Conquer Club

sbuck143 wrote:So whats the explanation for how in 10 games here, the dice do things that I never saw in the 1000+ real Risk games I've played (conservatively).....

hwhrhett wrote:auto attack = death

stop using it, and youll feel more in control of your dice...

the reason you dont see it in real life games, is because instead of hitting auto attack, once you lose like 8 men in a row, you stop...

EDIT: you can also download the dizealyzer plugin from the plug-ins forum, and it will monitor your dice, and you will see very quickly that they are definately fair and balanced...

qwert wrote:You must understand that small number of players, get great dices and that large number of players get -well not so great dices.
If everybody manage to get same dices,then probably will have scoreboard without Fieldmarshals,Generals and other high ranks.
Random-means luck to be in good time in right place,to get great dices-some people have that, and probably you are not in this place.

qwert wrote:You must understand that small number of players, get great dices and that large number of players get -well not so great dices.
If everybody manage to get same dices,then probably will have scoreboard without Fieldmarshals,Generals and other high ranks.
Random-means luck to be in good time in right place,to get great dices-some people have that, and probably you are not in this place.

the.killing.44 wrote:

sbuck143 wrote:So whats the explanation for how in 10 games here, the dice do things that I never saw in the 1000+ real Risk games I've played (conservatively).....

Because only you and your personal opponents used the dice, and thus used the probability coming from that one source of the rolls, your physical dice, when you played in real life; on the site there are literally millions of rolls coming through every hour. You only see the 1-in-1,000,000 losses in years of playing by yourself, while here you don't see every single roll. The fact is that you, or your opponent, sometimes comes out with that 1-in-1,000,000th roll while you only see, say, 50 of them.

sbuck143 wrote:I have d/l'ed the plug-in but how about you tell me how many total rolls I should have before the results start to look fair and balanced?

sbuck143 wrote:Well then that pretty much says that while the rolls are random, the odds are most definitely not.

sbuck143 wrote:if i'm only plucking say, every 100th die roll out for my results, the mechanism for achieving randomness has been completely removed from the die roll, and is entirely dependent on that "plucking" mechanism.

sbuck143 wrote:What assurances do we have that whatever it is that plucks the data from the random number generator is doing so without bias or without a skewed protocol driving it?

qwert wrote:You must understand that small number of players, get great dices and that large number of players get -well not so great dices. As much as this may seem true with all the people complaining about their dice, and the relatively few who are positive about their dice, this is certainly not true. Everybody gets lucky, and everybody gets bad luck once in a while. The reason more people are negative than positive about dice, is because most people are expecting a lot from their dice.
If everybody manage to get same dices,then probably will have scoreboard without Fieldmarshals,Generals and other high ranks.
Actually, most Generals and Field Marshals know a lot more about luck than others, and have found a way to play with them to decrease the odds of losing and increase the odds of winning. If this game would be even less luck-based, scores would probably differ even more. Luck is actually the factor keeping the scores together.
Random-means luck to be in good time in right place,to get great dices- I don't know which University, High school or even elementary school you went to, but this is certainly not the definition of random.
some people have that, and probably you are not in this place. Again, dice don't depend on who they are rolling for. it's not about being in a lucky group or unlucky group. The dice are the same to everybody before they are rolled. after they are rolled, they are obviously different, but after a lot of dice-rolling, everybody should have had his fair share of winning.
If you ever hear somebody with more than 1000 games played say that he has been consistently unlucky in more than 90% of his games, odds are about 100% that he is just judging from a point of view in which he expects dice to be better than they are in average.

This wink you make here kind of annoyed me even more.

MrMoody wrote:6 completed, 5 (83%) won <--------- 5 out of 6 and the dice are crap? I guess the guys you beat should be the ones posting a thread like this.

sbuck143 wrote:i guess people aren't reading my post, or maybe its not clear enough? I'm about ready to walk away from this game entirely because i see it happening everywhere. This isn't a "waaaaaaaaah i lost 40 v 3" post........check my profile I'm doing pretty well for myself so far.


No, this is a "I've been on the 3 side of that 40 v 3 and escaped too many times in JUST ONE week of playing this game" type of post. Its ruining the fun of some otherwise *kick-butt* maps here.

72o wrote:

MrMoody wrote:6 completed, 5 (83%) won <--------- 5 out of 6 and the dice are crap? I guess the guys you beat should be the ones posting a thread like this.

sbuck143 wrote:i guess people aren't reading my post, or maybe its not clear enough? I'm about ready to walk away from this game entirely because i see it happening everywhere. This isn't a "waaaaaaaaah i lost 40 v 3" post........check my profile I'm doing pretty well for myself so far.


No, this is a "I've been on the 3 side of that 40 v 3 and escaped too many times in JUST ONE week of playing this game" type of post. Its ruining the fun of some otherwise *kick-butt* maps here.

72o wrote:

sbuck143 wrote:i guess people aren't reading my post, or maybe its not clear enough? I'm about ready to walk away from this game entirely because i see it happening everywhere. This isn't a "waaaaaaaaah i lost 40 v 3" post........check my profile I'm doing pretty well for myself so far.


No, this is a "I've been on the 3 side of that 40 v 3 and escaped too many times in JUST ONE week of playing this game" type of post. Its ruining the fun of some otherwise *kick-butt* maps here.

hwhrhett wrote:auto attack = death

stop using it, and youll feel more in control of your dice...

the reason you dont see it in real life games, is because instead of hitting auto attack, once you lose like 8 men in a row, you stop...

EDIT: you can also download the dizealyzer plugin from the plug-ins forum, and it will monitor your dice, and you will see very quickly that they are definately fair and balanced...

