Conquer Club

why do people think legal scripts are cheating?

about 1 in 10 games i play someone accuses me of cheating because i use click able maps

does this happen to others and why cant people read the forums and see that they are not cheating

Are these all n00bs that accuse you??

no the last guy was a captain with 1400 completed games

If you're using a script to change the way you play the game and gain an unfair advantage over the other players (which you are if it's freestyle and you're using a script that lets you attack faster), then you're cheating. It doesn't matter that it's posted on the forum, you're still cheating. Why not try winning games by being smarter than your opponents, instead of winning by letting a computer do the work for you?

ok there is a great example of a player that isnt a noob accusing me of cheating

kylegraves1 wrote:ok there is a great example of a player that isnt a noob accusing me of cheating

Read his post. He was referring to the title of your thread which is about "scripts" to do the work. Scripts are illegal.

He's talking about Game 4964910

The idiot in question said this-

2009-05-26 21:34:26 - Creating Chaos: ugh you using that stupid cheat script..geezz
2009-05-26 21:34:29 - Creating Chaos: i thought they fixed that by now
2009-05-26 21:35:29 - Creating Chaos: takes advantage of bug in CC
2009-05-26 21:36:44 - Creating Chaos: are you using ascript to move your men?
2009-05-26 21:36:48 - Creating Chaos: in firefox
2009-05-26 21:37:01 - Creating Chaos: strike that, attack i mean
2009-05-26 21:46:58 - Creating Chaos: try playing with out it. see the difference in the outcomes of your attacks, make up your own mind.


I just foed him.... never played him before... but he's a complete tool who thinks that clicky maps goes off a bug that allows a player to program in his attacks ahead of time. XD

What a fucking idiot.

I'm told there are groups than can help you with this...

Here is the local Tennessee chapter...

http://www.cheaternews.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=24




I don't cheat, so i certainly can't tell you if they would be a help to you or not...

BaldAdonis wrote:If you're using a script to change the way you play the game and gain an unfair advantage over the other players (which you are if it's freestyle and you're using a script that lets you attack faster), then you're cheating. It doesn't matter that it's posted on the forum, you're still cheating. Why not try winning games by being smarter than your opponents, instead of winning by letting a computer do the work for you?

Try to play CC without a computer and see how well that goes for you. XD

EagleofGreenErth wrote:

BaldAdonis wrote:If you're using a script to change the way you play the game and gain an unfair advantage over the other players (which you are if it's freestyle and you're using a script that lets you attack faster), then you're cheating. It doesn't matter that it's posted on the forum, you're still cheating. Why not try winning games by being smarter than your opponents, instead of winning by letting a computer do the work for you?

Try to play CC without a computer and see how well that goes for you. XD

And another one misses the point of Baldy's post. Congrats.

BaldAdonis wrote:If you're using a script to change the way you play the game and gain an unfair advantage over the other players (which you are if it's freestyle and you're using a script that lets you attack faster), then you're cheating. It doesn't matter that it's posted on the forum, you're still cheating. Why not try winning games by being smarter than your opponents, instead of winning by letting a computer do the work for you?

Well, are you talking about scripts, or are you talking about clickies in particular?

'Cause, while I know that clickies give people an unfair advantage in speed, clickies are amazing for sequential players, makes my life quite a bit easier (especially given the small screen of my laptop).

Incandenza wrote:

BaldAdonis wrote:If you're using a script to change the way you play the game and gain an unfair advantage over the other players (which you are if it's freestyle and you're using a script that lets you attack faster), then you're cheating. It doesn't matter that it's posted on the forum, you're still cheating. Why not try winning games by being smarter than your opponents, instead of winning by letting a computer do the work for you?

Well, are you talking about scripts, or are you talking about clickies in particular?

'Cause, while I know that clickies give people an unfair advantage in speed, clickies are amazing for sequential players, makes my life quite a bit easier (especially given the small screen of my laptop).

I agree. And to say that everybody does not have them so it is unfair. That is like saying everybody does not have BOB therefore it is also unfair. Both are perfectly legal and to be honest the old drop down menu's are so slow in seq. For those with many moves it can save loads of time. In speed games, most everybody has them. Those that do not are usually told about them and at that point they can get them if they want. In fact I just told 2 people today about them and they were very happy to get them.

Bones2484 wrote:

EagleofGreenErth wrote:

BaldAdonis wrote:If you're using a script to change the way you play the game and gain an unfair advantage over the other players (which you are if it's freestyle and you're using a script that lets you attack faster), then you're cheating. It doesn't matter that it's posted on the forum, you're still cheating. Why not try winning games by being smarter than your opponents, instead of winning by letting a computer do the work for you?

Try to play CC without a computer and see how well that goes for you. XD

And another one misses the point of Baldy's post. Congrats.

I don't miss his point. I know what he's saying. Its the same old shit he's always saying. However, its each player's choice not to use clickable maps in freestyle. They aren't "cheating" and they don't mean you aren't "smarter than your opponents." And to win the game no matter what you are letting a computer do the work for you. Tool.

Incandenza wrote:Well, are you talking about scripts, or are you talking about clickies in particular?

'Cause, while I know that clickies give people an unfair advantage in speed, clickies are amazing for sequential players, makes my life quite a bit easier (especially given the small screen of my laptop).

