally hope this becomes a home for his defense team, and it stops spilling into every thread about lists and points and firsts in the GD... HAVE AT IT MAX!!! THE ENTIRE FLOOR IS YOURS!!! GOOD LUCK, BUDDY!!!...-6cd

Lindax wrote:Who is Max?

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JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:so your saying Owen, even after being stripped of membership, blocked with numerous accounts, busted for account sitting abuse, and after a known multi buying him membership, that Max dint cheat?

king achilles wrote:maxatstuy, let this serve as a warning for you not to enter another person's account just so you can get around a chat ban or for any form of ban for that matter. If the ban time has already exceeded, you can contact any of the moderators or the admin regarding it. Logging in to a place where you are currently banned by using another account, with or without permission from the owner, is not permitted. Do NOT repeat this again or we may have to bust both accounts regardless.

owenshooter wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:so your saying Owen, even after being stripped of membership, blocked with numerous accounts, busted for account sitting abuse, and after a known multi buying him membership, that Max dint cheat?

well... i am sure you know how i feel about max... i am just giving him a chance to put it all in one place and to stop spamming up the forums with his long winded proclaimations of innocence... here it is, his chance to convince us all he is innocent!!! good luck, max!!!!...-6cd

maxatstuy wrote:

Blitzaholic wrote:I dont dislike you max-i try to be friends or friendly to all


just so many say you have, i am not sure what to do here, it is a hard choice to make, let me see if i can collect some more info., perhaps i was wrong for taking you off, i dont know anymore. but my recollection is you have played on elitstuys account multiple times with intentions to play it all yourself in some games--reasoning for the massive block cc put on you, you also had chat bans and cc stripped you of premium, they are more than fair and do not do this unless sound reason. you were found to also set up freestyle dubs and playing both accounts on purpose not to cover for someone. this is some of the info i have which if cc took your premium-i had to follow suit, be glad they did not take your score, but be sure they will if it happens again, you should thank cc for not resetting your score to 1000, but they did get another 25 bucks from you. not sound punishment, but it is their site and I trust the cc mods and hunters. respects, blitz

p.s. please do not spam the thread, I do not want twill or mods to lock this, we will just have to agree to disagree, thank you

Thank you for the response, but I think it needs a little clarification. I was not busted for playing for my brother nor was I busted for playing for anyone else. According to twills post, he believed that I assumed my brothers account in order to defend myself after I was busted, (which would mean that I was initially busted for no reason and that I broke a rule while busted,) even though that is not the case. After I was placed into the guest user group and was premium stripped, I asked my brother to go on his account and contact the mods to see what happened. He spoke to king_achilles in a pretty lengthy conversation and found out that the initial reason for my being busted was that I logged onto another persons account for a purpose other than to babysit.

It turned out that it was a misunderstanding as, on my own account, I was in live chat and while conversation was dead, I logged on to play for lanyards in his games, as he was unable to get online for several weeks straight. However, as I was exiting, I clicked the live chat button by mistake so when I logged back onto my own account, it said that "maxatstuy turned into lanyards" (or something like that) and when I commented saying that it looked neat, it read that I wrote that on lanyards account, as opposed to my own, since while I signed out of lanyards account, chat did not.

That was taken care of, although twill decided to then claim, in his forum post, that it was me on my brothers account speaking on my behalf when it was not. There was no reason for the bust, and I gained no unfair points or played for anyone unnecessarily. In reference to the doubles games, I clarified that situation in my last post on page 5 of the Maxatstuy [blocked] thread. Even though in three doubles games I played turns, (one turn in each game,) for Paddy, (my doubles partner,) I only played when there were a couple hours left and when I knew that paddy was offline and asleep. Never did I play any games that were not out of necessity and I never cheated.

It is fine if you want to remove me from your threads because I was busted, but there was no reason for me to be busted and I never cheated in any way.

owenshooter wrote:hey, max, what about this one? is this made up also?

king achilles wrote:maxatstuy, let this serve as a warning for you not to enter another person's account just so you can get around a chat ban or for any form of ban for that matter. If the ban time has already exceeded, you can contact any of the moderators or the admin regarding it. Logging in to a place where you are currently banned by using another account, with or without permission from the owner, is not permitted. Do NOT repeat this again or we may have to bust both accounts regardless.

are the mods just out to get you or what?...-6cd

maxatstuy wrote:

clapper011 wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=68165

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=67902
have a gander at this Ditocoaf, max got punished as well.

Wow...Im only on page 6 of this thread...lot more reading to go.

