Conquer Club

I'm getting to a point where I'm about ready to begin working on a second map and I have 3 ideas:

The first one is the Celtic 7 nations map which you can see here. viewtopic.php?f=63&t=115081 This is probably the on I am most likely to start working on because I already have a map for, I think it's a cool idea, and I think this site needs some Celtic pride. It's a pretty straight forward standard game play map with a lot of sea routes and 2 territories that belong to no bonus.

The second Idea is California. One of the largest, most powerful, influential, and populous states in the country. The state would be divide into 8 geographic/cultural regions: Northern CA (or wine country), Northern coast, Central coast, Southern coast (L.A), Bay area (San Fransisco), Central Valley, Sierra Nevada, Mojave desert. Both L.A. and San Fransisco would be included in insets as more in depth regions (as in territories would be, Burbank, Hollywood, Santa Barbara, ect....)

The last and by far most complex idea is Colonial Africa. This is the idea I'm least likely to start working on right away because I could probably do a better job of this later when I have more experience. The map would include both Europe and Africa. Europe would be split up into it's traditional and historically accurate Imperial powers (England, France, Germany, Portugal, Belgium, ect...). Africa would be split up into it's colonial claim (circa 1800's or early 1900's) the colonial claims would count as small or medium sized bonuses by them selves, but when held with the European power that owns the claim the bonus would be increased to a large one. Europe would either be a bonus of itself or a non-bonus region, that only serves to increase the African Bonuses.

Any way that's what's been going on in my head. Please tell me what is most interesting to you.

Why not put up a poll?

Colonial africa... I can see a new world-type map in my mind... this would be interesting, very. But my vote would still go to the celtic nations...

I vote celtic nations... IFFFFFFF you could like make it obviously not another Europe map
but there are a lot of possibilities there and I think you are up to making it pretty unique.

The British Isles map is very similar to the Celtic map, and the California map wouldn't get much support.
I vote colonial Africa.

Celtic 7 is too strange of a map to work. I don't think it could be done properly due to all the dead space.

California would be cool.

I like Colonial Africa and perhaps you'd be interested in an abandoned idea of mine...
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=106279

Colonial Africa had too many problems since Africa today is essentially the colonial borders. But the WWII setting really made things work. The game play is the toughest thing to work out though. But I'd be happy to lend a hand with all the notes I've got on it.

Originally I started work on it with Unit_2 but things just fell apart.

if he let you use it.. that would be a hellova starting point with that dead map in africa man.

Personally Id like to see a "Source of the Nile" map... but the africa or the celtic one would rock but not be so easy

Thanks, for the input, and from just the people I wanted to hear from too.

Why not put up a poll?

Because I only wanted to hear from people who actually took the time to read my descriptions and would respond with constructive input. In short people like you, and anyone else who isn't just surfing through here without paying too much attention.

Colonial Africa... I can see a new world-type map in my mind.

A little more like Eastern Hemisphere actually.

I like Colonial Africa and perhaps you'd be interested in an abandoned idea of mine...
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=106279

Colonial Africa had too many problems since Africa today is essentially the colonial borders. But the WWII setting really made things work. The game play is the toughest thing to work out though. But I'd be happy to lend a hand with all the notes I've got on it.

That is a big help. That is very similar to the idea I had in mind, except where as yours plays more like New World my idea is a little closer to Eastern Hemisphere (as I mentioned a moment ago). European territories would be able to attack each other but would have no bonus of their own, to encourage strategic placing in the area, while all the real fighting takes place on the African continent. The African bonus structure you have is very similar to what I had in mind, with the addition of the European bonus boost.

California map wouldn't get much support.

I kind of knew that this would be the underdog since it's just a state with no real gimmicks or catch, but I still think it could make for a pretty bad ass map. There really only is one state that has a map to itself (Texas wars, unless there's one I'm forgetting) and California is practically a country of its own.

Celtic 7 is too strange of a map to work. I don't think it could be done properly due to all the dead space.

I don't really think so, I assume you are talking about the awkward proportions, below is my solution to that...





Those are proper CC dimensions and I don't think they look too bad. I just cheated the French coastline a bit.

The British Isles map is very similar to the Celtic map

Similar but it's focusing on a specific culture.

