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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby edocsil on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:26 am

anamainiacks wrote:You just said annihilating the misers is a bad idea, then proceeded to say we should hang the Heat Miser and possibly endgame for the Snow Miser? Isn't that quite... contradictory?


I was considering just killing them both to prevent either from winning, but I think we can remove both from play with one winning without any adverse effects vs town. To me Annihilation =/= Winning.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby superkeener on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:46 am

At least for me, the miser situation does not seem very threatening as of now, if indeed what they say is true. Also, I do not think that Snow is better than Heat or vice versa. I re-read D2 and besides the Miser brothers, the only thing coming up on my radar is edocsil.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:01 am

betiko wrote:people are all saying the same; go for a scum instead of a miser. and almost no one is putting pressure on the 2 cases here; edoc& mets.


Well I am fine going with day 1 style, and just pressuring the "lucky winner" to claim next. General consensus is that the misers are not a threat right now. And the 2 "cases" are extremely weak. There are no real slips right now, we don't have Day 1 vote trends to work with, and no one produced any leads overnight. So we are still mostly in the dark besides these 3rd party claims.

I am also fine with following our cop or whatever he is that is close to a cop. He is the most credible person we have right now.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:02 am

Not that I expect him to have any extra info than he has provided, but he is the "most town" out of everyone right now
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:16 pm

Okay…. since Betiko keeps barking at us for not creating any leads/cases, I will provide some more research:

Here is the number of posts each player has made. Obviously, take these numbers as a grain of salt (is that the right phrase?). Meaning, this research is merely numbers and may not truly reflect how active each player is. For instance, I know I am a serial double and triple poster. So my number is a little inflated.

Sorted by quantity of posts, stated count AFTER confirm post.

betiko - 50
rishaed - 24
superkeener - 19
MoB Deadly - 18
Nendreel - 18
spiesr - 16 (came in late)
anamainiacks - 16
Metsfanmax - 14
jonty125 - 14
Kanin Usagi - 12
edocsil - 11
NoSurvivors - 10 (studying)
soundman - 9
thechuck51 - 8
Little Witt - 7 (grounded)
Iron Butterfly - 5

Based on this information I will Vote IMB for scummarining. I would like an explanation for his lack of contributions.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby edocsil on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:25 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:Okay…. since Betiko keeps barking at us for not creating any leads/cases, I will provide some more research:

Here is the number of posts each player has made. Obviously, take these numbers as a grain of salt (is that the right phrase?). Meaning, this research is merely numbers and may not truly reflect how active each player is. For instance, I know I am a serial double and triple poster. So my number is a little inflated.

Sorted by quantity of posts, stated count AFTER confirm post.

betiko - 50
rishaed - 24
superkeener - 19
MoB Deadly - 18
Nendreel - 18
spiesr - 16 (came in late)
anamainiacks - 16
Metsfanmax - 14
jonty125 - 14
Kanin Usagi - 12
edocsil - 11
NoSurvivors - 10 (studying)
soundman - 9
thechuck51 - 8
Little Witt - 7 (grounded)
Iron Butterfly - 5

Based on this information I will Vote IMB for scummarining. I would like an explanation for his lack of contributions.


Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby anamainiacks on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:33 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:Okay…. since Betiko keeps barking at us for not creating any leads/cases, I will provide some more research:

Here is the number of posts each player has made. Obviously, take these numbers as a grain of salt (is that the right phrase?). Meaning, this research is merely numbers and may not truly reflect how active each player is. For instance, I know I am a serial double and triple poster. So my number is a little inflated.

Hahaha, that's quite some research there. And since you asked - the phrase should be, "with a pinch of salt" (:
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby spiesr on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:38 pm

edocsil wrote:Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.
While good players aren't going to be caught scumarining, less experienced players might be less skilled in avoiding the unwanted type of attention and just try to lay low.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:01 pm

edocsil wrote:Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.


