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Powerless mafia, mafia win

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:49 am
by aage
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As discussed in the Into The Deep post-game talk.

This setup will have no power roles. Everyone will be simply Town or Mafia.


Rules (deviations/additions in bold and green):
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Balancing this is sadly a nightmare and I will need like 15 players before I can add the second mafia member. This may sound strange BUT I have various reasons for this. Firstly, I am expecting town to do very poorly here given recent games. Secondly, town typically underperforms in this setup. Thirdly, the EV guideline (closest to 50% odds town will win if random lynching) is 4 townies to the first mafia, 19 townies to the second. 13 town and 2 mafia gives town an EV of about 43% which is good enough for me. Town is likely to lose, which means you guys will feel even better if you do manage to win.

You can look into the setup balance here.


Players:
1. Metsfanmax
2. dgz345
3. BuJaber
4. blacky365
5. Ragian
6. Strike Wolf
7. Skoffin
8. Pikanchion (dead, day 2) (town)
9. Razorvich (dead, night 2) (town)
10. DDS (dead, night 1) (town)

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:49 am
by jfm10
I am so in if you'll accept me :) I have confidence lol

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:29 am
by dakky21
In. Why do you forbid claiming roles when there will be no roles? If there are no roles as per rules, then one claiming a power role is obviously lying. That should not be forbidden per se.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:38 am
by dgz345
In I'm claiming cop right now.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:09 pm
by aage
dakky21 wrote:In. Why do you forbid claiming roles when there will be no roles? If there are no roles as per rules, then one claiming a power role is obviously lying. That should not be forbidden per se.

Cause it's pointless and I just want to prevent people trying to puzzle out some pattern in role pms or shit like that. "was vanilla spelled with lower case v in your pm?" No. Not gonna happen.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:56 pm
by BuJaber
15 is a lot of players .. come on hustle up guys let's fill it.

I'm in.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:05 pm
by aage
aage wrote:
dakky21 wrote:In. Why do you forbid claiming roles when there will be no roles? If there are no roles as per rules, then one claiming a power role is obviously lying. That should not be forbidden per se.

Cause it's pointless and I just want to prevent people trying to puzzle out some pattern in role pms or shit like that. "was vanilla spelled with lower case v in your pm?" No. Not gonna happen.


I'll add my reply on the discord server as well:
aage on discord wrote:I get why you asked but I just want to avoid the game getting derailed into pointless discussions. I think people (especially the DBD players) need to stop saying "shrug this is my role lynch me if you want" and actually start defending themselves. Mets did a really good job of that in the ITD game, he was under constant pressure and never fell back on his role.

...

I get that it seems odd to just prohibit claiming outright, when there is "nothing to claim", but my expectation is that people will just say "welp im VT lynch me if you want, shrug" instead of engaging. That's what I'm trying to avoid.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:46 pm
by blacky365
im in... should be fun!

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:58 am
by Ragian
I'll play if we're done bickering. Thanks.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:22 am
by Skoffin
But bickering is 90% of my identity

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:16 am
by Tobikera
Skoffin wrote: But bickering is 90% of my identity

:lol:

In please, in support of aage.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:27 am
by Tobikera
Naive question about Rule No. 6:

6. Lynching requires a majority of the town vote, once the majority has been reached any unvotes will not be counted. The majority is half the players alive +1.

Sentence one seems to conflict with sentence two, unless by town vote you mean townies plus mafia. Sentence two makes more sense. To me, a majority of town vote would be less than a majority of all players. Perhaps replace the boldened text in sentence one to say a majority of all players currently alive.

I know...picky, picky....

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:32 am
by aage
Tobikera wrote:Naive question about Rule No. 6:

6. Lynching requires a majority of the town vote, once the majority has been reached any unvotes will not be counted. The majority is half the players alive +1.

Sentence one seems to conflict with sentence two, unless by town vote you mean townies plus mafia. Sentence two makes more sense. To me, a majority of town vote would be less than a majority of all players. Perhaps replace the boldened text in sentence one to say a majority of all players currently alive.

I know...picky, picky....

I copy pasted the standard rules from the terms thread. ‘Town’ means all players alive.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:41 am
by dgz345
@tobi. Everyone is part of the town. But then it's a question about alignment.

BTW town would have won last DBD game if Ragian figured out that he was a immune doctor...

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:39 am
by aage
ZaBeast, Skoffin, Razorvich - are you signing up as well?

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:05 am
by Skoffin
Yes

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:11 am
by Pikanchion
I'll join, I will note however that optimal Town strategy for this setup is drastically altered (and Town's success rate greatly improved) by the following:
aage wrote:You must post every single game day. If the day ends and you haven't posted, I will modkill you.

If the first half of the players who post each day all vote for the same person immediately they can effectively lynch half the Town each day. Perhaps a minimum day length of 24-36 hours would be appropriate to prevent mass killings in the event of a speed lynch?

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:25 am
by aage
Pikanchion wrote:I'll join, I will note however that optimal Town strategy for this setup is drastically altered (and Town's success rate greatly improved) by the following:
aage wrote:You must post every single game day. If the day ends and you haven't posted, I will modkill you.

If the first half of the players who post each day all vote for the same person immediately they can effectively lynch half the Town each day. Perhaps a minimum day length of 24-36 hours would be appropriate to prevent mass killings in the event of a speed lynch?

In the extremely unlikely event that a day ends before 24-36 hours have passed, you can say "I told you so" and I'll extend the "day" by however long I think the slackers deserve. Speedlynching is 99% of the time done because a cop claims to have found mafia. I don't see that happening here.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:15 am
by Ragian
dgz345 wrote:@tobi. Everyone is part of the town. But then it's a question about alignment.

BTW town would have won last DBD game if Ragian figured out that he was a immune doctor...

Don't you dare. It was a tokle game rather than mafia.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:19 am
by Skoffin
Is there a story behind those remarks?

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:21 pm
by dgz345
Skoffin wrote: Is there a story behind those remarks?


Tell him Ragian.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:09 pm
by TheForgivenOne
I'm only posting this once. This thread will be for Signups and for the actual game once it commences.

If I see ANYONE bring up the other topic in here, expect repercussions.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:12 pm
by Ragian
dgz345 wrote:
Skoffin wrote: Is there a story behind those remarks?


Tell him Ragian.

Tell who? Skoffin? She a girl, mate.

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:47 pm
by dgz345
Ragian wrote:
dgz345 wrote:
Skoffin wrote: Is there a story behind those remarks?


Tell him Ragian.

Tell who? Skoffin? She a girl, mate.


him her? who cares? Skoffin is from this point onward dubbed as him! :ugeek:

Re: Powerless mafia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:33 pm
by ZaBeast
aage wrote:ZaBeast, Skoffin, Razorvich - are you signing up as well?

Put me up as reserve as long as I'm alive in the customer service one