I vote celtic nations... IFFFFFFF you could like make it obviously not another Europe map

Only parts of it are mainland Europe, and that's just how it is. If you are talking about adding victory conditions, additional bonuses, one way attacks, or so on and so on I'll make this statement now: I'm not really interested in adding anything out of the ordinary into this map. I'll approach each map on a case by case basis (like a child) and I'm not saying that I wouldn't do that kind of thing for other maps. But I think I've made it pretty clear on the forums in the past that I'm a really big fan of traditional maps and that I just don't believe that every map has to be dressed up with complex gameplay features to be fun, playable, or even just passed through the foundry. If you want something like that give your vote to Colonial Africa. I think Celtic 7 Nations will be unique enough with all the sea routes and small 1, 2, or 3 territory bonuses. I also plan on decking it out with kick ass Celtic patterns and motifs.

Summation:

I'm thinking I'm going to start working on Celtic 7 Nations first. I've got the most groundwork laid out for it and it seems to have a fair amount of support. I'll start doing rough comp's of Colonial Africa which I'll do next (once Thyseneal is out of beta (unless you can work on a 2nd while one of your maps is in beta??)) This will give me time to think about it enough to really make it work right. California I'll put on the back burner, maybe I'll make a rough comp to show, and maybe that'll help it gain interest but for now I'll put these 2 idea first.

There should be more Africa maps. I support more Africa maps.


--Andy

The celtic map could work if you made all the sea areas that are between the playable land areas into playable areas. You could have them accessible from ports on the land, and put a decay on them - some ships are lost to storms after all... Then you could use the title and legend to cover that huge piece of non-playable land area. Yeah, I think it could work. It would even be an unique type of gameplay.

There should be more Africa maps. I support more Africa maps.

I agree that's part of what gave me the idea, and I hope I don't offend the original creator of the standard Africa map when I was, I'm really not fond of that map at all. There's too few bonuses and their all to hard to hold.

The celtic map could work if you made all the sea areas that are between the playable land areas into playable areas. You could have them accessible from ports on the land, and put a decay on them - some ships are lost to storms after all... Then you could use the title and legend to cover that huge piece of non-playable land area. Yeah, I think it could work. It would even be an unique type of gameplay.
The celtic map could work if you made all the sea areas that are between the playable land areas into playable areas. You could have them accessible from ports on the land, and put a decay on them - some ships are lost to storms after all... Then you could use the title and legend to cover that huge piece of non-playable land area. Yeah, I think it could work. It would even be an unique type of gameplay.

There already is a territory like that (minus the decay effect) I think that maybe adding a few more like that would be alright but I think that a territory between every sea connection would be too much.

it would even be an unique type of gameplay.

You missed the point of my huge ass rant entirely...

If you are talking about adding victory conditions, additional bonuses, one way attacks, or so on and so on I'll make this statement now: I'm not really interested in adding anything out of the ordinary into this map. I'll approach each map on a case by case basis (like a child) and I'm not saying that I wouldn't do that kind of thing for other maps. But I think I've made it pretty clear on the forums in the past that I'm a really big fan of traditional maps and that I just don't believe that every map has to be dressed up with complex gameplay features to be fun, playable, or even just passed through the foundry. If you want something like that give your vote to Colonial Africa. I think Celtic 7 Nations will be unique enough with all the sea routes and small 1, 2, or 3 territory bonuses. I also plan on decking it out with kick ass Celtic patterns and motifs.

I'm not saying that I'm not willing to change anything but I really take offense to the idea that I'm not allowed to pass anything through here with out it having some sort of gimmick attached to it.

The reason I don't like the Celtic map is because it's so strangely shaped. I mean, if that's what you want to do then do it sans gimmick. No one is forcing you to adopt win conditions or anything. The trouble then is making a map that isn't too boring. The general trend regarding standard maps is that they appear boring... you got to avoid this (as you skillfully did with your fantasy map).

So go for it...

Why not combine the Celtic and Africa maps? (part of the celtic is in Africa as is)

I'm not saying you should adopt any unusual gameplay mechanics or "gimmicks". The decay part was just a suggestion, and not even the main point.

Sea territories between the land, this would make the map look less scattered and build more on the feel of the map - these are nations separated by seas, and sea travel was hard and dangerous at that time, so the extra territory you have to take to get across the sea makes sense to me at least.

Also it will make the map look less scattered. Probably the biggest problem of that map is that it has a lot of empty space (well part of it is ocean but also a lot of non-playable land.) The sea territories would solve the sea part of the problem, while covering the non-playable land with a fancy legend/minimap and title would solve the land part...

You didn't like the decay idea so the sea territories could start neutral, and not be a part of any bonus. Apart from that they could be normal territories.

Well, it's your map so you can do as you like, but IMHO this would be the best way to approach the subject...

