Conquer Club

Well we learned two things. Firstly, it seems like mafia or anti town roles tend to be monsters. I suppose we could have some anti town human hybrids, but the flavor seems to indicate mostly monsters.

As for the dreamer king, I assume it has something to do with the other planes of existence. Monsters who cross over into our realm use portals. One of the ways we can fight back is to travel to their realm while asleep and fight them on their plane. Of course, this generally comes with the risk of losing one's sanity. I'd hazard a guess and say that soundman had some sort of night action that would help town. Not 100% sure though.

Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES


boy, does that feel better.
now, does shoggoth count as town blue or as non-town not-blue? it was clearly a different color, but what of it? i did some research, but could not determine enough (due to my limited knowledge of lovecraft) to tell what alignment shoggoth would be.

as for doom, yesterday, i asked you to give us your alignment because i was looking for the info on you, to see if it could shed some light on the case you built.

vodean wrote:Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES


boy, does that feel better.
now, does shoggoth count as town blue or as non-town not-blue? it was clearly a different color, but what of it? i did some research, but could not determine enough (due to my limited knowledge of lovecraft) to tell what alignment shoggoth would be.

as for doom, yesterday, i asked you to give us your alignment because i was looking for the info on you, to see if it could shed some light on the case you built.

Why does it feel better saying what you said? You cant expect to say something, in this case an incantation to raise the dead (at least i believe it is from the Wiki though Kuranes is not included) and not expect to be questioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth

I am curious Vodean, you keep speaking of alignment so who exactly do you think are the good guys and bad guys? The reason color was off because it was a seperate faction from traditional Town, Mafia, Third Party. seems to me its a fourth or maybe fifth party. Who knows.

With 25 players and 1 death it is obvious that cult is recruiting.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

vodean wrote:Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES


boy, does that feel better.

Why does it feel better saying what you said? You cant expect to say something, in this case an incantation to raise the dead (at least i believe it is from the Wiki though Kuranes is not included) and not expect to be questioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth

Kuranes was the name of soundman's character that was killed in the night.. so this would appear to be a resurrection of soundman (or at least an attempt to do so).

vodean wrote:Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES


boy, does that feel better.
now, does shoggoth count as town blue or as non-town not-blue? it was clearly a different color, but what of it? i did some research, but could not determine enough (due to my limited knowledge of lovecraft) to tell what alignment shoggoth would be.

as for doom, yesterday, i asked you to give us your alignment because i was looking for the info on you, to see if it could shed some light on the case you built.

Ok, so now that we see that my case was 100% dead on, does it still matter to you?

Slumber, watcher, till the spheres,

Night One wrote:amphibious humanoids walked upon land, seeking the means to free their master

Seems like a masoned group who have lost their leader. Probably third party, may win if they find their leader may become an SK group any other ideas?

Night One wrote:Most notably, the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth spread their wing-like appendages on the surface for the first time since the last ice age, their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air. A sleeping homeless man was their unfortunate target of choice tonight

I would say this is another mason group; possibly with a lyncher/lynchee mechanism?

pancakemix wrote:I think the fact that Elon WAS lying was the most hilarious thing.

More later, I sleep now.

Check the scene.. I think Elon was painted purple for a reason. Hopefully / can varify whether or not he was supposed to be blue... Especially since no real roles are given in the scenes!

From what I take from my pm and probably others have similar pm's is that we are given a title or short descriptive words and our powers are put into a small abilities list. Although it'd be more useful to us having that info at least when they die :/

however it helps in some cases the scum/cult more than town. . . sorry i have to say it.

So far, no one has made the effort to post these connections yet, so I guess I'll bring it up.

From the night 1 scene, we get a bunch fairly vague statements about a ton of various things. BUT, we do get over very clear statement about the death scene:

Night 1 Scene wrote:the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth ... their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air.

