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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby jpcloet on Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:24 pm

grifftron wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:sweet...something useless instead of an actual site upgrade


That was a low blow from a former mod... Your not getting the big picture here lv... we vote to get CC at #1... new people flow into the trap formally known as Conquer Club, lack gets even more money and makes a few updates.

-griff


That equation has not been working for the last 2 years. Used to be over 25,000 active on the scoreboard and over 1300 in the forums on a regular basis. The "trap" can work all it wants, however, a catch and release program is quite useless.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby Eternal Shadow on Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:19 pm

Pedronicus wrote:Improve the fucking site and I'll vote like my finger is wired up to an electrode.

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I don't understand why everyone complains all the time about things like this. No one is forcing you to pay them, or even play. You clearly enjoy playing or you wouldn't be here. Quit whining until you make your own site and update it every waking hour. Some people have lives
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby The Cheat on Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:32 pm

Cheat Commandos: Rock, rock on!
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby mibi on Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:33 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
mibi wrote:These exercises are largely futile efforts. As always, the real winner is the topsite owners who convince other sites to drive traffic to their topsite.

You are also driving users to competing sites and will certainly lose a percentage of users to this. Also the type of users gained from sites like these are low value and flighty. I can't say there will be a net gain or loss in users over the year, likely a small gain, but it certainly would not justify the massive effort put forth by users and admins.

There are better avenues for community voting than lame topsites.


There is certainly a chance it is futile effort, but I think we can have fun with the undertaking. And this undertaking is hardly a massive effort. ;)

As for competing websites, if users want to play, uh 'King of the Mafia,' by all means do so. I don't think we are quite in the same niche. :D

Righ,t i think fun and a general community pep rally are the main benefits/side effects here.
Lame Andy, signing off.


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Right, i think fun and a general community pep rally are the main benefits/side effects going on here. As for massive effort, to reach number 1 it looks like you will need some 7k clicks. Thats certainly no small effort.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby pr4wn on Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:40 pm

hey thanks, I'm in.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby reptile on Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:22 am

There are a lot of issues that are not getting attention from CC, explain how we lose jpcloet (as the clan director, though i disagree with a lot that he does/says, he has a HUGE impact on the future of clans on cc, which is the reason that people actually stick around more than just one memberships worth... he was trying to be proactive and his issues just never got the time of day they should have), in addition to many of the more experianced guys that left the site as well as a ton of other amazing players that were in the top 10 over the years... and NO it was not cause they were tired of the site, it was because there was no attention paid to the players and those that actually understand how things work on cc and cared enough to try and improve it.

However things like "vote for us" amongst others keep getting plenty of attention and i think it is bull.

I dont always have the most positive attitude towards the dice etc....(lol) though i have brought easily 15 people to the cc web site, i have headed up one of the top clans on cc, i have created tournaments, and i have been a volunteer for the newspaper. Not to mention a faithful customer since 2006! I have even voted for CC in years past in these things, but in all honesty, i really dont think that i will be voting this year...

There are certain things that needs attention that the general population of cc does not see that gets no attention. If it werent for Legends of War i would have been gone long ago, and i consider it all the time... Cmon Lack (andy), please listen to those that care.

Its not the new members that notice things, but the veterans, also it is the veterans that are being lost (and not from boredom but instead frustration)

CC is starting to become a catch and release web site, just as jp mentioned above.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby SirSebstar on Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:57 am

zimmah wrote:
sensfan wrote:Doing this for sure



me too, more people on CC is always nice. and having another medal is just a bonus :)

for sure
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby Tisha on Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:22 pm

already moved up a few spaces.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby DogAlmighty on Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:55 pm

FarangDemon wrote:If CC implements a Clan War Results Database, I'll vote.

What the Demon said.
It would be about time things were done for the clan scene which is the only reason quite alot of members stay premium.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby reptile on Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:11 pm

Haha, there is no way to win either way, that pirate quest one is like one of those facebook apps that you get a whole bunch of stuff if you just click like... or in this case vote for them, the more they do it the more they get. In other words it is impossible to beat them with Conquer Club anyway. Its probably the same for a few of those too.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby Ace Rimmer on Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:20 pm

reptile wrote:There are a lot of issues that are not getting attention from CC, explain how we lose jpcloet (as the clan director, though i disagree with a lot that he does/says, he has a HUGE impact on the future of clans on cc, which is the reason that people actually stick around more than just one memberships worth... he was trying to be proactive and his issues just never got the time of day they should have), in addition to many of the more experianced guys that left the site as well as a ton of other amazing players that were in the top 10 over the years... and NO it was not cause they were tired of the site, it was because there was no attention paid to the players and those that actually understand how things work on cc and cared enough to try and improve it.

However things like "vote for us" amongst others keep getting plenty of attention and i think it is bull.

I dont always have the most positive attitude towards the dice etc....(lol) though i have brought easily 15 people to the cc web site, i have headed up one of the top clans on cc, i have created tournaments, and i have been a volunteer for the newspaper. Not to mention a faithful customer since 2006! I have even voted for CC in years past in these things, but in all honesty, i really dont think that i will be voting this year...