Anyway, I think this post requires my response so here it goes. I was warned because I went on my brothers account to go into live chat when I was on a 24 hr ban; it is against the rules and I now know that, even though my intentions were to find out why my 24 hour ban was lasting into the 25th hour. I was warned as a result

However, the reason for the bust was wrong and illogical, even more so than the bust which this thread is referring. After being busted for the belief that I used an account for purposes other than to babysit, I asked my brother to go on his account and write to some of the mods in order to resolve the situation. I never assumed his account in any way and there was no rule which I broke. Asking someone to post is in no way the same thing as posting for someone else and I have yet to see a response by any admin, mod, or conquer club member explaining Twill's justification in busting me, especially considdering that the initial reason for my bust had nothing to do with me abusing my brothers account.

I apologize that this is off topic, although I feel it needs to be said. For a better description of what occurred, read my second to last post on this page:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33043&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=405

DAT_WAT_SHE_SAID wrote:cheater

Bruceswar wrote:Accused:

maxatstuy




The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Other: Accounting sitting Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 2037625
Game 2070968
Game 2177240
Game 2193033
Game 2218597
Game 2251754
Game 2313588
Game 2406484 - Chat note
Game 2458802 - Chat note
Game 2461746
Game 2489815
Game 2542502
Game 2577944
Game 2591692
Game 2596631
Game 2611466 - Chat note
Game 2755345
Game 2818540
Game 2865931
Game 3000105
Game 3049572
Game 3050708
Game 3059063 - Chat Note from maxatstuy

This game secret diplomacy was suspected between Elistuy and maxatstuy - The logs tell it all. Game and chat..
Game 1139206




Comments:

Maxatstuy has been account sitting abusing for a long time now. Here is how he does it. He asked you if you want to play a doubles game with him. Most of these are in the now past as you can see by the game numbers. (tbh I got tired of looking at games after awhile) He enjoys freestyle doubles where timing is everything and playing at the same time can be of a great advantage. After you agree one of the first things he will ask you for is your password. (I know this as he asked for mine and I declined.) He says he wants to have your password, just in case you are not around to play. Or in other words, if playing now gives you an advantage then he will play both accounts at the same time. In many of the game links there are comments in the chat or long periods of time in between moves, such as forts. A fort from Siam to India to Mid East could take as long as 45 secs or so. India would have been owned by one player and the other 2 by the other teammate. So in this time he would switch back and forth between accounts. In some of these games someone is playing for him and he is playing for his partner. Ugh Why is not playing for himself? Games such asGame 2458802 The point is this goes against the spirit of the game. He as openly admitted to myself and others he does this. This being playing games for others. He has played many games on the Elistuy account. Games in which his brother signed up to play and all of a sudden has no interest in playing, so max plays them for him instead of him deadbeating the game. It is one thing to take a random turn for a teammate if you see they are about to miss a turn. It is a whole other thing to take turns on a somewhat seemingly daily basis for others, just because they are not around for a few hours. The last game is a singles game where you can see from the game logs/ chat that secret diplomacy was conducted. Keep in mind this is flat rate and world 2.1 No way someone sweeps the board in a game like that without help.

Here are some PM quotes...

"If I am so bad at playing on conquerclub as one would perceive based on your comments that I need to prove myself (which would be the only possible reason I can imagine for wanting me to join those brigadier games) you should probably tell fanta to leave his account with someone else and to hand back the points I won him in his 4 player speed which I turned around and won for him, JCKing to return the points I won for him in his 3 player speed, paddy to change his password and ask someone else to play for him when he is away, phantom to change his password, free to change his, and my brother to have someone else win his 8 players for him"


"the comment about my brother I can explain quite simply, he left after the first turn and had me play for him...it didnt matter than much, at the time he was the same rank as me(What does rank have do to with anything of who plays?), I did play it though (after the first turn)" - These not speed games as Eli is a freeium

"he doesnt care much about conquerclub tbh. After he lost about 200 points and went down to (whatever double stripe is) he started joining games and whenever he didnt know what to do or didnt want to play anymore, he left and told me to finish it...henceforth a lot of his 8 players and a couple one on ones"

"not quite, Im saying he gave up, joined some games, then left (so i was obligated to play for him otherwise he would deadbeat out)

if you are confused at what I am referring to, look at the 8 player he played in with King_Herpes, I didnt want to play on that map and against my friend, so I refused to play and asked paddy to instead" - That was an interesting game indeed. He was the last to sign up, so obviously he wanted to play it. Max then dumps the game to Paddy The Cat, since Paddy knows the map better.

" not really, he could play if he moved his schedule around, but most of the time, he is actually busy doing other things"


Taken from live chat...

