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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:43 pm

soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:52 pm

hum, I doubt that for an official game spiesr lynching soundman could endgame. And I'd rather trust cold rather than heat for not ruining chrsitmas... anyone has something to add flavourwise, or has seen any of these christmas specials? the irony is that this was a discution early game in lovecraft where spiesr, pcm and soundman were all in.. what is your twist soundman? and what else can you do spiesr?
nevertheless, it's odd that spiesr got soundman's name and soundman didn't know it was spiesr.. If it was the other way around with spiesr being heat and soundman cold I wouldn't hesitate, but now...
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Nendreel on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:57 pm

soundman wrote:My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses).


Since spiesr's mission is to get soundman lynched, the second part seems redundant. Unless one (or both) of them is lying about their goal.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby spiesr on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:00 pm

soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.
So, this is the route you have decided to take? I guess I can't really hold it against you, I mean rolling the dice with this bluff may be your best shot of winning at this point.

So for the sake of those of your you have to decide what to do now I will point of a flaw in his claim this strongly points towards him lying. He says that everyone loses should he be lynched. There is no way the this game has that mechanic. A game where a single mislynch is an instant lose has to be specific balanced around such a concept. This one pretty clearly isn't. For example, a day can end in a lynch without a majority for it. Had pancakemix remembered this early enough to have it in effect on Day 1 then, if what Soundman says is true, I could have won the game Day 1 by just leaving Soundman with a couple of votes when the deadline hit. No way is this game, an Official one at that, set up like that.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:37 pm

watch from minute 10:



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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:45 pm





is mother nature in the game?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby anamainiacks on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:11 pm

spiesr wrote:
soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.
So, this is the route you have decided to take? I guess I can't really hold it against you, I mean rolling the dice with this bluff may be your best shot of winning at this point.

So for the sake of those of your you have to decide what to do now I will point of a flaw in his claim this strongly points towards him lying. He says that everyone loses should he be lynched. There is no way the this game has that mechanic. A game where a single mislynch is an instant lose has to be specific balanced around such a concept. This one pretty clearly isn't. For example, a day can end in a lynch without a majority for it. Had pancakemix remembered this early enough to have it in effect on Day 1 then, if what Soundman says is true, I could have won the game Day 1 by just leaving Soundman with a couple of votes when the deadline hit. No way is this game, an Official one at that, set up like that.
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So what does happen, when you get him eliminated (and according to you, he gets you eliminated)? Or does your win condition include surviving till the end with the rest of the villagers? In which case, if you survived till the end with the villagers AND the Heat Miser, you both lose?

And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Snow Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:25 pm

anamainiacks wrote:
spiesr wrote:
soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.
So, this is the route you have decided to take? I guess I can't really hold it against you, I mean rolling the dice with this bluff may be your best shot of winning at this point.

So for the sake of those of your you have to decide what to do now I will point of a flaw in his claim this strongly points towards him lying. He says that everyone loses should he be lynched. There is no way the this game has that mechanic. A game where a single mislynch is an instant lose has to be specific balanced around such a concept. This one pretty clearly isn't. For example, a day can end in a lynch without a majority for it. Had pancakemix remembered this early enough to have it in effect on Day 1 then, if what Soundman says is true, I could have won the game Day 1 by just leaving Soundman with a couple of votes when the deadline hit. No way is this game, an Official one at that, set up like that.
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So what does happen, when you get him eliminated (and according to you, he gets you eliminated)? Or does your win condition include surviving till the end with the rest of the villagers? In which case, if you survived till the end with the villagers AND the Heat Miser, you both lose?

And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Snow Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?

speisr claimed the COLD MISER, Soundman is the HEAT MISER. I don't even know if we have a SnowMiser.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby soundman on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:46 pm

spiesr wrote:So for the sake of those of your you have to decide what to do now I will point of a flaw in his claim this strongly points towards him lying. He says that everyone loses should he be lynched. There is no way the this game has that mechanic. A game where a single mislynch is an instant lose has to be specific balanced around such a concept. This one pretty clearly isn't. For example, a day can end in a lynch without a majority for it. Had pancakemix remembered this early enough to have it in effect on Day 1 then, if what Soundman says is true, I could have won the game Day 1 by just leaving Soundman with a couple of votes when the deadline hit. No way is this game, an Official one at that, set up like that.
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lyncher Actually he may be right here. I only read the first part and missed the third paragraph. The first paragraph makes it sound like everyone would lose to the lyncher. But the third says otherwise. Don't know if that's how it's being run in this game but it seems likely.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby anamainiacks on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:50 pm

rishaed wrote:
anamainiacks wrote:So what does happen, when you get him eliminated (and according to you, he gets you eliminated)? Or does your win condition include surviving till the end with the rest of the villagers? In which case, if you survived till the end with the villagers AND the Heat Miser, you both lose?

And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Heat Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?

speisr claimed the COLD MISER, Soundman is the HEAT MISER. I don't even know if we have a SnowMiser.

