Conquer Club

people are all saying the same; go for a scum instead of a miser. and almost no one is putting pressure on the 2 cases here; edoc& mets.

betiko wrote:people are all saying the same; go for a scum instead of a miser. and almost no one is putting pressure on the 2 cases here; edoc& mets.

There is no case against me, just your "scumdar." I saw an obvious discrepancy between what the two misers were claiming, and if it's innocuous then no problem, but to suggest it isn't worth checking out is ridiculous.

betiko wrote:people are all saying the same; go for a scum instead of a miser. and almost no one is putting pressure on the 2 cases here; edoc& mets.

So what was the case? I seemed to have missed it. I guess I must have just been too inactive.






(sarcasm, I know some people won't get it.)

edocsil wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:

edocsil wrote:Who the hell do you think we is? Town should kill both misers.

I do not like edocs response at all to the heat on him. But quite honestly, if I know anything about this fora, edoc is a seasoned player and I don't ever see him making such a ridiculous slip as that. He will just get an official FOS from me.

I don't really think we should remove the misers from the game yet. Yes, they are not guaranteed town votes, but they are just as suspect to get nightkilled by mafia as we are, so I think they will be voting with us at least for now. And they are a "safe" person to bus with if we have a bus driver in the game. Instead of bussing with someone scummy, they could bus with a miser for a guaranteed non-town kill.

Upon more reading perhaps annihilating the misers is a bad idea. I still think we should hang the heat miser (he isn't in to win it for Christmas) and see if it endgames cold/snow/whatever. If it does, he was telling the truth and we have 2 less people likely to axe us in the back. If it doesn't then perhaps we can consider LAL. It's not like it will end the game for us, and it could take out a complication we simply don't need.

Also thanks for the respect to assume that "we" wasn't scum. If someone tried to pursue more of a case against me with that, I not quite sure what I would have done ><

You just said annihilating the misers is a bad idea, then proceeded to say we should hang the Heat Miser and possibly endgame for the Snow Miser? Isn't that quite... contradictory?

betiko wrote:people are all saying the same; go for a scum instead of a miser. and almost no one is putting pressure on the 2 cases here; edoc& mets.

There were votes cast against them since you last complained that nobody's doing anything (though I'm not particularly convinced by the case against mets). They may not have replied directly to the claims made against them, but I don't think they've said anything new that's scummy. At least there still is discussion going on.

Vote Count

Spiesr - 3 (Nendreel, Little Witt, soundman)
Mets - 1 (Betiko)
Edocsil - 2 (thechuck, animaniacks)

anamainiacks wrote:You just said annihilating the misers is a bad idea, then proceeded to say we should hang the Heat Miser and possibly endgame for the Snow Miser? Isn't that quite... contradictory?

I was considering just killing them both to prevent either from winning, but I think we can remove both from play with one winning without any adverse effects vs town. To me Annihilation =/= Winning.

At least for me, the miser situation does not seem very threatening as of now, if indeed what they say is true. Also, I do not think that Snow is better than Heat or vice versa. I re-read D2 and besides the Miser brothers, the only thing coming up on my radar is edocsil.
FOS spiesr, soundman, edoicil

betiko wrote:people are all saying the same; go for a scum instead of a miser. and almost no one is putting pressure on the 2 cases here; edoc& mets.

Well I am fine going with day 1 style, and just pressuring the "lucky winner" to claim next. General consensus is that the misers are not a threat right now. And the 2 "cases" are extremely weak. There are no real slips right now, we don't have Day 1 vote trends to work with, and no one produced any leads overnight. So we are still mostly in the dark besides these 3rd party claims.

I am also fine with following our cop or whatever he is that is close to a cop. He is the most credible person we have right now.

Not that I expect him to have any extra info than he has provided, but he is the "most town" out of everyone right now

Okay…. since Betiko keeps barking at us for not creating any leads/cases, I will provide some more research:

Here is the number of posts each player has made. Obviously, take these numbers as a grain of salt (is that the right phrase?). Meaning, this research is merely numbers and may not truly reflect how active each player is. For instance, I know I am a serial double and triple poster. So my number is a little inflated.