23:44:21 ‹maxatstuy› I have like 10 peoples pw
25/08/2008 23:44:23 ‹maxatstuy› seriously
25/08/2008 23:44:24 ‹maxatstuy› lol

23:45:05 ‹maxatstuy› i played for prank two days ago

25/08/2008 23:45:28 ‹maxatstuy› i babysit for about 4 people
25/08/2008 23:45:30 ‹Jeff Hardy› i play for people but they change there pw afterwards
25/08/2008 23:45:34 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:45:39 ‹maxatstuy› my people dont
25/08/2008 23:45:40 ‹xxtig12683xx› i avoid it though, and dont play speed for them usually
25/08/2008 23:45:50 ‹maxatstuy› i win for them
25/08/2008 23:45:54 ‹maxatstuy› it is a lot of fun
25/08/2008 23:45:55 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:46:03 ‹maxatstuy› i dont play much on my account


25/08/2008 23:46:07 ‹Jeff Hardy› why not win for yourself?
25/08/2008 23:46:23 ‹maxatstuy› because I lose a lot more if I lose
25/08/2008 23:46:27 ‹maxatstuy› than I would if I win
25/08/2008 23:46:42 ‹maxatstuy› hmm
25/08/2008 23:46:45 ‹maxatstuy› i am curious

23:46:54 ‹maxatstuy› I want to count how many pws I know

23:48:04 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:48:09 ‹maxatstuy› i have 10 pws on this computer
25/08/2008 23:48:16 ‹maxatstuy› going to check the other one now

23:50:07 ‹maxatstuy› and 2 more on the other computer
25/08/2008 23:50:09 ‹maxatstuy› lol
25/08/2008 23:50:12 ‹maxatstuy› so 12 in all
23:50:23 ‹maxatstuy› not counting the people that changed their pws
25/08/2008 23:50:24 ‹maxatstuy› lol

23:50:33 ‹Jeff Hardy› how many of them are your multis?
25/08/2008 23:50:42 ‹maxatstuy› hahaha
25/08/2008 23:50:52 ‹maxatstuy› only KingOfGods
25/08/2008 23:50:55 ‹maxatstuy› hahahaha
25/08/2008 23:51:19 ‹maxatstuy› if only
25/08/2008 23:51:23 ‹maxatstuy› that would be neat
25/08/2008 23:51:27 ‹Jeff Hardy› why?
25/08/2008 23:51:37 ‹maxatstuy› king is amazing
25/08/2008 23:51:40 ‹maxatstuy› hahaha

In closing this is what the account sitting abuse rules take care of right? If so this needs to be looked into with great lengths.

Edited to point a few key games out.

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:so your saying Owen, even after being stripped of membership, blocked with numerous accounts, busted for account sitting abuse, and after a known multi buying him membership, that Max dint cheat?

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:so your saying Owen, even after being stripped of membership, blocked with numerous accounts, busted for account sitting abuse, and after a known multi buying him membership, that Max dint cheat?

I forgot chat ban too

owenshooter wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:so your saying Owen, even after being stripped of membership, blocked with numerous accounts, busted for account sitting abuse, and after a known multi buying him membership, that Max dint cheat?

I forgot chat ban too

yeah, i'm hoping max comes backs and clears that all up...-6cd

owenshooter wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:so your saying Owen, even after being stripped of membership, blocked with numerous accounts, busted for account sitting abuse, and after a known multi buying him membership, that Max dint cheat?

I forgot chat ban too

yeah, i'm hoping max comes backs and clears that all up...-6cd

maxatstuy wrote:I have went over everyone of the game numbers which bruce had listed and commented on each

I numbered them if you want to look back at the list:

1. Stated paddy was in a speed game so that team 1 would understand the delay

2. My brother played...dont understand why it is on the list

3. lol...no idea why this is on the list

4. ummm...why is this game mentioned...we were playing at the same time thoughout most of the game

5. we werent even waiting for each other to be online let alone playing for each other

6. no idea why this is on the list

7. Paddy was about to miss, I didnt want to give his password away to someone else, so I played for him and asked someone to play for me so that it would still be only one person playing

8. Same thing

9. I took some turns for my brother...he was gone and he would have missed otherwise

10. Ridiculous, it was a two rounder...we played as a team, no reason to be mentioned

11. We werent even playing as a team in this one...why is this on the list

12. no idea why this is on the list

13. no idea why this is on the list

14. we did moves within the same second in this game, no idea why it is mentioned

15. the game was over and paddy had one territory left with a one on it...I started his turn so that they could end it...lol

16. I didnt even know freerolls password when we played this game

17. I didnt know kings password when we played this game and couldnt attack that fast even if I did

18. I didnt know kings password when we played this game and we werent even online at the same time when we were playing it...no idea why it is on the list

19. Brother joined it, asked me to play for him because he had to do other stuff, I refused and asked king to play because it was a conflict of interest playing my friend

20. Fantasianasian needed to leave, he asked me to finish it up for him as noted in game chat

21. JCKing had to leave, he sent me a pm so I took over for him as noted in game chat

22. My brothers game, I checked in to see how he was doing...whats the problem with that...usually he asks me to tell him ideas, he was playing on his own in that one; he did pretty well too, almost won

maxatstuy wrote:10. Ridiculous, it was a two rounder...we played as a team, no reason to be mentioned

11. We werent even playing as a team in this one...why is this on the list