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So do you recommend using auto-assault or do you just do each assault individually to ensure that you dont get completely crushed. I have had it happen a few time where I tried to take down an opponents territory and had say 10-12 armies to his 1-2 armies, hit auto-assault and been demolished by a rash of bad rolls.

Just looking for some comments on the Pros/Cons of the auto-assault feature.

Thanks in advance

Jeff

I only use the Auto-Assault when I am a 100% sure that in any possible situation, I want to keep attacking the region I'm attacking.

There is no difference whatsoever in the dice. you have the same odds of losing 10v2 when auto-attacking as when attacking one by one.

kp

I agree with Karel.

But I wanne put op on it. If I am in speed games, I almost always use auto-assault. Or else someone else did kill the target for cards or whatever. But in normal games I usually use assault to control it. But the odds are the same. Or if i am playing with big stacks on city mogul or something ill put auto assault.

Urs

Koganosi.,

Freestyle speed, I tend to auto-assault.

Otherwise, I just assault.

The auto attack button lacks one key to a successful attack, the ability to stop if the odds of success shift out of your favor. I only use it when thousands of troops are used and almost no chance of looseing is possible.

Moved to the Strategy forum.

karelpietertje wrote:There is no difference whatsoever in the dice. you have the same odds of losing 10v2 when auto-attacking as when attacking one by one.

kp

logically, that may be true. however, EVERYTIME i auto, my luck is either amazing (i win 40-60 with 20 leftover) or my luck is terrible (i lose 20v3). if you singularly click attack, i find that my dice are a lot more...stable. instead of winning by huge margins or losing by huge margins, i kill 1 for every 1 i lose. this makes my dice something like 10-10 down to 3v1.

I use auto assault only when it is a large stack i am up against or when I know I have to kill a territory or i'm done. It seems I have better odds most of the time on auto, although I think it has mainly to do with the time I hit the button.

spongey437 wrote:So do you recommend using auto-assault or do you just do each assault individually to ensure that you dont get completely crushed. I have had it happen a few time where I tried to take down an opponents territory and had say 10-12 armies to his 1-2 armies, hit auto-assault and been demolished by a rash of bad rolls.
Just looking for some comments on the Pros/Cons of the auto-assault feature.
Thanks in advance
Jeff

Personally, I always auto-assault. Basically, if I'm attacking, I am going all-out and willing to risk my army down to 3 (and potentially, though not normally, 2). That's just my mode of operation. Plus I'm innately lazy. <smile>

I would also say that the auto-assault has NOTHING AT ALL to do with whether you get an extremely positive result or an extremely negative result. I can honestly say it's about 50-50 in that regard, given pretty evenly-matched armies.

karelpietertje wrote:I only use the Auto-Assault when I am a 100% sure that in any possible situation, I want to keep attacking the region I'm attacking.

There is no difference whatsoever in the dice. you have the same odds of losing 10v2 when auto-attacking as when attacking one by one.

kp

I have a formula when to auto. With that said I disagree about single attack vs auto attack. With larger numbers I see auto get better results quite often.

I only use attack if I am trying to weaken, but not kill a territory. Otherwise, I only use autoattack.

While, yes not autoing is better because you are capable of re-evaluating your strategy mid-turn, I never do that. I play this game for fun, and once is enough to run my calculations through, I don't care enough to do it every few attacks. (I will re-run them if I am doing a multiple territory sweep with one starting territory and I get significantly unlucky dice on one of the territories).

The Neon Peon wrote:While, yes not autoing is better because you are capable of re-evaluating your strategy mid-turn, I never do that. I play this game for fun, and once is enough to run my calculations through, I don't care enough to do it every few attacks.

see, this is exactly why i rarely auto-attack. i may auto-attack at the end of a game, but never during the heart of the match... i just like to re-evaluate the board, my options, what can be done, and how best to set my partner or myself up for the next turn...-0

p.s.-bruce, we both know about your calculations. last time you calculated something, you lost your internet for a solid week... ahem... (inside joke, but i had to do it)

like neon peon said, only use assault when not planning to win the attack (like in city mogul when you try and weaken the s with the 20 then kill it with yiur big stack)

owenshooter wrote:

The Neon Peon wrote:While, yes not autoing is better because you are capable of re-evaluating your strategy mid-turn, I never do that. I play this game for fun, and once is enough to run my calculations through, I don't care enough to do it every few attacks.

