[Official] Holiday Mafia - Game Over!

[rishaed]

The case is well made. As such it has convinced me and I will vote superkeener.

[superkeener]

I dont think I have been flip flopping, just going with my gut as you with yours. I am the Baby New Year.

[superkeener]

Also, my 2nd vote for spiesr was before the deadline was announced.

[rishaed]

I dont think I have been flip flopping, just going with my gut as you with yours. I am the Baby New Year.

If you are going to claim make it a full claim . . . I mean Baby New Year doesn't sound all that bad, but checking a nameclaim is pretty much impossible . The reason is that we as town can't check to see if the Actions that you say you have are matching up with what with our investigatives can tell us.

[superkeener]

Ok. I will make a full claim. Since this is my first mafia game on CC, I did not want to break any house rules. Full claim coming soon

[MoB Deadly]

You didn't have to rush it and claim right away. It was my vote and opinion to see you claim. There are quite a few other players in the game. The important defense I wanted from you was my question to you in blue. but as others said, a half-claim is even worse now. Now you have no choice but to fully claim.

[betiko]

I went back to build a mets case but putting things together I'm not convinced anymore.
Also I m not convinced about superkeener anymore. Can the edoc acusers make a proper case on edoc?

unvote

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[superkeener]

I am the Baby New Yeat. I am a roleblocker alligned with the Town.

[betiko]

ebwop: I don't know why I wrote "anymore" for superkeener as I've never really been on this case after he started posting real stuff.

nevertheless, I'm surprised to see he posted something suggesting it will take a lot of thinking to make his full claim in the meanwhile

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why did you have to think about it keener?

[superkeener]

I didnt really have to think about it. Just had to take care some some stuff for work.

[MoB Deadly]

I am the Baby New Yeat. I am a roleblocker alligned with the Town.

who did you roleblock and why last night?

[rishaed]

Ok. I will make a full claim. Since this is my first mafia game on CC, I did not want to break any house rules. Full claim coming soon

For the role you were (Roleblocker) Defend yourself first and if enough people aren't happy with your defense we'll bring you to L-2. (lynch needs two votes). Claiming right off the bad brings you Town Cred most of the time, however a PR such as yourself is quite important to town, so Defending yourself when we're in a D1ish situation building off of weak cases is definitely more important than any town cred you may receive.
fp'd

[superkeener]

My N1 roleblock pick was not really backed by anything substantial due to the lack of D1 information. However, I did choose spiesr and I was not told if any action was indeed blocked. But since he has claimed to be the snow miser and maybe does not have any night action I can not comment any further on that.

[Iron Butterfly]

My N1 roleblock pick was not really backed by anything substantial due to the lack of D1 information. However, I did choose spiesr and I was not told if any action was indeed blocked. But since he has claimed to be the snow miser and maybe does not have any night action I can not comment any further on that.

Several things bother me. By themselves they seem small. When combined it raises more questions.

1) There was no need to claim but we could perhaps chalk that up to not knowing the CC protocols. that being the case claiming when there is no need can seem suspect.

2) You half claimed and when asked to claim said you needed time because you were busy at work, which i can understand BUT your claim was but one sentence and half of it you had already stated. You typed one sentence.

3) claiming a town role blocker is not a good claim if one is claiming later in the game as its to easy to get caught in a lie. However day two is a different story. Its also a remarkable coincidence that you role blocked an already claimed character who has no night actions.

4) just my opinion.... Rudolph was a re directer, which kinda makes sense. But Why would baby new year be a blocker? It just doesn't fit. If superkeener is telling the truth then roles don't have to fit the character.

[spiesr]

My N1 roleblock pick was not really backed by anything substantial due to the lack of D1 information. However, I did choose spiesr and I was not told if any action was indeed blocked. But since he has claimed to be the snow miser and maybe does not have any night action I can not comment any further on that.

As I have no night action I can neither confirm nor deny being blocked last night.

[edocsil]

My N1 roleblock pick was not really backed by anything substantial due to the lack of D1 information. However, I did choose spiesr and I was not told if any action was indeed blocked. But since he has claimed to be the snow miser and maybe does not have any night action I can not comment any further on that.

Several things bother me. By themselves they seem small. When combined it raises more questions.

1) There was no need to claim but we could perhaps chalk that up to not knowing the CC protocols. that being the case claiming when there is no need can seem suspect.
I agree
2) You half claimed and when asked to claim said you needed time because you were busy at work, which i can understand BUT your claim was but one sentence and half of it you had already stated. You typed one sentence.
Seems odd, but TBH I wouldn't hold this one over him. My roles are very organized, I could look up a role from any game in the last year in 30 seconds. His was likely in some random inbox pile
3) claiming a town role blocker is not a good claim if one is claiming later in the game as its to easy to get caught in a lie. However day two is a different story. Its also a remarkable coincidence that you role blocked an already claimed character who has no night actions.
Agreed on all points, however, he will have to back up these actions later on. Since he has claimed it would be good for him to claim actions on subsequent nights
4) just my opinion.... Rudolph was a re directer, which kinda makes sense. But Why would baby new year be a blocker? It just doesn't fit. If superkeener is telling the truth then roles don't have to fit the character.
I agree tbh I'm feeling scum roleblocker

[Metsfanmax]

My N1 roleblock pick was not really backed by anything substantial due to the lack of D1 information. However, I did choose spiesr and I was not told if any action was indeed blocked. But since he has claimed to be the snow miser and maybe does not have any night action I can not comment any further on that.

Several things bother me. By themselves they seem small. When combined it raises more questions.

1) There was no need to claim but we could perhaps chalk that up to not knowing the CC protocols. that being the case claiming when there is no need can seem suspect.