Why not combine the Celtic and Africa maps? (part of the celtic is in Africa as is)

That's Europe, not Africa

The trouble then is making a map that isn't too boring. The general trend regarding standard maps is that they appear boring... you got to avoid this

I know, I'm just a little upset that this is the common opinion. I'll find away I know I will.

(as you skillfully did with your fantasy map).

You make me blush

I'm not saying you should adopt any unusual gameplay mechanics or "gimmicks". The decay part was just a suggestion, and not even the main point.

I didn't mean to come down on you too hard or anything, it was just frustrating that you suggested the directly after the paragraph I wrote. Any way I mean I'll end up coming across a lot of suggestions and maybe one of them really will jump out at me as a good idea. Who knows, but I want to try my best to over come the "standard maps are boring" impasse in tandem with the "too much empty space" impasse by really out doing myself on the graphics on this one. After all graphics are my strong suite.

The Bison King wrote:

Why not combine the Celtic and Africa maps? (part of the celtic is in Africa as is)

That's Europe, not Africa

Wow, I can't believe I just did that...

I wote any Colonialism map. there are much maps from America (USA), also some maps about Celts are in development.
the Colonialism is interesting time period and long period, so you can choose early era or later era.

try look here viewtopic.php?f=63&t=112743, it was just idea which is from 16. - 17. century. here is also Rih0´s map from later ear, maybe before I. WW.

I would love to see California. I am from California, and perhaps that's why I'm the only one who would like to see it. The Celtic map is my second choice, and I like the spacing you have between countries. It makes it unique and straightforward. Plus if people raise a big fuss you could always tighten it up. California would be awesome...

California would be cool Perhaps consider making it a "California gold rush" map. Very interesting time period in history and it's growth. But what I think would be really cool idea is an "Wild West" map"... Dodge city - Tombstone - railroads - Bozeman trail. The works.

But if it's gonna be like one of the US cities/interstate maps then it's pretty well already covered to a degree.

Celtics. Well there is a couple England maps and an Ireland map and it would need to be very unique from them imo.

Colonialism of Africa deff has potential. Seems to me I saw a start to something like that somewhere.

I like the spacing you have between countries. It makes it unique and straightforward

Thank you! that's so what I am going for with this one.

But what I think would be really cool idea is an "Wild West" map"... Dodge city - Tombstone - railroads - Bozeman trail. The works.

If that's something you want check this out viewtopic.php?f=63&t=110840&start=30

Please try to pester him in to bringing it back to life. This seriously looked like one of the coolest maps I've seen in such a long time but it looks like he dropped it over some supposed "controversy" over the whole genocide issue. Which to me is ridiculous because not only is the site called the "conquer" club but the idea that you are purposely irradiating a group of people on this map seems no more relevant than it does on any other map, say "New World" "13 colonies" or any WWII map. Besides it's honest history! It happened it can't un-happen I think it's more disrespectful to try and cover it up twittle our thumbs and whistle any time someone asks "hey where'd all the Native Americans go?"

The Bison King wrote:Please try to pester him in to bringing it back to life. This seriously looked like one of the coolest maps I've seen in such a long time but it looks like he dropped it over some supposed "controversy" over the whole genocide issue.

That's not what happened.. he decided to divide it into 3 maps and the first of which is now in GP workshop.

That's not what happened.. he decided to divide it into 3 maps and the first of which is now in GP workshop.

I'm aware of the powell expedition. I thought that Westward expansion was supposed to be one of the three. It's still a shame I thought that map looked perfect.

I just painted Celtic 7 Nations today. I haven't scanned it in yet because.... well I just haven;t felt like it yet. It's a real pain in the ass cause no scanner is big enough for the full image so I have to scan it in pieces then put it back together in photoshop. It's a big "to do". I'll hopefully have it up this weekend, and you'll finally be able to see where I want to take this map visually. Also I'll move it back into the 7 Nations thread, and use this one just to toss around Idea's for Cali and Africa when the time comes, or and idea hits. Like I said I might do a comp for cali.

The celtic map could work if you made all the sea areas that are between the playable land areas into playable areas. You could have them accessible from ports on the land, and put a decay on them - some ships are lost to storms after all... Then you could use the title and legend to cover that huge piece of non-playable land area. Yeah, I think it could work. It would even be an unique type of gameplay.

I think I'm going to use an aspect of this after all. I'm not going to make every sea connection a territory because I think that would be too much, but I think I am going to make the pre-existing Celtic sea territory a diminishing territory.

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=119729

I've re posted the 7 nations map back into a new thread of it's own. If you want to talk about Colonial Africa or California do it here, but direct all disscusion about the 7 nations back into it's own thread.

Thank you!