I know Edoc, that's why I said accept this research only for what it is worth. (which isn't much). But, we didn't have any scumslips as of yet. We have no D1 voting trends to build off of. We haven't had any leads generated from night actions overnight.

So I default back to Day 1 types of cases. I think lack of activity could be a nice starting point. Then we can regenerate discussion, or we could pressure for a claim to give us any more information.

I am not saying, IMB is inactive let's lynch him now. I merely put my vote on him so I can get an explanation/excuse as to why he is fairly inactive. Based on his response, we can choose to let him go or we could pressure for a claim. And/or it at least generates conversation and keeps this game moving forward
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby rishaed on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:13 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:
edocsil wrote:Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.


I know Edoc, that's why I said accept this research only for what it is worth. (which isn't much). But, we didn't have any scumslips as of yet. We have no D1 voting trends to build off of. We haven't had any leads generated from night actions overnight.

So I default back to Day 1 types of cases. I think lack of activity could be a nice starting point. Then we can regenerate discussion, or we could pressure for a claim to give us any more information.

I am not saying, IMB is inactive let's lynch him now. I merely put my vote on him so I can get an explanation/excuse as to why he is fairly inactive. Based on his response, we can choose to let him go or we could pressure for a claim. And/or it at least generates conversation and keeps this game moving forward

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its also quite within his META, for what its worth :roll: I guess I don't see him post a lot, but when he posts there is usually a good bit of Substance in the post. I admit I am at a loss though on who to go for, there isn't a convincing case so far. 8-[
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:16 pm

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edocsil wrote:Bah. This shit doesn't work at all, scum do it just as easy as town. (it being make post count lists) Scummarineing doesn't exist among good players, it just identifies people who post less.


I know Edoc, that's why I said accept this research only for what it is worth. (which isn't much). But, we didn't have any scumslips as of yet. We have no D1 voting trends to build off of. We haven't had any leads generated from night actions overnight.

So I default back to Day 1 types of cases. I think lack of activity could be a nice starting point. Then we can regenerate discussion, or we could pressure for a claim to give us any more information.

I am not saying, IMB is inactive let's lynch him now. I merely put my vote on him so I can get an explanation/excuse as to why he is fairly inactive. Based on his response, we can choose to let him go or we could pressure for a claim. And/or it at least generates conversation and keeps this game moving forward

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its also quite within his META, for what its worth :roll: I guess I don't see him post a lot, but when he posts there is usually a good bit of Substance in the post. I admit I am at a loss though on who to go for, there isn't a convincing case so far. 8-[


well look through his posts. I dont think hes added much of anything really of value. And this must be (newer) meta, when I used to play IMB was one of the most active in each game. But that also ended up to him starting arguments with 1-2 players so maybe that is why he cut back.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:07 pm

I will say this only once. At present I am going through a separation with wife. I have time to take turns in some games and I have tried to post once a day. As of the last three weeks this has been the norm in all my games. I will admit I have not been as active as I would like...but it is what it is.

I find HUGE irony in MOB calling me out for scummarining as he has all but made that tactic the norm for all the games he has played. So MOB if I say, "Sorry Im catching up now." Will that give me a pass like it has for you in the past :lol:

I've already stated that if I had a choice between Spiesr and sound man I would lynch soundman. I would be equally inclined to vote spiesr.

Vote Soundman

Heres why. We have two third parties already, which changes the ratio of mafia to town. Heat Miser and Cold Miser were not the only bad guys in this series. I think it is important to find the "color" of these guys.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Nendreel on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:03 pm

Away from my comp, so I might resort to choppy English. Try to bear with me.

Re:Mets: I don't think the Snow/Cold discrepency is big enough to mean anything. Especially since both spi and sound are claiming 3P, it's not like a slip will make things worse.

Re:IB: IB raises a good point about the colours of 3P. I don't know if it is relevent, but spi was not marked with the usual 3P Orange in my report.