I've got no problem with anyone using scripts which don't help them win. BOB will count up your armies for you and colour code the map. It won't let you start your turn the second your opponent does. The Games Filter script lets you find games that you want to play. It won't let you conquer 3 territories in 2 seconds. Clickable maps is a great addition to sequential games, because just like in freestyle, it does exactly what you wanted to do, but faster. The difference, of course, is that playing faster helps you win freestyle games; other scripts don't give you an advantage over other players.

Summary for the people who can't read: Clickable maps + freestyle = cheating. Clickable maps - freestyle = no one cares.

BaldAdonis wrote:

Incandenza wrote:Well, are you talking about scripts, or are you talking about clickies in particular?

'Cause, while I know that clickies give people an unfair advantage in speed, clickies are amazing for sequential players, makes my life quite a bit easier (especially given the small screen of my laptop).

I've got no problem with anyone using scripts which don't help them win. BOB will count up your armies for you and colour code the map. It won't let you start your turn the second your opponent does. The Games Filter script lets you find games that you want to play. It won't let you conquer 3 territories in 2 seconds. Clickable maps is a great addition to sequential games, because just like in freestyle, it does exactly what you wanted to do, but faster. The difference, of course, is that playing faster helps you win freestyle games; other scripts don't give you an advantage over other players.

Summary for the people who can't read: Clickable maps + freestyle = cheating. Clickable maps - freestyle = no one cares.

I agree with baldAdonis here and I strongly encouraged jpcloet, sully800, andy and others to review this and make a possible change. I also shared this with lackattack several months back to look it to, but I know he is busy.

There's a nice fix for everyone though, and that's to incorporate the deploy/attack/fortify functions from clickable maps into the site, then ban the script. Freestyle players still get to play quickly, everyone will have the same features, and no one will be able to automatically start their turn the second an opponent does (which is probably the most questionable aspect of the script, although not as frequently mentioned).

If it's legal it's not cheating, no matter how (un)fair it may be. If it's legal and you're not using it in freestyle that's stupid.

Why let some features die.. why not make it all work 100% with CC. Do you think just because someone has CM makes them an insta winner. No way in hell. A cook will still be a cook weather he uses drop downs or CM. End of story...

kylegraves1 wrote:why do people think legal scripts are cheating?

For the same reason some people still believe that having a mullet is an acceptable hair style.


They are stuck in the past...

Blitzaholic wrote:

BaldAdonis wrote:

Incandenza wrote:Well, are you talking about scripts, or are you talking about clickies in particular?

'Cause, while I know that clickies give people an unfair advantage in speed, clickies are amazing for sequential players, makes my life quite a bit easier (especially given the small screen of my laptop).

I've got no problem with anyone using scripts which don't help them win. BOB will count up your armies for you and colour code the map. It won't let you start your turn the second your opponent does. The Games Filter script lets you find games that you want to play. It won't let you conquer 3 territories in 2 seconds. Clickable maps is a great addition to sequential games, because just like in freestyle, it does exactly what you wanted to do, but faster. The difference, of course, is that playing faster helps you win freestyle games; other scripts don't give you an advantage over other players.

Summary for the people who can't read: Clickable maps + freestyle = cheating. Clickable maps - freestyle = no one cares.

I agree with baldAdonis here and I strongly encouraged jpcloet, sully800, andy and others to review this and make a possible change. I also shared this with lackattack several months back to look it to, but I know he is busy.

Agreed as well, I used to like playing freestyle speed matches until this cheat was introduced. I remember talking to twill a while ago and he said he would work on getting rid of it. It is only the point farmers and system abusers that use it and it gives an unfair advantage.

It's fun that you consider Clickable Maps to be cheating. Just get it yourselves and it won't be a problem.

Of course, some people are faster then others with Clickable Maps. If Clickable Maps was removed, then people still would be faster then others.

If everyone gets Clickable Maps, then it wouldn't really be a problem.

A lot of great arguments on both sides. The script is legal. However, players on the other side feel cheated.

I think the script compromises the integrity of the game, but that's just my opinion. I'd rather them fix FS than the script.

Let me sum up this whole grey area by quoting a player who uses clickable maps.

I know it's not cheating, but using using clickable maps is as close as you can get. It just doesn't feel right winning that way. Eventually the site will catch on that having a skill in using a good tool, is not the right thing for the site in the long run.

Thanks for posting your thoughts jpcloet... and White Moose, whilst I would get the cheat/script myself I would as jp said feel like I am compromising my own integrity in using it as the point gains won't feel natural at all. I'd rather just play freestyle without the threat that someone may be using speed scripts, allowing them to always break my bonuses in the first second a round starts.

jpcloet wrote:A lot of great arguments on both sides. The script is legal. However, players on the other side feel cheated.

I think the script compromises the integrity of the game, but that's just my opinion. I'd rather them fix FS than the script.

Let me sum up this whole grey area by quoting a player who uses clickable maps.

I know it's not cheating, but using using clickable maps is as close as you can get. It just doesn't feel right winning that way. Eventually the site will catch on that having a skill in using a good tool, is not the right thing for the site in the long run.

Who are you quoting? All you guys can turn blue in the face over this. Obviously it is here to stay. Most all the 8 man speed fs players have this script and use it. So everybody is on the same level. To say this script has made the "lower ranks" less likely to win is not true really. I played 8 mans before CM and the same people are still winning as was before CM came out. The same cooks are still losing... Same could be said just about on any settings surrounding freestyle.