Conquer Club

Just ended a 30 day forum ban - i was never notified by email, and there is no PM from the admins in my box informing me just why i was banned. Is this just a typical example of the mods' inefficiency and sloppy modding, or is this the new cc policy to leave us wondering?

While i was disenfranchised i learned that cc membership is on a marked downward slide (big surprise) and there are at least 2 new Risk sites in the making. Maybe it's time you guys tightened up your act?


Honibaz

Maybe they forgot to send the email?

b.k. barunt wrote:Just ended a 30 day forum ban - i was never notified by email, and there is no PM from the admins in my box informing me just why i was banned. Is this just a typical example of the mods' inefficiency and sloppy modding, or is this the new cc policy to leave us wondering?

While i was disenfranchised i learned that cc membership is on a marked downward slide (big surprise) and there are at least 2 new Risk sites in the making. Maybe it's time you guys tightened up your act?


Honibaz

Actually, I think perhaps this is actually and example of them tightenting up of their act. In any case, enrollment slides every summer, and does not increase until the fall again.

Now, I assumed you were banned. I also read many of the last posts you made before you were banned, and Im sure not surprised, and I surely know why you were banned. Im sure the lack of notification was a mistake, but you really werent wondering why you were banned were you?

If so, let me explain. Flamewars is no long around. Explicit flaming is now an offense that results in diciplinary action, including "banz." Further, Ill assume you were given other banz before, and warnings, which is why this one was longer.

I really am guessing, and if Im wrong, I apologize, but I do hope this is helpful, until you get an official explanation.

Nice to see youre back. Cut down on the flaming just a bit, and youll be fine.

shouldnt there be some sort of computer generated pm sent when someone is banned at least, You dont send someone to jail without telling him why, well at least not in democratic countries.

Why does AAfitz care if b.k. is a flaming homosexual or not? He should be able to express his sexuality and preferences all he wants. Pass the ball to AA for pure and blatant bigotry, score for 3 points!

Strife wrote:Why does AAfitz care if b.k. is a flaming homosexual or not? He should be able to express his sexuality and preferences all he wants. Pass the ball to AA for pure and blatant bigotry, score for 3 points!

Im sorry if you misunderstood "flaming" to mean something other than a form of discourse on the internet, usually with personal attacks and profanity, but that was the meaning of the word, as I used it.

Further, as sure as I am of why Bk got banned, which was from reading his posts, I am also sure of his stated sexual preference, not to mention his opinion of homosexuality. But neither apply here or are relevant and are his business and choice.

AAFitz wrote:

Strife wrote:Why does AAfitz care if b.k. is a flaming homosexual or not? He should be able to express his sexuality and preferences all he wants. Pass the ball to AA for pure and blatant bigotry, score for 3 points!

Im sorry if you misunderstood "flaming" to mean something other than a form of discourse on the internet, usually with personal attacks and profanity, but that was the meaning of the word, as I used it.

Further, as sure as I am of why Bk got banned, which was from reading his posts, I am also sure of his stated sexual preference, not to mention his opinion of homosexuality. But neither apply here or are relevant and are his business and choice.

Oh you meant an offensively based post intended to disrupt a persons emotions and twist them into the direction of sadness and anger? Why didn't you just say so.

That's weird if you in fact didn't get it. Did you forget about it after a month? Anywho, I sent a PM with the information.

His inbox was probably full so my guess is it got bumped.

azezzo wrote:shouldnt there be some sort of computer generated pm sent when someone is banned at least, You dont send someone to jail without telling him why, well at least not in democratic countries.

this site is NOT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. that's the flaw with all you people who flame and spam and everything else. you guys all think that this is a democracy when its not. the admins have the final say and i am sick of people that keep getting 30 day bans then coming back and complaining about it. look the mods have made it very clear YOU FLAME YOU GET BANNED.

Maybe they didn't want to shutdown the server by listing everyreason why they forum banned you. I understand 10gig word documents can play merry havic with systems.

BoganGod wrote:Maybe they didn't want to shutdown the server by listing everyreason why they forum banned you. I understand 10gig word documents can play merry havic with systems.

lol good one

AAFitz wrote:

In any case, enrollment slides every summer, and does not increase until the fall again.

Still practicing up for that dreamed of day they finally make you a mod eh fitz? Actually cc's membership has been sliding since well before the summer months, but i'm sure your sychophantic effort here will not go unnoticed.

[quote=aafitz]Flamewars is no long around. Explicit flaming is now an offense that results in diciplinary action, including "banz." Further, Ill assume you were given other banz before, and warnings, which is why this one was longer.
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"Explicit flaming", hmm let's see what fitz's idea of "explicit flaming" is. As per a PM i just received from nightstrike, i was band for telling (you guessed it!) fitz that he was acting like a little girl with her panties in a wad. This was after he kept harping away at a minor point, more than derailing a thread with some petty argument about whether or not he used the word "obnoxious" or not, which elicited said "flame" from me. Now i'm sure my "flame" caused incalculable damage to his self esteem, and probably sent innumerable folks scurrying for the safety of a more family friendly environment, but i'll be enough of a pain in the arse to mention that if you scanned the forum right now you'd probably find worse.