Sorry, typo on my part - corrected it in the quote (left the original unedited).


Though for the record, spiesr claimed the SNOW MISER.
spiesr wrote:What I am is Mr. White Christmas, Mr. 10 Below. As the Snow Miser my goals are different than the town, but not necessarily incompatible with theirs. I want to survive this game and prevent the Heat Miser from doing the same.
soundman was the one that called spiesr a COLD MISER.
soundman wrote:I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is.
As far as my research showed, Rankin/Bass didn't have any Cold Miser; though I don't think this counts as a slip on soundman's part, since it seems intuitive that 'Cold' is the opposite of 'Heat'.

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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:52 pm

Too Many Miser's just get me Scrooge! 1's enough!
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby spiesr on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:06 pm

anamainiacks wrote:So what does happen, when you get him eliminated (and according to you, he gets you eliminated)? Or does your win condition include surviving till the end with the rest of the villagers? In which case, if you survived till the end with the villagers AND the Heat Miser, you both lose?

And so you mean to say that pcm clearly stated/implied in his PM to you that the Snow Miser (soundman) is an exact opposite if your role - nothing more, nothing less?
My pm did not state what exactly happens should I succeed in lynching Soundman. I have sent an inquiry about the subject and am waiting for a response. My assumption would be that I am declared to have won and removed from the game while the rest of you continue the mafia town battle. My pm does not make any direct statements about Soundman's role, apart from his character being the Heat Miser, but it does imply it to an extent.
soundman wrote:http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lyncher Actually he may be right here. I only read the first part and missed the third paragraph. The first paragraph makes it sound like everyone would lose to the lyncher. But the third says otherwise. Don't know if that's how it's being run in this game but it seems likely.
The way your initial post was worded seemed to indicate that my Lyncher victory ending the game was among the things you were told rather than a random assumption on your part.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Kanin Usagi on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:34 pm

Why don't we just leave them both alive? Neither can win unless the majority is behind the lynch, so we can effectively do nothing with them and it won't affect us.

I assume there is a Mother Nature in this game. Maybe Mother Nature wins if both of them survive until end game?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:39 pm

Kanin Usagi wrote:Why don't we just leave them both alive? Neither can win unless the majority is behind the lynch, so we can effectively do nothing with them and it won't affect us.

I assume there is a Mother Nature in this game. Maybe Mother Nature wins if both of them survive until end game?


well we're all up to scumhunting. I started with nendreel and pulled 3 roles out of it. start a case, we'd be more than happy to go for scum. time is ticking though and i still think that we will have to pick either of them at the end of the day if we don't have anything better.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:36 am

I am back and all caught up - I think their roles sound believable. I was more guessing that one would be town and one would be mafia - based on the movie betiko posted. spiesr is confirmed 3rd party, and soundman is claiming 3rd party as well, not sure what to think about that at this point.

That narrows the field a bit for scumhunting if its true.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby superkeener on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:30 am

I am still going to keep my vote on spiesr, for at least a little longer. I think that Snow Miser and Heat Miser would both be 3rd party, and both are unaffiliated with either town or mafia.
The only problem I am seeing with lynching one of them is that it might somehow upset the balance, and perhaps the remaining miser brother might become OP.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:36 pm

a little reminder of what we have so far:

jonty -> rudolph, town redirector
spiesr -> snow miser, 3rd party heat miser lyncher
soundman -> heat miser, 3rd party survivor
nendreel -> ?, possible town cop

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out of the other 11 (obviously no one suspects himself), who would you start the scum hunt on?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:00 pm

I would prefer to go after the quiet people for a bunch of reasons.

1. Inactives don't help hunt scum as accurately
2. Inactives can be easily steered by scum
3. Inactivity can easily be scum submarining.
4. I think it is more beneficial to us to get one of them to claim so we have information to go off of, instead of dealing with it later as we get closer to a possible losing scenario.
5. Inactives have less posts that they are responsible/accountable for. (like less voting and case trends)

This is why I still regret not even forcing claims on Day 1. I admit I got busy in RL though and was unable to push for a claim. We got a no lynch - and now we are back to shooting in the dark just like it was day 1.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:30 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:I would prefer to go after the quiet people for a bunch of reasons.

1. Inactives don't help hunt scum as accurately
2. Inactives can be easily steered by scum
3. Inactivity can easily be scum submarining.
4. I think it is more beneficial to us to get one of them to claim so we have information to go off of, instead of dealing with it later as we get closer to a possible losing scenario.
5. Inactives have less posts that they are responsible/accountable for. (like less voting and case trends)

This is why I still regret not even forcing claims on Day 1. I admit I got busy in RL though and was unable to push for a claim. We got a no lynch - and now we are back to shooting in the dark just like it was day 1.