Sorted by quantity of posts, stated count AFTER confirm post.

betiko - 50
rishaed - 24
superkeener - 19
MoB Deadly - 18
Nendreel - 18
spiesr - 16 (came in late)
anamainiacks - 16
Metsfanmax - 14
jonty125 - 14
Kanin Usagi - 12
edocsil - 11
NoSurvivors - 10 (studying)
soundman - 9
thechuck51 - 8
Little Witt - 7 (grounded)
Iron Butterfly - 5

Based on this information I will Vote IMB for scummarining. I would like an explanation for his lack of contributions.

MoB Deadly wrote:Okay…. since Betiko keeps barking at us for not creating any leads/cases, I will provide some more research:

Here is the number of posts each player has made. Obviously, take these numbers as a grain of salt (is that the right phrase?). Meaning, this research is merely numbers and may not truly reflect how active each player is. For instance, I know I am a serial double and triple poster. So my number is a little inflated.

Sorted by quantity of posts, stated count AFTER confirm post.

betiko - 50
rishaed - 24
superkeener - 19
MoB Deadly - 18
Nendreel - 18
spiesr - 16 (came in late)
anamainiacks - 16
Metsfanmax - 14
jonty125 - 14
Kanin Usagi - 12
edocsil - 11
NoSurvivors - 10 (studying)
soundman - 9
thechuck51 - 8
Little Witt - 7 (grounded)
Iron Butterfly - 5

Based on this information I will Vote IMB for scummarining. I would like an explanation for his lack of contributions.

Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.

MoB Deadly wrote:Okay…. since Betiko keeps barking at us for not creating any leads/cases, I will provide some more research:

Here is the number of posts each player has made. Obviously, take these numbers as a grain of salt (is that the right phrase?). Meaning, this research is merely numbers and may not truly reflect how active each player is. For instance, I know I am a serial double and triple poster. So my number is a little inflated.

Hahaha, that's quite some research there. And since you asked - the phrase should be, "with a pinch of salt" (:

edocsil wrote:Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.

While good players aren't going to be caught scumarining, less experienced players might be less skilled in avoiding the unwanted type of attention and just try to lay low.

edocsil wrote:Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.

I know Edoc, that's why I said accept this research only for what it is worth. (which isn't much). But, we didn't have any scumslips as of yet. We have no D1 voting trends to build off of. We haven't had any leads generated from night actions overnight.

So I default back to Day 1 types of cases. I think lack of activity could be a nice starting point. Then we can regenerate discussion, or we could pressure for a claim to give us any more information.

I am not saying, IMB is inactive let's lynch him now. I merely put my vote on him so I can get an explanation/excuse as to why he is fairly inactive. Based on his response, we can choose to let him go or we could pressure for a claim. And/or it at least generates conversation and keeps this game moving forward

MoB Deadly wrote:

edocsil wrote:Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.

I know Edoc, that's why I said accept this research only for what it is worth. (which isn't much). But, we didn't have any scumslips as of yet. We have no D1 voting trends to build off of. We haven't had any leads generated from night actions overnight.

So I default back to Day 1 types of cases. I think lack of activity could be a nice starting point. Then we can regenerate discussion, or we could pressure for a claim to give us any more information.

I am not saying, IMB is inactive let's lynch him now. I merely put my vote on him so I can get an explanation/excuse as to why he is fairly inactive. Based on his response, we can choose to let him go or we could pressure for a claim. And/or it at least generates conversation and keeps this game moving forward

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its also quite within his META, for what its worth I guess I don't see him post a lot, but when he posts there is usually a good bit of Substance in the post. I admit I am at a loss though on who to go for, there isn't a convincing case so far.

rishaed wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:

edocsil wrote:Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.

I know Edoc, that's why I said accept this research only for what it is worth. (which isn't much). But, we didn't have any scumslips as of yet. We have no D1 voting trends to build off of. We haven't had any leads generated from night actions overnight.

So I default back to Day 1 types of cases. I think lack of activity could be a nice starting point. Then we can regenerate discussion, or we could pressure for a claim to give us any more information.

I am not saying, IMB is inactive let's lynch him now. I merely put my vote on him so I can get an explanation/excuse as to why he is fairly inactive. Based on his response, we can choose to let him go or we could pressure for a claim. And/or it at least generates conversation and keeps this game moving forward

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its also quite within his META, for what its worth I guess I don't see him post a lot, but when he posts there is usually a good bit of Substance in the post. I admit I am at a loss though on who to go for, there isn't a convincing case so far.

well look through his posts. I dont think hes added much of anything really of value. And this must be (newer) meta, when I used to play IMB was one of the most active in each game. But that also ended up to him starting arguments with 1-2 players so maybe that is why he cut back.