Note to self: do not speak disparagingly of those who make a habit of kissing up to the mods.


Honibaz

jpcloet wrote:His inbox was probably full so my guess is it got bumped.

Nice try. I had 5 PMs in my inbox. Too much?


Honibaz

targetman377 wrote:

azezzo wrote:shouldnt there be some sort of computer generated pm sent when someone is banned at least, You dont send someone to jail without telling him why, well at least not in democratic countries.

this site is NOT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. that's the flaw with all you people who flame and spam and everything else. you guys all think that this is a democracy when its not. the admins have the final say and i am sick of people that keep getting 30 day bans then coming back and complaining about it. look the mods have made it very clear YOU FLAME YOU GET BANNED.

Alright calm down jerk off.

nagerous wrote:

targetman377 wrote:

azezzo wrote:shouldnt there be some sort of computer generated pm sent when someone is banned at least, You dont send someone to jail without telling him why, well at least not in democratic countries.

this site is NOT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. that's the flaw with all you people who flame and spam and everything else. you guys all think that this is a democracy when its not. the admins have the final say and i am sick of people that keep getting 30 day bans then coming back and complaining about it. look the mods have made it very clear YOU FLAME YOU GET BANNED.

Alright calm down jerk off.

A good wank always calms me down.

b.k. barunt wrote:

AAFitz wrote:

In any case, enrollment slides every summer, and does not increase until the fall again.

Still practicing up for that dreamed of day they finally make you a mod eh fitz? Actually cc's membership has been sliding since well before the summer months, but i'm sure your sychophantic effort here will not go unnoticed.

aafitz wrote:Flamewars is no long around. Explicit flaming is now an offense that results in diciplinary action, including "banz." Further, Ill assume you were given other banz before, and warnings, which is why this one was longer.

"Explicit flaming", hmm let's see what fitz's idea of "explicit flaming" is. As per a PM i just received from nightstrike, i was band for telling (you guessed it!) fitz that he was acting like a little girl with her panties in a wad. This was after he kept harping away at a minor point, more than derailing a thread with some petty argument about whether or not he used the word "obnoxious" or not, which elicited said "flame" from me. Now i'm sure my "flame" caused incalculable damage to his self esteem, and probably sent innumerable folks scurrying for the safety of a more family friendly environment, but i'll be enough of a pain in the arse to mention that if you scanned the forum right now you'd probably find worse.

Note to self: do not speak disparagingly of those who make a habit of kissing up to the mods.


Honibaz

Actually, I had no idea it was a flame against me. If they asked for my opinion, Id let you say whatever you want to me. As far as you thinking I want to be a mod...well, as I said, when asked, I decided not to, and really have more fun now that I decided not even to be in team CC.

As far as being a minor point in the thread, you were saying I was lying, and then went on to make up the fact that I called you "rude and obnoxious" It seemed relevant enough to me to ask you where I ever used those words...which of course, I didnt. I think finding an example of someone making up facts after they call you a liar is fairly relevant to any discussion. It does tend to lend some idea as to credibility.

In any case I really was just discussing the situation, as I am now. Im sorry you got personal and went too far and got banned, but I cant control that. Its pretty easy to argue these points without becoming personal, and certainly its easy to do it without flaming. I am sorry it was our conversation that resulted in your ban though. If you read through, its very obvious Im only countering your opinion with mine, and I honestly dont know why you take it so personally, or why it gets so personal, especially when it is you who essentially fight for the right to express ones opinion freely.

Anyways, sorry it was our discussion that got you banned. I think its important to have differing ideas on a forum like this, both for content, and entertainment. As I mentioned before, if you can simply discuss the issues, and not resort to personal insults and flaming, im sure you wont be banned again. Its really that simple I think. Good luck with it, and sorry again.

Timminz wrote:

nagerous wrote:

targetman377 wrote:

azezzo wrote:shouldnt there be some sort of computer generated pm sent when someone is banned at least, You dont send someone to jail without telling him why, well at least not in democratic countries.

this site is NOT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. that's the flaw with all you people who flame and spam and everything else. you guys all think that this is a democracy when its not. the admins have the final say and i am sick of people that keep getting 30 day bans then coming back and complaining about it. look the mods have made it very clear YOU FLAME YOU GET BANNED.

Alright calm down jerk off.

A good wank always calms me down.

True, I just had one and am a lot calmer now.

Hrmm, well, i guess it couldn't hurt . . . just a little one maybe . . . is such behavior bannable? . . . Awhellwithit

<wanks one out and falls over backwards in chair>


Ahhhhhhh
Honibaz

b.k. barunt in "the world is out to get me" shocker.

niMic wrote:b.k. barunt in "the world is out to get me" shocker.