That first bold, I will come back to later, but the second bold does indeed lend itself to a lyncher/lynchee mechanic present in the game. But who is the lyncher and who is the lyncher's target? Well, from the first bold we get "former masters and creators of the Shoggoth." Well with a little wiki magic...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/shoggoth wrote:The shoggoths were created by the Elder Things. Being amorphous, they could take on any shape needed, making them very versatile within their aquatic environment. Though able to "understand" the Elder Things' language, they had no real consciousness and were controlled through hypnotic suggestion.

The Elder Things are described by the wiki as being "vegetable-like in shape... they had a five-lobed brain... The technology that the Elder Things possessed was not described at length, but was described as being extremely advanced... The Elder Things are known to have warred against the star-spawn of Cthulhu, the Great Race of Yith, and the Mi-go."
So, we now know of at least two new parties: The Elder Things (Possible lyncher) and their "target." Although the wiki doesn't explicitly state who their target might be, it does have that nice passage about who they warred against: The star-spawn of Cthulhu, the Great Race of Yith, and the Mi-go, and one of these could indeed be the target. Which means we know we have at least four parties: humans/town, the Shoggoth (who may/may not be allied with the Elder Things), the Elder Things, and the target of the elder things. And we know that the elder things are the ones who killed soundman.

Oh, and Vodean? Were you attempting to revive soundman?

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Time to put my money where my mouth was. I still think you're our best lead today Vodean.

@ Rishead ... you didn't vote.

Elon must be third party, IMHO. Assuming that is the case then he's not scum, so where does that leave us? Maybe Vode can shed some light on the situation?

Have to say reading this thread was quite entertaining. unfortunately due to doom's bold play, I have more town reads than evil reads. I think we're forgetting this is based off of multiple books. there are likely quite a few factions beyond the traditional ones.

i have no information, other than that despite elong being non-town (dont want to say anti-town because im really not sure), doom is not town either. doom, please tell us your alignment

Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES

vodean wrote:i have no information, other than that despite elong being non-town (dont want to say anti-town because im really not sure), doom is not town either. doom, please tell us your alignment

Survivor, just like every other human. What's your point? Why specifically pick me over the other humans to ask?

Kanin Usagi wrote:From the night 1 scene, we get a bunch fairly vague statements about a ton of various things. BUT, we do get over very clear statement about the death scene:

Night 1 Scene wrote:the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth ... their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air.

That first bold, I will come back to later, but the second bold does indeed lend itself to a lyncher/lynchee mechanic present in the game. But who is the lyncher and who is the lyncher's target? Well, from the first bold we get "former masters and creators of the Shoggoth." Well with a little wiki magic...

I am more than a little confused/concerned that your first assumption based on this info is that there is a lyncher mechanic in play. I don't understand why you would think this. When I read that they were searching for thier target, and then someone ending up dead, my first thoughts is that this points to a standard scum group, or at least something similar. I read the "target" as being the target of thier night action, nothing more. Why do you think otherwise? Also explain to me how you think such a group would work and why you would call is a "lyncher." Normally a lyncher would know who it's target is (not knowing makes the role not really playable) accordingly they lack the ability to simply kill the target themselves. As such the entire point of that role is that they are focred to arrange the death of a specific player (who they know) by other means. What you seem to be proposing seems like the exact opposite of that. Since the things you are suggesting are so far off base I am forced to consider the possibility that the only way you could come up with something as rediculous as this would be if it is at least partially true and you have insider info about it. So, FOS for that.

DoomYoshi wrote:

vodean wrote:i have no information, other than that despite elong being non-town (dont want to say anti-town because im really not sure), doom is not town either. doom, please tell us your alignment

Survivor, just like every other human. What's your point? Why specifically pick me over the other humans to ask?

So, contrary to your previous assertion of being the Vanilla Townie of this game you aren't actually town aligned at all?

vodean wrote:Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES

Mind telling us what you think you are doing?

I have no idea where people are getting the lyncher read. As I stated in my first post, I believe the mafia to consist of monsters. The death scene is indicative of that. Granted, most of my Lovecraft knowledge comes from the Arkham City Board Game, but Shoggoths are definitely not friendly towards humans. I'm pretty sure they're anti town if not outright mafia.

spiesr wrote:

Kanin Usagi wrote:From the night 1 scene, we get a bunch fairly vague statements about a ton of various things. BUT, we do get over very clear statement about the death scene:

Night 1 Scene wrote:the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth ... their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air.

