Conquer Club

edocsil wrote:

betiko wrote:

edocsil wrote:We are are on D5, n1 and n4 are dead. Explain the missing roles, and their alignment guys...

well, if you could add something new instead of repeating what I just said 2 posts above... I think it's time for edoc to tell us more about his role. He just decided he didn't want to claim so we let it go, as far as I know, appart from double voter I don't see any great town power role out there. (even if we never had night yet...)

TBH you have no idea what I said if you think you and I were talking about the same thing.


pre post edited this. I am not going to get into a mud flinging contest.

I don't see how it's not the same thing I was talking about.
gregwolf is dead and we know his role,
nos is dead and we don't,
pcm is not dead (yet) and we don't.
my explanation is that the janitor wasn't around for gregwolf but was for the other 2, he failed to send his action to doom on day 1. There might be other theories which I would like to hear, and you seem to have another one so go ahead.

Also, an anonymous vote was thrown at NOS for the hammer, so I suspect NOS to really be a VT, and that we have a malevolous double voter.

betiko wrote:

edocsil wrote:

betiko wrote:

edocsil wrote:We are are on D5, n1 and n4 are dead. Explain the missing roles, and their alignment guys...

well, if you could add something new instead of repeating what I just said 2 posts above... I think it's time for edoc to tell us more about his role. He just decided he didn't want to claim so we let it go, as far as I know, appart from double voter I don't see any great town power role out there. (even if we never had night yet...)

TBH you have no idea what I said if you think you and I were talking about the same thing.


pre post edited this. I am not going to get into a mud flinging contest.

I don't see how it's not the same thing I was talking about.
gregwolf is dead and we know his role,
nos is dead and we don't,
pcm is not dead (yet) and we don't.
my explanation is that the janitor wasn't around for gregwolf but was for the other 2, he failed to send his action to doom on day 1. There might be other theories which I would like to hear, and you seem to have another one so go ahead.

Also, an anonymous vote was thrown at NOS for the hammer, so I suspect NOS to really be a VT, and that we have a malevolous double voter.

The anon was not me. We know we have another for sure.

edocsil wrote:We are are on D5, n1 and n4 are dead. Explain the missing roles, and their alignment guys...

any deaths that occured before D5 should be revealed according to our theories - which are clearly at least partially wrong. but please, you seem to have all the answers, so you tell us.

I suspect we won't know NoS's role until we fill in the timeline. With Night 1 still outstanding NoS can still perform a Night action so he gets to keep his role hidden.

Tis my theory anyway.

Nendreel wrote:I suspect we won't know NoS's role until we fill in the timeline. With Night 1 still outstanding NoS can still perform a Night action so he gets to keep his role hidden.

Tis my theory anyway.

this could stand. this or the janitor.

betiko wrote:

Nendreel wrote:I suspect we won't know NoS's role until we fill in the timeline. With Night 1 still outstanding NoS can still perform a Night action so he gets to keep his role hidden.

Tis my theory anyway.

this could stand. this or the janitor.

It could I suppose. I's a whole lot better then absent day janitors.

@vode, I haven't got any answers, wish I did.

Well i don t think that we should trash the janitor theory either. For absence or for other reasons ( he can only hide town corpses?). Gregwolf s case was brought up close to deadline, lots of players don t check the thread periodically.

Hmm. I think Nendreels' theory holds more water than the janitor.

jonty125 wrote:Hmm. I think Nendreels' theory holds more water than the janitor.

I kind of think so too. but I think that players who don't send their actions happens more often that what you guys are suggesting. Here's another doubt. Vodean gets lynched; we are warped to night 1 which is the last course of action for NOS. whatever happens that night, we will be warped to some place where NOS is completely out of the game. Do you think doom would suddenly come out in his scene or in the OP with NOs's role and alignment?

betiko wrote:

jonty125 wrote:Hmm. I think Nendreels' theory holds more water than the janitor.

I kind of think so too. but I think that players who don't send their actions happens more often that what you guys are suggesting. Here's another doubt. Vodean gets lynched; we are warped to night 1 which is the last course of action for NOS. whatever happens that night, we will be warped to some place where NOS is completely out of the game. Do you think doom would suddenly come out in his scene or in the OP with NOs's role and alignment?

Doom in the scene.

betiko wrote:I kind of think so too. but I think that players who don't send their actions happens more often that what you guys are suggesting. Here's another doubt. Vodean gets lynched; we are warped to night 1 which is the last course of action for NOS. whatever happens that night, we will be warped to some place where NOS is completely out of the game. Do you think doom would suddenly come out in his scene or in the OP with NOs's role and alignment?

I think we'd learn of it in a scene. "As the timestream stabilizes, you learn Player X is..." or something to that effect.
I could be wrong, and the effort we'd have to go through to find out isn't likely to be worth it.

Nendreel wrote:

betiko wrote:I kind of think so too. but I think that players who don't send their actions happens more often that what you guys are suggesting. Here's another doubt. Vodean gets lynched; we are warped to night 1 which is the last course of action for NOS. whatever happens that night, we will be warped to some place where NOS is completely out of the game. Do you think doom would suddenly come out in his scene or in the OP with NOs's role and alignment?