Tired and typical response to legitimate concerns of favoritism. If the supposed recipient didn't even object to whatever barunt got banned for, which is what Fitz said here, and it was mild (panties in a wad is flame while other stuff that's tossed around isn't??!!) then barunt was likely being targeted, so saying so is just saying so.

Let's even suggest that Fitz could be lying; that he could've reported "panties in a wad" to a mod. Again, MILD compared to stuff that mods let go with, "use ignore."

Panties in a wad is bannable now? I think half the mods on this site should ban each other; I'm sure I've seen many of them make that claim about people.

stahrgazer wrote:

niMic wrote:b.k. barunt in "the world is out to get me" shocker.

Tired and typical response to legitimate concerns of favoritism. If the supposed recipient didn't even object to whatever barunt got banned for, which is what Fitz said here, and it was mild (panties in a wad is flame while other stuff that's tossed around isn't??!!) then barunt was likely being targeted, so saying so is just saying so.

Let's even suggest that Fitz could be lying; that he could've reported "panties in a wad" to a mod. Again, MILD compared to stuff that mods let go with, "use ignore."

Panties in a wad is bannable now? I think half the mods on this site should ban each other; I'm sure I've seen many of them make that claim about people.

Well, Ive been called far worse by bk, so this is hardly his worse stuff. As I mentioned before, I saw what I though were worse flames, but not aimed at me.

As far as my lying about reporting it, that is of course possible. I certainly dont remember reporting it if I did, and im not sure that technically matters anyways, because I dont think bk would object to someone flaming him, but that doesnt mean it wouldnt be bannable.

Either way, I do assume that that one line is what pushed it over the line, and is what was used as an explanation, while the other flames he was making at the time were factored in too. Not for me to say, or know. But if you see a case of me flaming someone, by all means report it. I try very hard not to make personal attacks, while discussing these topics.

niMic wrote:b.k. barunt in "the world is out to get me" shocker.

Ah yes - a typical passive aggressive (some would call it chickenshit) flame. You get brownie points for them? That was a rhetorical question btw. Attaboy!


Honibaz

When will these (former) Flamers stop infesting the board with their same old tired whining about the mods and unfair bans? I would suggest an immediate perma-ban but in my kindness I will accept an instant ban of 2 months and thread locking for any new threads like these.

AAFitz wrote:As far as my lying about reporting it, that is of course possible. I certainly dont remember reporting it if I did, and im not sure that technically matters anyways, because I dont think bk would object to someone flaming him, but that doesnt mean it wouldnt be bannable.

Of course it was possible, which is why I brought it up; possible, but.. you seem intelligent and i think reporting, "panties in a wad" is a bit dumb (mind you, that's a statement coming from someone who DOES report flames)

AAFitz wrote:Either way, I do assume that that one line is what pushed it over the line, and is what was used as an explanation, while the other flames he was making at the time were factored in too. Not for me to say, or know. But if you see a case of me flaming someone, by all means report it. I try very hard not to make personal attacks, while discussing these topics.

If "panties in a wad" can push something over the line, then "panties in a wad" should, itself, be considered an offense that merits a first warning.

If you didn't report it, then mods were hunting for it. If mods were hunting for it, that's targeting. If they're targeting bk for suggesting something about someone's panties, then they should target anyone for it.

I'm with you, Fitz, in that, I try hard not to flame. I didn't participate in flame wars, and used to ignore ALOT before reporting. Eventually, however, my tolerance was worn down because of protectionism; some hassles my way that were repetetive and unquestionably flames and baits and such, that weren't addressed because a mod was protecting the person. The mod has since admitted protecting the person, and apologized.

Good for the mod. The issue for me, however, is that CC policies still allow mods to target some while protecting others. If it can happen to me, it can happen to others.

Let's say bk makes a habit of nasty flames everywhere. Finally, he tones it down to "panties in a wad," which is something that would never be a warnable offense on CC. Is his use of "panties" an improvement over past behaviors? If he flamed as badly as you seem to indicate, then "panties" IS an improvement, and as such, he should be commended for the improvement rather than banned because he didn't achieve absolute perfection; ESPECIALLY since the supposed flame wouldn't get an eyelash-bat from anyone else - including you, the recipient.

Another perspective is, if you and bk are friends, but enjoy hacking away at each other with verbal swords, then, unless the posts get extreme, you two should be able to hack away. But just because you can hack at each other without penalty doesn't mean either of you should be able to hack the same way at someone else if whatever it is crosses grey areas.

I think you'd agree with that; I think bk would agree with that.

Disclaimer: use of AA and bk as discussion items is not intended as accusation against either party or flame thereof; any discomfort said use may have created is strictly unintended. The opinions expressed in this missive do NOT represent opinions of CC, its administration, moderation, or any subsidiary thereof... unfortunately