That has nothing to do with "CC protocol," it's just common sense

2) You half claimed and when asked to claim said you needed time because you were busy at work, which i can understand BUT your claim was but one sentence and half of it you had already stated. You typed one sentence.

This was really strange to read, and I'm willing to give some benefit of the doubt but it still doesn't fully add up.

3) claiming a town role blocker is not a good claim if one is claiming later in the game as its to easy to get caught in a lie. However day two is a different story. Its also a remarkable coincidence that you role blocked an already claimed character who has no night actions.

Is it really a remarkable coincidence? Given that besides any VTs we have two third party players without night actions, and that spiesr attracted D1 attention anyway, it is perfectly reasonable to think this may be the case, statistically speaking.

[thechuck51]

I need to unvote. I'm embarassed to admit that I was kind of getting my games screwed up when I was looking to put pressure on edoc.

regarding superkeener's claim: I had to read wikipedia about rudolph's shiny new year and in the show if they don't find baby new year the year wont end and it will be new years eve forever (not sure why thats a problem but I digress) so i can kind of see how being a roleblocker could fit.

Ill be honest.... saying he was flip-flopping all game long was an exaggeration on my part. but like I said, pretty much none of his posts has "vibed well" with me this game. I had gut feeling though that he was town.

At this point I think we need to make some sort of move. I would like to see him claim, and then we choose the best candidate to lynch then.

his posts haven't vibed with you but you had a gut feeling he was town but you want him to claim... who's flip-flopping here? This screams of making a case for the sake of making a case as does the whole lets list how many times people have posted and vote for whoever has posted the least even though you admit its not a scientific method of determining alignment.
vote MoB

[rishaed]

I'm going to unvote. I'll be off the rest of the night so that'll be it until I can do some more research or until a good case comes up.

[anamainiacks]

Wow, things really exploded while I was in bed... Haha.

First of all, let me unvote. I did have my suspicions on edocsil, was hoping to pressure him into making a slip, but he hasn't said anything to set off my radar further. I'm still suspicious, but not enough to put my vote on him any more, at least for tonight.

Regarding the case against superkeener. It does seem like some of his votes/unvotes were scummy and later retracted, to be crowd-pleasers. The other thing that stands out to me is the spacing out of his claim. If he had looked at his role PM just 27 minutes earlier, I don't see why he would have forgotten it so quickly when he said

Ok. I will make a full claim. Since this is my first mafia game on CC, I did not want to break any house rules. Full claim coming soon

"I am the roleblocker" would have been just as easy to type as "Full claim coming soon", if he was rushing for time.

That said, flavour-wise, his character could fit his role... From wikipedia, "Rudolph quickly instructs Happy to take off his hat and leave it off for good. At the sight of Happy's large ears, Aeon bursts into uncontrollable laughter which sends him tumbling down the side of the mountain and into the snowball, freeing Sev, O.M. and Sir 1023. Rudolph realizes that Aeon, since he is now so full of warmth and happiness, that it would be impossible for him to turn to ice and snow." So Baby New Year does stop (roleblock) a villain in the R/B movies.

[betiko]

let's leave keener, I believe him. nendreel should still be a protective priority. And mob I don't know..
I'm a bit suspicious about people making post counts for all players, it's a good way for a scum to look actively scumhunting, but it's also one of the only things left when you're town with not much to start from..

[MoB Deadly]

his posts haven't vibed with you but you had a gut feeling he was town but you want him to claim... who's flip-flopping here? This screams of making a case for the sake of making a case as does the whole lets list how many times people have posted and vote for whoever has posted the least even though you admit its not a scientific method of determining alignment.
vote MoB

I had a gut feeling he was town. Past tense, I did not feel like he was town anymore. That last post he made put me over the edge. If you want to call it "making a case for the sake of making a case thats fine". I thought my case has been the strongest we have had all game. My Post count was just to generate more activity amongst the submariners, which didn't really do any good. But with absolutely no voting trends and no gained information overnight I think we actually made some progress today.

Obviously other people did not feel like my case was bad or "flip floppy" because I have at least 3 supporters of my case.

The majority of my reasoning was because he was acting scummy and I believed he should claim.
Part of the reason is because we have no voting trends
part of the reason is because I did not like the case on mets, edoc, and do not want to lynch the misers
part of the reason is because betiko was complaining no one was taking initiative

let's leave keener, I believe him. nendreel should still be a protective priority. And mob I don't know..
I'm a bit suspicious about people making post counts for all players, it's a good way for a scum to look actively scumhunting, but it's also one of the only things left when you're town with not much to start from..

That's fine, and you pegged it exactly, we have had no information I was just trying to spur activity amongst the submariners. But I don't fault your suspicions on me, I will let my scum hunting for the rest of the game speak for my alignment.

[MoB Deadly]

I am still thinking about superkeener. In some ways the "noob card" can be played here as an explanation for some of the weird things he has done. But idk, there are a lot of little things and I can see him as a mafia roleblocker using a fake name claim, and just trying to tip toe his claim so he does not make a slip.

[spiesr]

Also, my 2nd vote for spiesr was before the deadline was announced.

The fact that there was no deadline in place makes that seem worse, not better.

1) There was no need to claim but we could perhaps chalk that up to not knowing the CC protocols. that being the case claiming when there is no need can seem suspect.

The way the case against him was set up one could argue that it was inevitable that he would be pushed to give out a claim, at least for a player with little experience, and that by claiming early he was just saving time.

[superkeener]

I don't know what more to say about my claim. I threw it out there and am not for sure how I can "prove" it to the rest of you at this moment.
But I still has FoS on spiesr and maybe it is vengeful, but MoB's pressure on me is also making me want to throw my vote his way.