I will say this only once. At present I am going through a separation with wife. I have time to take turns in some games and I have tried to post once a day. As of the last three weeks this has been the norm in all my games. I will admit I have not been as active as I would like...but it is what it is.

I find HUGE irony in MOB calling me out for scummarining as he has all but made that tactic the norm for all the games he has played. So MOB if I say, "Sorry Im catching up now." Will that give me a pass like it has for you in the past

I've already stated that if I had a choice between Spiesr and sound man I would lynch soundman. I would be equally inclined to vote spiesr.

Vote Soundman

Heres why. We have two third parties already, which changes the ratio of mafia to town. Heat Miser and Cold Miser were not the only bad guys in this series. I think it is important to find the "color" of these guys.

Away from my comp, so I might resort to choppy English. Try to bear with me.

Re:Mets: I don't think the Snow/Cold discrepency is big enough to mean anything. Especially since both spi and sound are claiming 3P, it's not like a slip will make things worse.

Re:IB: IB raises a good point about the colours of 3P. I don't know if it is relevent, but spi was not marked with the usual 3P Orange in my report.

Have we been given a deadline yet?

Iron Butterfly wrote:I will say this only once. At present I am going through a separation with wife. I have time to take turns in some games and I have tried to post once a day. As of the last three weeks this has been the norm in all my games. I will admit I have not been as active as I would like...but it is what it is.

I find HUGE irony in MOB calling me out for scummarining as he has all but made that tactic the norm for all the games he has played. So MOB if I say, "Sorry Im catching up now." Will that give me a pass like it has for you in the past

I've already stated that if I had a choice between Spiesr and sound man I would lynch soundman. I would be equally inclined to vote spiesr.

Vote Soundman

Heres why. We have two third parties already, which changes the ratio of mafia to town. Heat Miser and Cold Miser were not the only bad guys in this series. I think it is important to find the "color" of these guys.

Why lynch the survivor instead of the claimed lyncher? If you want to know our "color" then lynch the lyncher, Spiesr.

soundman wrote:Why lynch the survivor instead of the claimed lyncher? If you want to know our "color" then lynch the lyncher, Spiesr.

Because you are most likely also a lyncher and just lying about it?

spiesr wrote:

soundman wrote:Why lynch the survivor instead of the claimed lyncher? If you want to know our "color" then lynch the lyncher, Spiesr.

Because you are most likely also a lyncher and just lying about it?

This^

The minute he was found out, Spiesr was very open with us. So, when its your word against his, his cred is greater than your's so far.

I respect IMB's excuse - unvote. And nice rebuttle, you are 100% right, I will guarantee say that exact phrase at some point through this game

MoB Deadly wrote:I respect IMB's excuse - unvote. And nice rebuttle, you are 100% right, I will guarantee say that exact phrase at some point through this game

Why do you keep on calling IB "IMB"? there's not a single M in his username and you've been confusing me a little, lol

other than this, I guess its too late to start a forcing a claim now, people with something to hide will dodge it easy till the deadline.

As I said before, I'd like spiesr to vote soundman cause i'd rather not see him hammer.

betiko wrote:

MoB Deadly wrote:I respect IMB's excuse - unvote. And nice rebuttle, you are 100% right, I will guarantee say that exact phrase at some point through this game

Why do you keep on calling IB "IMB"? there's not a single M in his username and you've been confusing me a little, lol

other than this, I guess its too late to start a forcing a claim now, people with something to hide will dodge it easy till the deadline.

As I said before, I'd like spiesr to vote soundman cause i'd rather not see him hammer.

OOPS. There's a guy in my clan - ironmanbravo and I always call him IMB. I have no idea why I gave that nickname to IB lol.

See this is exactly what I did not want. 2 days in a row we leave with no voting trends. Now mafia has a narrowed scope of who to shoot as we had multiple 3party claims.

We need to get ourselves organized and stop giving the mafia free night kills. And/or stop relying on night actions to get info.

Just to keep from getting a 2 days without a kill, I will have to go with my previous tendency and VOTE spiesr

The other options that I previously mentioned haven't moved me enough to push for a vote on them. Even though I still have FoS on a couple of other players, this is how I fell I should currently vote.