MrMoody wrote:

72o wrote:

sbuck143 wrote:i guess people aren't reading my post, or maybe its not clear enough? I'm about ready to walk away from this game entirely because i see it happening everywhere. This isn't a "waaaaaaaaah i lost 40 v 3" post........check my profile I'm doing pretty well for myself so far.


No, this is a "I've been on the 3 side of that 40 v 3 and escaped too many times in JUST ONE week of playing this game" type of post. Its ruining the fun of some otherwise *kick-butt* maps here.

I did read that the first time. But I just don't believe he would be to the point of walking away. Not after winning his first 5 out of 6. What the dice are to much to his advantage?

Really qwert, every statement you make in this post is false. Together with the crappy english and know-it-all tone, your posts are of great annoyance to me
This is the first time that that annoyance has overpowered my respect for your mapmaking, and I decided to finally say something about it

qwert wrote:

Really qwert, every statement you make in this post is false. Together with the crappy english and know-it-all tone, your posts are of great annoyance to me
This is the first time that that annoyance has overpowered my respect for your mapmaking, and I decided to finally say something about it

Are you want to tell me that you get same dices like me?Lets play 5 games in normal maps(i mean maps who dont give big advantage to nobody).This experiment will show if im wrong or right.Mine oppinion is that you will get more lucky dices then me.
Mine english is bad,not crappy. Try to learn mine language,and you will see that its not easy.

qwert wrote:

Really qwert, every statement you make in this post is false. Together with the crappy english and know-it-all tone, your posts are of great annoyance to me
This is the first time that that annoyance has overpowered my respect for your mapmaking, and I decided to finally say something about it

Are you want to tell me that you get same dices like me?Lets play 5 games in normal maps(i mean maps who dont give big advantage to nobody).This experiment will show if im wrong or right.Mine oppinion is that you will get more lucky dices then me.
Mine english is bad,not crappy. Try to learn mine language,and you will see that its not easy.

sbuck143 wrote:

MrMoody wrote:

72o wrote:

sbuck143 wrote:i guess people aren't reading my post, or maybe its not clear enough? I'm about ready to walk away from this game entirely because i see it happening everywhere. This isn't a "waaaaaaaaah i lost 40 v 3" post........check my profile I'm doing pretty well for myself so far.


No, this is a "I've been on the 3 side of that 40 v 3 and escaped too many times in JUST ONE week of playing this game" type of post. Its ruining the fun of some otherwise *kick-butt* maps here.

I did read that the first time. But I just don't believe he would be to the point of walking away. Not after winning his first 5 out of 6. What the dice are to much to his advantage?

It's not that they are too much to my advantage. What i'm discovering is that they are too much to the defenders advantage. No matter if I'm defending or if its one of my opponents. And of course, I'd walk away despite having success. Just because i'm able to use this skew to my advantage doesn't mean its particularly fun or nearly as fun as it would be with a proper random distribution for both offense and defense.

Are you saying that if you discovered a glitch that caused you to roll all 6's as a defender or force the attacker to roll all 1's that you wouldnt walk away from a game with that?

Mr Changsha wrote:

sbuck143 wrote:It's not that they are too much to my advantage. What i'm discovering is that they are too much to the defenders advantage. No matter if I'm defending or if its one of my opponents. And of course, I'd walk away despite having success. Just because i'm able to use this skew to my advantage doesn't mean its particularly fun or nearly as fun as it would be with a proper random distribution for both offense and defense.

Are you saying that if you discovered a glitch that caused you to roll all 6's as a defender or force the attacker to roll all 1's that you wouldnt walk away from a game with that?

I've been playing here for a while and I've rolled countless CC Dice (sorry assault cubes). Maybe you'll find my perspective useful, but then again, maybe you won't!

1. Don't use the dice analyser download. That way leads to madness my friend, as devotees tend to find themselves posting their results in GD (or now sugs and bugs) to PROVE their dice are screwed...in a more than slightly obsessive fashion. The fact that if the dice truly were random then some players would get better dice than others (even over a long period) seem to pass them by...

2. Some games are more dice dependent than others, thus making the players of that style feel that dice are winning/losing games for them. 1vs1 would be the best example of this, but even dubs trips and quads can have that..."It's all about the dice" feeling. One of the reasons I play large multiplayer games is that I believe the dice are less of a factor.

3. I have to agree with you that it does SEEM that the defender rolls an uncommonly large number of 5's and 6's. Almost all players have found this, though whether this is a question of perception or actual fact is hard to say. However, we are all in the same boat and if one can accept that CC defenders seem to have that little bit of extra punch, then one can adjust their strategy accordingly.

4. To keep sane, if you are playing 1on1, 2on2, trips and quads consider the luck of starting order, position AND dice when analysing the game. Maybe your dice were horrific, but did you start first, how was your drop? I've found that games tend to even out on the luck factor if thought of in this way.

5. If you've played Risk as much as you say you have, then you'll know that 6 on 3 up to 10 on 3 rolls are actually pretty risky. For example, 8 on 3 often seems like it should be a cinch, but lose 2 then lose 2 (hardly unusual) = 4 on 3 and you should then, strategically, probably stop (not always but I'm sure you see my point). Have that happen to you three times in a game and the temptation to scream "the dice are screwed!!" is obviously pretty high. But in fact it is actually pretty normal.

sbuck143 wrote:Yeah, I'm not stating at all that the dice are unfair to me.....its thats defender dice seem to be unfair to everyone. As you can tell from my record, I've developed some good strategies to take advantage of this, but it still is sapping some of the enjoyment of the game for me.

Yeah 8 v 3 , and 6 v 3 are by no means gimmes, but i've seen in one game alone 7 consecutive 6 v 3 assaults that end with the attacker calling it off, over the course of 3 turns. Some by me, some by my opponents.