I agree with all of the Above. However I don't have someone sticking out as a person to start pressuring. 8-[
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:51 pm

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betiko wrote:just reread day 1. there was another post where jonty was pretty clear about gifters being vts and non gifters having abilities, he really put a target on his head there... I wanted to check if someone else had been pretty clear about the same deal to see if someone would need protection, but it was more jonty.

otherwise, still not getting much about day 1.

ok, what do you guys think can there be third party in this game flavourwise? otherwise should we count on 4 mafia 12 townies?


I loved these Christmas shows as a kid. From a mafia standpoint having a third party is really at the discretion of the mod and his imagination. Flavor wise I think there is a strong possibility. Why? The protagonist, lets say Rudolph for an example, would be on an adventure and along the way would meet a variety of allies and villians

You got Heat Miser, Bumbles, the Lion King of Misfit Toys as but small examples Anything is possible.


Well I was right and it makes sense. Keep in mind survivors are not a threat to town. These two just need to fulfill their win condition. That is of course one chooses to believe them. If I had a choice between Spiesr or Soundman I would hands down lynch Soundman. Spiesr has been forthcoming with info in my opinion, Soundman??...not so much.

Edocscil has made a direct indication that one or the other would be night killed. I find it hard to believe he would be so forthcoming with that info if he were indeed a Vig.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Nendreel on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:22 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Edocscil has made a direct indication that one or the other would be night killed. I find it hard to believe he would be so forthcoming with that info if he were indeed a Vig.


He's also guilty of skimming in that post and it has been his only post so far this Day, which makes him pretty minimally active.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:25 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
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betiko wrote:just reread day 1. there was another post where jonty was pretty clear about gifters being vts and non gifters having abilities, he really put a target on his head there... I wanted to check if someone else had been pretty clear about the same deal to see if someone would need protection, but it was more jonty.

otherwise, still not getting much about day 1.

ok, what do you guys think can there be third party in this game flavourwise? otherwise should we count on 4 mafia 12 townies?


I loved these Christmas shows as a kid. From a mafia standpoint having a third party is really at the discretion of the mod and his imagination. Flavor wise I think there is a strong possibility. Why? The protagonist, lets say Rudolph for an example, would be on an adventure and along the way would meet a variety of allies and villians

You got Heat Miser, Bumbles, the Lion King of Misfit Toys as but small examples Anything is possible.


Well I was right and it makes sense. Keep in mind survivors are not a threat to town. These two just need to fulfill their win condition. That is of course one chooses to believe them. If I had a choice between Spiesr or Soundman I would hands down lynch Soundman. Spiesr has been forthcoming with info in my opinion, Soundman??...not so much.

Edocscil has made a direct indication that one or the other would be night killed. I find it hard to believe he would be so forthcoming with that info if he were indeed a Vig.



well, I guess he was more threatening of someone viging him, anyone can be a vig with 2 gifts.

otherwise, it's funny to see how people are just theorising here but no one makes a move. I know it's precisely what I'm doing in this post, but I've done a few moves already and I don't want to be the one starting all accusations. take your responsabilities people! You can't expect to start on a big thing. Mob, you're depicturing the type of target you would go for. fair enough, who out of the 11 left on my list are you going to go after? same goes for rishaed.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:38 pm

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soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."


I still would like to know whether there was a slip here or not. It was brought up again after I pointed it out, and we did not get a real answer.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:45 pm

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soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."


I still would like to know whether there was a slip here or not. It was brought up again after I pointed it out, and we did not get a real answer.

Mine is in red. . . The first part in the statement is True Survivor role which = stay alive in the game. The second part says "Its not truly a true survivor WC." You can't have it both ways. The first thing I would do in that case would be- someone here is trying to lynch me :!: Find them so they don't start confusion during the days trying to lynch me. :roll: As such unvote vote soundman
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby soundman on Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:36 pm

rishaed wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
soundman wrote:Well this is interesting. My role is Heat Miser however I'm not a lyncher, I'm a survivor. I was told that my brother Cold Miser wishes me gone and is trying to lynch me. My goal is to survive till endgame (True survivor role, just with a twist) without him completing his mission (Or everyone loses). I have no special abilities of any kind and I wasn't told who the Cold Miser is. Now that I know I'd rather not give him the chance of killing me and fulfilling his WC. Vote Spiesr.


One says "Cold Miser," the other says "Snow Miser."


I still would like to know whether there was a slip here or not. It was brought up again after I pointed it out, and we did not get a real answer.

Mine is in red. . . The first part in the statement is True Survivor role which = stay alive in the game. The second part says "Its not truly a true survivor WC." You can't have it both ways. The first thing I would do in that case would be- someone here is trying to lynch me :!: Find them so they don't start confusion during the days trying to lynch me. :roll: As such unvote vote soundman

Do you really not understand that? I'm a survivor. I need to survive till endgame. The "twist" is that someone is actively trying to lynch me. Regular survivors do not have another person trying to lynch them to fulfill their win condition.

@Met: "Cold" and "Snow" are interchangeable. I was told that my brother the Snow Miser was after me but used Cold because that was what was on my mind at the time of my post. I'm not sure how you would see that as any sort of slip...
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