I think we'd learn of it in a scene. "As the timestream stabilizes, you learn Player X is..." or something to that effect.
I could be wrong, and the effort we'd have to go through to find out isn't likely to be worth it.

Yes and yes. Honestly what we need is a night, as scummy as that is to suggest

I would volunteer to be lynched. Im Day 2 so by lynching me if our theories are right you guys would be Night 2 right?

Yes, but two folk have softclaimed nights. WCS - is none of them are mafia and they get three shots over three nights.

ghostly447 wrote:I would volunteer to be lynched. Im Day 2 so by lynching me if our theories are right you guys would be Night 2 right?

wait... humm so that would bring us back to just after nos's death but there would still be a warp to night 1 (vodean) where he would be alive so his role wouldn't be revealed. If we have to lynch someone "for science" I think vodean is a better option. You are a claimed vt and we don't know if vodean has an important role or not though. Appart from getting for the first time into night phase, I'm not really sure that would be very interesting for town.
I think the priority is to find the second double voter and lynch him. I'm starting to consider the massclaiming option... idk

ghostly447 wrote:I would volunteer to be lynched. Im Day 2 so by lynching me if our theories are right you guys would be Night 2 right?

I'm a much later day, and since several people already want a lynch of me, I think I'd be a better option. If we want to attempt a night anyway.

jonty125 wrote:Yes, but two folk have softclaimed nights. WCS - is none of them are mafia and they get three shots over three nights.

Sorry, this doesn't make too much sense, I was thinking the game went to the phase directly killed, not the one after.

jonty125 wrote:

jonty125 wrote:Yes, but two folk have softclaimed nights. WCS - is none of them are mafia and they get three shots over three nights.

Sorry, this doesn't make too much sense, I was thinking the game went to the phase directly killed, not the one after.

It goes to the day/night after the person killed. So if we went to night mafia would be able to avoid killing a night person (because of the softclaims) and kill the days. Making it several nights in a row.

soundman wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

jonty125 wrote:Yes, but two folk have softclaimed nights. WCS - is none of them are mafia and they get three shots over three nights.

Sorry, this doesn't make too much sense, I was thinking the game went to the phase directly killed, not the one after.

It goes to the day/night after the person killed. So if we went to night mafia would be able to avoid killing a night person (because of the softclaims) and kill the days. Making it several nights in a row.

But they're not guaranteed to hit days, my false logic was that they had safe targets.

soundman wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

jonty125 wrote:Yes, but two folk have softclaimed nights. WCS - is none of them are mafia and they get three shots over three nights.

Sorry, this doesn't make too much sense, I was thinking the game went to the phase directly killed, not the one after.

It goes to the day/night after the person killed. So if we went to night mafia would be able to avoid killing a night person (because of the softclaims) and kill the days. Making it several nights in a row.

My theory is that only lynches cause time warps. Night kills might not. Of course, this is all conjecture at this point. We have no way of knowing without an actual night.

Kanin Usagi wrote:

soundman wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

jonty125 wrote:Yes, but two folk have softclaimed nights. WCS - is none of them are mafia and they get three shots over three nights.

Sorry, this doesn't make too much sense, I was thinking the game went to the phase directly killed, not the one after.

It goes to the day/night after the person killed. So if we went to night mafia would be able to avoid killing a night person (because of the softclaims) and kill the days. Making it several nights in a row.

My theory is that only lynches cause time warps. Night kills might not. Of course, this is all conjecture at this point. We have no way of knowing without an actual night.

Tell me why, you think this. A death is a death, is it not?

jonty125 wrote:

Kanin Usagi wrote:My theory is that only lynches cause time warps. Night kills might not. Of course, this is all conjecture at this point. We have no way of knowing without an actual night.

Tell me why, you think this. A death is a death, is it not?

More a hunch than anything. I doubt doomyoshi would have made it possible for mafia to win if we mislynched on D1. He said it might be unbalanced, not that it's possible to lose on the first night.

Kanin Usagi wrote:Maybe its only the lynches that move us past that particular time period? As in, you lynch day 3, you get night 4. You lynch night 5, you get day 6. But if day 3 is killed at night, then it just naturally moves to the next day. That would be one way to balance it, and also punish town for bad lynches.

Post I made about the theory on Day 6.

Kanin Usagi wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

Kanin Usagi wrote:My theory is that only lynches cause time warps. Night kills might not. Of course, this is all conjecture at this point. We have no way of knowing without an actual night.

Tell me why, you think this. A death is a death, is it not?

More a hunch than anything. I doubt doomyoshi would have made it possible for mafia to win if we mislynched on D1. He said it might be unbalanced, not that it's possible to lose on the first night.

Hmm, but mafia would have to keep shooting days in a row, and they probably have some days in their team for balance purposes.

i would imagine they also have some day actions. perhaps the town PRs do too.