That first bold, I will come back to later, but the second bold does indeed lend itself to a lyncher/lynchee mechanic present in the game. But who is the lyncher and who is the lyncher's target? Well, from the first bold we get "former masters and creators of the Shoggoth." Well with a little wiki magic...

I am more than a little confused/concerned that your first assumption based on this info is that there is a lyncher mechanic in play. I don't understand why you would think this. When I read that they were searching for thier target, and then someone ending up dead, my first thoughts is that this points to a standard scum group, or at least something similar. I read the "target" as being the target of thier night action, nothing more. Why do you think otherwise? Also explain to me how you think such a group would work and why you would call is a "lyncher." Normally a lyncher would know who it's target is (not knowing makes the role not really playable) accordingly they lack the ability to simply kill the target themselves. As such the entire point of that role is that they are focred to arrange the death of a specific player (who they know) by other means. What you seem to be proposing seems like the exact opposite of that. Since the things you are suggesting are so far off base I am forced to consider the possibility that the only way you could come up with something as rediculous as this would be if it is at least partially true and you have insider info about it. So, FOS for that.

When I said that, I was merely building off a point jonty made:

jonty125 wrote:

Night One wrote:Most notably, the former masters and creators of the Shoggoth spread their wing-like appendages on the surface for the first time since the last ice age, their cilia extend and search for their target, and in a blinding speed they fly through the air. A sleeping homeless man was their unfortunate target of choice tonight

I would say this is another mason group; possibly with a lyncher/lynchee mechanism?

I didn't mean that it was an actual lyncher/lynchee mechanic; merely that they had to kill a certain target for them to win the game. I haven't been playing mafia long enough to know whether or not there is another standard type that attempts to kill a certain target but DOESN'T know who it is, so lyncher/lynchee (which jonty used first) was the closest thing I could think of. And I don't think its necessarily "anti-town." The wording was very specific: "search for their target." Singular. They're searching for a single person. Unless I'm reading a ton more into the night scene than I should be, that's what I'm seeing.

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safariguy5 wrote:I have no idea where people are getting the lyncher read. As I stated in my first post, I believe the mafia to consist of monsters. The death scene is indicative of that. Granted, most of my Lovecraft knowledge comes from the Arkham City Board Game, but Shoggoths are definitely not friendly towards humans. I'm pretty sure they're anti town if not outright mafia.

Thats what I am getting from my quick skimming through wiki.
There is no doubt that this is the most confusing mafia game I have played and it is day 2.
I think the elder things are a faction that is anti town. Whether we have a true mafia as such is an unknown.
@kanin I think youre reading into it too much...I do not think a lyncher/lynchee mechanic is in place here. Its too random and frustrating to balance. And this game will be well balanced.

Sorry for the douple post, but also:

spiesr wrote:

vodean wrote:Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES

Mind telling us what you think you are doing?

Yeah, what the hell are you doing Vodean? Am I the only one seeing a weird pattern? First Doom confirms several times (Not saying you can't confirm more than once, just that it is ODD), now Vodean is repeating this weird message. Both Doom AND Vodean are acting strange, and also (funnily enough) Vodean is the one pressuring Doom still.

ah, i got what i wanted out of doom. i just wanted you to know that his best interests are not necesarily those of the town.
Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES

honestly speaking something here is off about the messaging.

rishaed wrote:honestly speaking something here is off about the messaging.

im not sure what you mean.

Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH
H'EE-L'GEB
F'AI THRODOG
UAAAH
KURANES

. . . . If this keeps up without an explanation I might want something more than the slight possible softclaim that i thought i saw. Oh and Unvote

vodean has probably gone insane, in game.

However, I still don't understand your point, how am I any different from any of the other humans? Why single me out specifically? Because I led a successful day 1 case?

@spiesr: it is not quite a contradiction. I am the closest thing to a vanilla townie in this game. And I can become town at any time.

Jonty, did you go insane as well?