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aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
Metsfanmax wrote:I am amazed that I am not dead. The only explanation I can think of is that if I had died, when I flipped town everyone would focus on betiko since the agreement seems to be that at least one of us is scum. If betiko is mafia, he would want to avoid that by letting me survive, and lynching me during the day. This would essentially give them a free night kill, since either way I would flip town but this way no one could then lynch betiko until D6 (although even playing that way is risky). But since no one died last night, that plan didn't work even if it was the plan.
MoB Deadly wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:I am amazed that I am not dead. The only explanation I can think of is that if I had died, when I flipped town everyone would focus on betiko since the agreement seems to be that at least one of us is scum. If betiko is mafia, he would want to avoid that by letting me survive, and lynching me during the day. This would essentially give them a free night kill, since either way I would flip town but this way no one could then lynch betiko until D6 (although even playing that way is risky). But since no one died last night, that plan didn't work even if it was the plan.
so are u claiming you did not protect anyone last night?
Metsfanmax wrote:thechuck51 wrote:Here is what i posted 2 hours before the deadline. which put soundman at 4 votes:thechuck51 wrote:unvote vote soundman
if one person unvotes betiko (and nobody else votes soundman) i think that will put us at a tie and buy us another 24 hours
If I was mafia why the hell would I try to stop the lynch of a town member just before the deadline??? How does having soundman lynched and having town gain a member benefit mafia?
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And suddenly things click into perspective for me. Right before the end of the initial D3 period, betiko was almost a certain lynch. He even said as much. Several hours before the lynch:betiko wrote:if you are town you will truly regret this lynch, I warned you. all you have on me is being agressive (you know my meta) a few cases on me based on misreads of my posts or people auto convincing themselves; this and at least a scum or 2 bringing in their cents.
And one hour before the lynch:betiko wrote:I just saw 4 guests connected. In less than an hour I will be lynched. Gustaf and witt are most likely who they say they are, keep in mind this votecount, there is a scum for sure between mob, anamaniaks and and mets, that s the little something you will get from my lynch.
But what happened in between is exactly what chuck said. He's the linchpin to this whole deal. At the 4 PM vote count, it was 5-2, betiko versus soundman:pancakemix wrote:Vote Count
Little Witt - 1 (edocsil)
betiko - 5 (Gustaf, Witt, mets, MoB, animaniacks)
soundman - 2 (spiesr, rish)
Mets - 2 (betiko, thechuck)
Then betiko and chuck, the only two people who had their votes on me, switched to soundman, making it 5-4, and therefore only one person had to be gullible enough to unvote, forcing the runoff between betiko and soundman. The play was a perfectly executed maneuver (though only barely in time) to save betiko, and it worked, incredibly. I no longer have any doubt in my mind that they are scum buddies.
MoB Deadly wrote:If Chuck is scum, why would he shift the bandwagon from a claimed Town Gifter, to a claimed Thirdparty? That makes no sense. If Chuck is scum, then Betiko is most likely scum because chuck saved your lynch.
MoB Deadly wrote:Betiko, what did you do last night?
Gustaf Wasa wrote:Ouch. Even though theChuck was our opponent (Ding dong, the Warlock is dead!) I have to sympathize with him. That is not a nice picture to see in your inbox unprepared. I don't know what story that is from, but I can imagine a wicked king sitting in his icy castle somewhere near the North Pole, plotting his invasion of Santa's toy shop. Probably Norwegian.
On to business! I wasn't roleblocked yesterday. Was it because the Mafia tried to kill me instead and were stopped by the Doc? Luckily we can ask one of them directly. My investigation revealed this: Iron Butterfly is Mafia.
vote Iron Butterfly
MoB Deadly wrote:God I suck at making 1 post.
I guess, the no kill COULD have been faked to make mets look clear as well. So mets cannot be taken off the list.
If IB is the gift stealer, then Betko or Mets is most likely Mafia Roleblocker, and animaniacs is clear.
If IB is NOT gift stealer, then Betiko, Mets, and animaniacs are on the list to be a gift stealer. With emphasis on animaniacs.
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aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Hold your horses.
No one finds it odd what so ever that the two primary suspecsts, being Mets and Betiko were not investigated??
Buncha sheep.
MoB Deadly wrote:Hold the phone though!!!
This makes Betiko look better than he has though.
Iron Butterfly STARTED the case on Betiko on Day 3 and forced a claim.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Hold your horses.
No one finds it odd what so ever that the two primary suspecsts, being Mets and Betiko were not investigated??
Buncha sheep.
betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.
Metsfanmax wrote:betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.
Wait, what? No one has yet revealed whether or not they received a gift. Per MoB's request, we are all waiting for you to claim you who sent your gift to, at which point this person can confirm or deny having received a gift. This is pretty straightforward. No one is going to take you seriously if you aren't going to put your cards on the table and attempt to prove that you are town.
Metsfanmax wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.
Wait, what? No one has yet revealed whether or not they received a gift. Per MoB's request, we are all waiting for you to claim you who sent your gift to, at which point this person can confirm or deny having received a gift. This is pretty straightforward. No one is going to take you seriously if you aren't going to put your cards on the table and attempt to prove that you are town.
That being said, even if the person you claim as your target confirms receiving a gift, that does not clear you as town. Little Witt could have sent that person a gift as well (and he should speak to this effect if this comes to pass), and you could just be guessing on the hopes that, with only 7 players to send gifts to, the one you pick will be one of his five. Or, you could just have your mafia buddy "confirm" receiving a gift from you. But telling us who you gifted can go a long way towards clearing your name if you're telling the truth.
betiko wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.
Wait, what? No one has yet revealed whether or not they received a gift. Per MoB's request, we are all waiting for you to claim you who sent your gift to, at which point this person can confirm or deny having received a gift. This is pretty straightforward. No one is going to take you seriously if you aren't going to put your cards on the table and attempt to prove that you are town.
That being said, even if the person you claim as your target confirms receiving a gift, that does not clear you as town. Little Witt could have sent that person a gift as well (and he should speak to this effect if this comes to pass), and you could just be guessing on the hopes that, with only 7 players to send gifts to, the one you pick will be one of his five. Or, you could just have your mafia buddy "confirm" receiving a gift from you. But telling us who you gifted can go a long way towards clearing your name if you're telling the truth.
I know the person didn't receive it, and that's for you to find out why.
betiko wrote:By the way: calling edoc for message delivery tonight. I m not quite certain how this works but I want to send a gift to someone and let edoc or Witt know who I m sending it to in private!
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