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I feel indifferent about chronic AoR players. I enjoy them, and especially when it is against another good AoR team. But my question is if open AoR's are considered to be farming? Any opinions?

TheOtherOne wrote:I feel indifferent about chronic AoR players. I enjoy them, and especially when it is against another good AoR team. But my question is if open AoR's are considered to be farming? Any opinions?

no.

well, if you only make one type of game that you enjoy, and a bunch of noobs happen to join your games, then yes, it is constituted as farming. i forget which threads discuss this, but a precedent has been made already.

Well, t-o-m says he farms all the time on AoR. I personally don't give a shit.

whitestazn88 wrote:well, if you only make one type of game that you enjoy, and a bunch of noobs happen to join your games, then yes, it is constituted as farming. i forget which threads discuss this, but a precedent has been made already.

i am sure you are referencing the guy that only makes freestyle adjacent esc classic shapes games... which is pretty much a game-type that ONLY attracts new recruits. because nobody else will join on those shitty settings. watching his games are like watching paint dry, its just waiting for everyone to deadbeat....

ie: if you make nothing but 1 style of game, and the only person that joins that type of game are new recruits/deadbeats, then it is farming.

i constantly make games of the same maps and settings..
though i wouldnt call it farming...and most are 1v1...and speed
i just like to play the same settings and maps.

whitestazn88 wrote:well, if you only make one type of game that you enjoy, and a bunch of noobs happen to join your games, then yes, it is constituted as farming. i forget which threads discuss this, but a precedent has been made already.

This is one of my pet peeves. AOR2 is my favorite map. I almost always have a 1 vs 1 AOR2 map going. I also almost always have an Assassin and Terminator going as well, because I want the medals and those are the maps I play best/like best. Absolutely, I get a lot of new people.

HOWEVER, I always explain if asked ... often without being asked if the person is new or I check and see they have never played it before. I don't go into details, but I do say "you need to get your pairs on this one". If the person doesn't ask, then I often say something, but sometimes not right at first. Partly, I don't always bother to check if someone is new and partly, I figure if someone cannot be bothered to read the legend (never mind the many strategy threads out there.. no official guide yet, but threads there are "aplenty").

About the ONLY reason I am not considered a "farmer", I believe is because I don't keep a high rank. I do play other games. However, several of my regular opponents have "disappeared" and it seems they were accused of farming.

I say if you are out actively recruiting newbies, OR regularly join only newbie games, that's one thing. If, on the other hand, you start games .. particularly if you start lots of one type (and yes, I know it can be annoying to see 50 of the same game type), then there it becomes "player beware". I even think allowances should be made for a few players (JohnnyRocket comes to mind) who like to actively seek out new people to boost their "unique defeats" totals, but only IF they also are nice and perhaps even take the time to explain rules to newbies.

TheOtherOne wrote:I feel indifferent about chronic AoR players. I enjoy them, and especially when it is against another good AoR team. But my question is if open AoR's are considered to be farming? Any opinions?

Only Doubles games on AoR1, all you do is stack deployment on one castle and attack the nearest target. New players seldom see that one coming.

Artimis wrote:

TheOtherOne wrote:I feel indifferent about chronic AoR players. I enjoy them, and especially when it is against another good AoR team. But my question is if open AoR's are considered to be farming? Any opinions?

Only Doubles games on AoR1, all you do is stack deployment on one castle and attack the nearest target. New players seldom see that one coming.

AOR1 and AOR 2 are "different animals", but I see a dedicated group who like it. I have begun playing a few again just to remind myself of the tricks. I don't see all that many newbies, though I do see a group of lower ranked folks. (on a par with me, roughly).

Of course, when the new strategy guide comes out, the point will be mute. If you can't bother to read... you deserve to lose!

yeah, half of my games are on aor, mostly aor2. I just set them up, and noob or not a noob, they just join.

jleonnn wrote:yeah, half of my games are on aor, mostly aor2. I just set them up, and noob or not a noob, they just join.

If there is a NOOB game, it would be AOR1. However, enough people like it that I would not suggest removing it. And that, really, would be the only fair way to "fix" this ... other than just expecting people to read/ decide before joining a game.

what is AoR i am lost

aor is "age of realms". Anyway, most people say the map is ugly(sorry DiM). My regular opponents inlcude: redstarr987, KoE_Sirius, Amos Trask and skiman

it isnt farming

jleonnn wrote:aor is "age of realms". Anyway, most people say the map is ugly(sorry DiM). My regular opponents inlcude: redstarr987, KoE_Sirius, Amos Trask and skiman

t-o-m says it's pretty and you don't know "most people"

InkL0sed wrote:

jleonnn wrote:aor is "age of realms". Anyway, most people say the map is ugly(sorry DiM). My regular opponents inlcude: redstarr987, KoE_Sirius, Amos Trask and skiman

t-o-m says it's pretty and you don't know "most people"

yeah... i think aor3 got forged in what... 8 days? i'd say the things were damn pretty then, and even now. plus dim was genius in creating 3 different types of games on the same map

IMHO AoRs aren't farming maps any more than any other map. I went from sergeant to captain playing mostly 1v1 public AoR games and then found the losses to low-ranked players started balancing out the wins and I could get no further. the AoR maps are unique in that you can build armies very fast (which means there's a lot of luck involved) and--in foggy games--it gives a distinct advantage to a player who learns how to interpret the game log over someone who doesn't bother. But I think it's obvious that all the non-classic-like maps require a good understanding of the map and the legend before jumping in.

I have won 670+ pts on aor1 and 3912 pts on aor2. I find it quite nice and I would plunge without it. However, some people just don't like it. They want "regular" maps. yes, i agree that if you read the legend and find the right places to hit, it'll be a breeze. However, if you ask me, which one is nicest, I would have to say aor1.

whitestazn88 wrote:well, if you only make one type of game that you enjoy, and a bunch of noobs happen to join your games, then yes, it is constituted as farming. i forget which threads discuss this, but a precedent has been made already.

it was a C&A "noted" against b-something (some 3-letter nick). Achilles' ruling was, if you're constantly making the types of games that new recruits happen to wish to join, then it doesn't matter if you'll play all comers and do nothing else to encourage the ?s to join, it can be farming if a bunch of them join a bunch of your games, so stop making the types of games ?s and lower ranks like to play; or if you make them, make them private.

Edit: the closed C&A thread was on bjc23

edit2:

by king achilles on July 15th, 2009, 2:21 am wrote:
Checking the games he has right now, I see a lot of Classic Freestyle games with new recruits in them.

So creating 5-player Classic Freestyle games seem to attract a lot of new recruits? Yes, we can suspect you of newbie farming if you continue to restrict yourself in creating these kind of games. We suggest that you diverse your choice of creating games from time to time and hopefully, you won't be plague with new recruits constantly. We can not control new recruits from joining games they would like to try, but as a veteran player, if you already know the rules, you know the type that which attracts the new recruits, then make some adjustments with your choices as it can be an issue if most of your games consists of new recruits all the time.
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