see, this is exactly why i rarely auto-attack. i may auto-attack at the end of a game, but never during the heart of the match... i just like to re-evaluate the board, my options, what can be done, and how best to set my partner or myself up for the next turn...-0

p.s.-bruce, we both know about your calculations. last time you calculated something, you lost your internet for a solid week... ahem... (inside joke, but i had to do it)

I would have to agree with you, I also like to be able to re-evaluate my strategy mid-turn, but I also like to attack non-auto for a while and if i see the dice are doing good i go ahead and auto attack. But those times lets say you have 100 and auto a stack of 80 and you end up loosing and the defender still has like 20 ouch. those times makes me wish i hadn't

Auto assault CAN be a killer in the case of bad dice...so I usually don't use it unless I've got
1. Over ten troops
2. If I'm playing a freestyle rt game where speed is everything.

I play alot of AOR freestyle...and in that it's speed. Speed is the name of the game. If you can be fast enough you'll win. Almost 100% certain. So anything to keep me moving as fast as possible.

When you would use 'attack' repeatedly, until you were down to less than 4 armies, is the only time you should ever use 'auto-attack'. Well, that, or if time is an issue.

Maybe(or surely) Ill twaddle, but if you press auto-attack or attack is not the same dice,lets see if I can explain it well

Explanation
When you attack(or auto-attack) you take the next combination dice from the database right?

The thing is that you are not the only one playing, maybe there are 100 people who are taking their turn just now(I said 100 to say a number)

If you press auto attack you'll get the 2,5,10,40...(till stops) next combinations.

But if you press attack just twice, what will happen is that maybe you take the next combination and the next time you throw you take the combination number 5(because the combination 2 3 4 and 5 were used by other players, in other games(or not if is freestyle) who are also taking their turn in that moment

Sorry if I didnt explain better

darth emperor wrote:Maybe(or surely) Ill twaddle, but if you press auto-attack or attack is not the same dice,lets see if I can explain it well

Explanation
When you attack(or auto-attack) you take the next combination dice from the database right?

The thing is that you are not the only one playing, maybe there are 100 people who are taking their turn just now(I said 100 to say a number)

If you press auto attack you'll get the 2,5,10,40...(till stops) next combinations.

But if you press attack just twice, what will happen is that maybe you take the next combination and the next time you throw you take the combination number 5(because the combination 2 3 4 and 5 were used by other players, in other games(or not if is freestyle) who are also taking their turn in that moment

Sorry if I didnt explain better

Doesn't matter. The dice will be different, but overall not better or worse if you auto.

I like to assult because it is more fun to watch my troops die 1 or 2 at a time. Auto-assult takes all the emotion of winng or losing time after time.

Timminz wrote:When you would use 'attack' repeatedly, until you were down to less than 4 armies, is the only time you should ever use 'auto-attack'. Well, that, or if time is an issue.

i only auto at the end of a game, when the outcome is pretty close to certain (as in a few terits left for the other guy)... otherwise, i use "attack" all the time, in order to control the outcome better, and to stop if things are going bad and to not leave myself in too large of a hole for my next turn... i'd rather stop with a slim advantage like 7v5 instead of being at a 2v5 disadvantage...-0

ya see, if you assault, you can see how much you are loosing and can stop before your armies get unlucky and get smashed to a 3 or 2

the odds are supposed to be the same, but i usually avoid auto-assault unless i play freestyle (which isn't often) or the result of the attack is almost certain. sometimes, the strategy involved in particular maps and settings forces u to use normal assault. an example is aor2 fog, where u sometimes want to reduce an enemy or neutral region to 1 or 2 troops without actually conquering the region.

ian.

Hah, perhaps I'm just a little happy-go-lucky... I always use Auto Attack. Saves time!

Rocket.

Rocketry wrote:Hah, perhaps I'm just a little happy-go-lucky... I always use Auto Attack. Saves time!
Rocket.

Me too. There's never a time when I'm not willing to take that risk (and it's paid off big time from time to time). The only time I don't is when I want to whittle away at a territory from one side before I auto-attack it for the kill from somewhere else.

gloryordeath wrote:The auto attack button lacks one key to a successful attack, the ability to stop if the odds of success shift out of your favor. I only use it when thousands of troops are used and almost no chance of looseing is possible.

It also needs this feature for exactly the opposite reason. Sometimes you don't want to take a territory, but you really want to weaken it. This can take much longer than necessary since you are not able to set limits on how much or how little you want to auto assault.

From the day it was added, there were suggestions to put limits on the auto assault button. Hopefully we get this reward some day soon! (I think the difficulty is because of clutter, you would need to add multiple dropdowns or buttons to make this effective and that all takes up space).