Rodion wrote:You missed the point. The issue is not verbal tenses, but taking an useless flavour piece from your role PM and misleading everyone.
That's just the thing. I wasn't taking flavor whatsoever. I don't even think there was enough in the role pm to be flavor. It was quite bare bones, imo. I just read word for word what the role pm said, no more, no less. I didn't mislead anyone- I was 100% honest about my claim.
However, I was bothered when I was accused of lying/misleading. Someone having a misunderstanding is not the same as me lying or being misleading. There are some games that I definitely do lie, as it's part of playing mafia. This was one of the few games that I actually did not lie for once- so it's kinda annoying that I'm being accused of that. Or of purposely misleading the town. I didn't actually see many up in arms about my claim, unless they choose not to say anything about it at the time.
Rodion wrote: It should be obvious that the "trying to live life" bit of your PM was just for flavour, but you managed to make the point that your saint was alive when all catholic saints are, by definition, dead. The expectation was that you were either the Pope or some other really good-hearted contemporary human being, not some lady who died more than 500 years ago.
Well that was definitely the wrong expectation- I don't know how you even deduce that. As I've said many many times before- it's a game not real life. Who cares about sainthood, Catholicism, the Pope or how whatever works in real life. I'm simply talking about the game and nothing beyond. I don't care about the real life definition of a saint. I only care about the definition of a saint within the context of the game.
The part of my role pm that said "trying to live life," was not flavor to me, but an explanation of my role. From my understanding, we had angels and demons (dead), and humans (alive). I was a human, and saint was just the type of human I was. It would've been incorrect to say that I was dead, when I wasn't.
Rodion wrote:After you fully claimed and I went back to reading every post of yours to see whether the claim was compatible to the way you had been playing (something I always do as it may help see through a fakeclaim), I noticed the contradiction. Sucks that you had to feel threatened and vote me, but I'm not going to let something as fishy as your claim fly just because I had someone else higher in my suspicion list (do notice that nothing kept me from asking multiple questions to multiple people simulteaneously - the fact I asked you a question did not stop me from also interrogating PCM, which I did).
What contradiction did you notice? As yes, quite funny that my claim was "fishy" as it was pretty much as word-for-word as could be possible without directly quoting. I still don't get why something so trivial as me being alive is so important to you. Or why you feel that elements in the game need to be the exact way as they are in real life. I thought the whole point of creating a game was so that you could have your characters do whatever they wanted in that alternate universe you created for the context of the game. It doesn't have to go by real life rules.
Rodion wrote:Not sure if you'll understand, so I'll agree with the recommendation that you bury it.
No, I definitely do not understand your line of view, as you don't understand mind. From my perspective you are taking all these non-game elements and using them to analyze the game and you're looking for stuff that's not there. I think that just results in making things complicated and confusing when they shouldn't be. We are just thinking completely differently about it. So at this point, we'll just agree to disagree.
VioIet wrote:Hmm, Rodion, I know you aren't a native speaker of English, so perhaps that's where the confusion lies.
No offense but now you're just being spiteful.
None taken. But I guess just equally as spiteful as someone telling me that I would think "had watched," equals "Watcher."
aage wrote:Since, to my knowledge, everyone was confused by your claim, you also seem to be suggesting that all the players in this game must be non native speakers, or just suck at their mother tongue
Well those are your words, not mine. But yes, that would be unfortunate if so. I've always been big on wording, and normally seem to think others are likewise. But I guess not.
aage wrote:While all that happened was that you just focussed on trivial details in your role pm that had nothing to do with the game. You ignore meta but do choose to go into the flavour of your pm? That is simply hypocritical.
With all due respect, I honestly don't think I was the one who focused on such a trivial detail. Not to begin with, that is. It was after I claimed, that someone else seemed to focus too much on me saying that I was alive. Something like that would've never bothered me in the first place, honestly.
I never thought me saying "I'm still alive," would be such a friggin big deal.
I still don't regret it, since it's true! I stand behind everything I've said so far. And again, I understand that we disagree and we can just leave it at that.
aage wrote:But I am also on the verge of being spiteful so I will stop this battle of having the last word now.
Be as spiteful as you want, I don't give a care. Just depends on how much you think it's worth it to be spiteful over a disagreement about a trivial game detail. Suit yourself.