Have we been given a deadline yet?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby soundman on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:12 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:I will say this only once. At present I am going through a separation with wife. I have time to take turns in some games and I have tried to post once a day. As of the last three weeks this has been the norm in all my games. I will admit I have not been as active as I would like...but it is what it is.

I find HUGE irony in MOB calling me out for scummarining as he has all but made that tactic the norm for all the games he has played. So MOB if I say, "Sorry Im catching up now." Will that give me a pass like it has for you in the past :lol:

I've already stated that if I had a choice between Spiesr and sound man I would lynch soundman. I would be equally inclined to vote spiesr.

Vote Soundman

Heres why. We have two third parties already, which changes the ratio of mafia to town. Heat Miser and Cold Miser were not the only bad guys in this series. I think it is important to find the "color" of these guys.

Why lynch the survivor instead of the claimed lyncher? If you want to know our "color" then lynch the lyncher, Spiesr.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby spiesr on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:20 pm

soundman wrote:Why lynch the survivor instead of the claimed lyncher? If you want to know our "color" then lynch the lyncher, Spiesr.
Because you are most likely also a lyncher and just lying about it?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby Kanin Usagi on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:49 pm

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soundman wrote:Why lynch the survivor instead of the claimed lyncher? If you want to know our "color" then lynch the lyncher, Spiesr.
Because you are most likely also a lyncher and just lying about it?

This^

The minute he was found out, Spiesr was very open with us. So, when its your word against his, his cred is greater than your's so far.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:31 pm

I respect IMB's excuse - unvote. And nice rebuttle, you are 100% right, I will guarantee say that exact phrase at some point through this game :lol: :lol:
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby betiko on Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:11 am

MoB Deadly wrote:I respect IMB's excuse - unvote. And nice rebuttle, you are 100% right, I will guarantee say that exact phrase at some point through this game :lol: :lol:


Why do you keep on calling IB "IMB"? there's not a single M in his username and you've been confusing me a little, lol

other than this, I guess its too late to start a forcing a claim now, people with something to hide will dodge it easy till the deadline.

As I said before, I'd like spiesr to vote soundman cause i'd rather not see him hammer.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:40 am

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MoB Deadly wrote:I respect IMB's excuse - unvote. And nice rebuttle, you are 100% right, I will guarantee say that exact phrase at some point through this game :lol: :lol:


Why do you keep on calling IB "IMB"? there's not a single M in his username and you've been confusing me a little, lol

other than this, I guess its too late to start a forcing a claim now, people with something to hide will dodge it easy till the deadline.

As I said before, I'd like spiesr to vote soundman cause i'd rather not see him hammer.


OOPS. There's a guy in my clan - ironmanbravo and I always call him IMB. I have no idea why I gave that nickname to IB lol.

See this is exactly what I did not want. 2 days in a row we leave with no voting trends. Now mafia has a narrowed scope of who to shoot as we had multiple 3party claims.

We need to get ourselves organized and stop giving the mafia free night kills. And/or stop relying on night actions to get info.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby superkeener on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:44 am

Just to keep from getting a 2 days without a kill, I will have to go with my previous tendency and VOTE spiesr

The other options that I previously mentioned haven't moved me enough to push for a vote on them. Even though I still have FoS on a couple of other players, this is how I fell I should currently vote.
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby superkeener on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:46 am

also, when exactly is the deadline for D2?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby pancakemix on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:47 am

I'm setting the deadline at a week from today (Feb. 7).
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby spiesr on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:48 am

betiko wrote:As I said before, I'd like spiesr to vote soundman cause i'd rather not see him hammer.
Okay. Vote Soundman
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:51 am

PCM, can we have a votecount please?
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Re: [Official] R/B Holiday Mafia - Day 2 [15/16] Run Run Rud

Postby pancakemix on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:53 am

Vote Count

Spiesr - 4 (Nendreel, Little Witt, soundman, superkeener)
Mets - 1 (Betiko)
Edocsil - 2 (thechuck, animaniacks)
Soundman - 2 (IB, spiesr)
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