There are certain things that needs attention that the general population of cc does not see that gets no attention. If it werent for Legends of War i would have been gone long ago, and i consider it all the time... Cmon Lack (andy), please listen to those that care.

Its not the new members that notice things, but the veterans, also it is the veterans that are being lost (and not from boredom but instead frustration)

CC is starting to become a catch and release web site, just as jp mentioned above.


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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby MrBenn on Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:10 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:
reptile wrote:There are a lot of issues that are not getting attention from CC, explain how we lose jpcloet (as the clan director, though i disagree with a lot that he does/says, he has a HUGE impact on the future of clans on cc, which is the reason that people actually stick around more than just one memberships worth... he was trying to be proactive and his issues just never got the time of day they should have), in addition to many of the more experianced guys that left the site as well as a ton of other amazing players that were in the top 10 over the years... and NO it was not cause they were tired of the site, it was because there was no attention paid to the players and those that actually understand how things work on cc and cared enough to try and improve it.

However things like "vote for us" amongst others keep getting plenty of attention and i think it is bull.

I dont always have the most positive attitude towards the dice etc....(lol) though i have brought easily 15 people to the cc web site, i have headed up one of the top clans on cc, i have created tournaments, and i have been a volunteer for the newspaper. Not to mention a faithful customer since 2006! I have even voted for CC in years past in these things, but in all honesty, i really dont think that i will be voting this year...

There are certain things that needs attention that the general population of cc does not see that gets no attention. If it werent for Legends of War i would have been gone long ago, and i consider it all the time... Cmon Lack (andy), please listen to those that care.

Its not the new members that notice things, but the veterans, also it is the veterans that are being lost (and not from boredom but instead frustration)

CC is starting to become a catch and release web site, just as jp mentioned above.


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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby sensfan on Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:32 pm

MrBenn wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
reptile wrote:There are a lot of issues that are not getting attention from CC, explain how we lose jpcloet (as the clan director, though i disagree with a lot that he does/says, he has a HUGE impact on the future of clans on cc, which is the reason that people actually stick around more than just one memberships worth... he was trying to be proactive and his issues just never got the time of day they should have), in addition to many of the more experianced guys that left the site as well as a ton of other amazing players that were in the top 10 over the years... and NO it was not cause they were tired of the site, it was because there was no attention paid to the players and those that actually understand how things work on cc and cared enough to try and improve it.

However things like "vote for us" amongst others keep getting plenty of attention and i think it is bull.

I dont always have the most positive attitude towards the dice etc....(lol) though i have brought easily 15 people to the cc web site, i have headed up one of the top clans on cc, i have created tournaments, and i have been a volunteer for the newspaper. Not to mention a faithful customer since 2006! I have even voted for CC in years past in these things, but in all honesty, i really dont think that i will be voting this year...

There are certain things that needs attention that the general population of cc does not see that gets no attention. If it werent for Legends of War i would have been gone long ago, and i consider it all the time... Cmon Lack (andy), please listen to those that care.

Its not the new members that notice things, but the veterans, also it is the veterans that are being lost (and not from boredom but instead frustration)

CC is starting to become a catch and release web site, just as jp mentioned above.


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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby JoshyBoy on Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:46 pm

sensfan wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:
reptile wrote:There are a lot of issues that are not getting attention from CC, explain how we lose jpcloet (as the clan director, though i disagree with a lot that he does/says, he has a HUGE impact on the future of clans on cc, which is the reason that people actually stick around more than just one memberships worth... he was trying to be proactive and his issues just never got the time of day they should have), in addition to many of the more experianced guys that left the site as well as a ton of other amazing players that were in the top 10 over the years... and NO it was not cause they were tired of the site, it was because there was no attention paid to the players and those that actually understand how things work on cc and cared enough to try and improve it.

However things like "vote for us" amongst others keep getting plenty of attention and i think it is bull.

I dont always have the most positive attitude towards the dice etc....(lol) though i have brought easily 15 people to the cc web site, i have headed up one of the top clans on cc, i have created tournaments, and i have been a volunteer for the newspaper. Not to mention a faithful customer since 2006! I have even voted for CC in years past in these things, but in all honesty, i really dont think that i will be voting this year...

There are certain things that needs attention that the general population of cc does not see that gets no attention. If it werent for Legends of War i would have been gone long ago, and i consider it all the time... Cmon Lack (andy), please listen to those that care.

Its not the new members that notice things, but the veterans, also it is the veterans that are being lost (and not from boredom but instead frustration)

CC is starting to become a catch and release web site, just as jp mentioned above.


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Sadly +3

Make that 4.

Also, clan war database or something similar would be cool.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby muy_thaiguy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:47 am

+5. Only reason I'm back is because I really have nothing else to do (recovering from knee surgery).
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby natty dread on Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:28 am

This is a stupid thing. I can name 10 things off the top of my head that would be more beneficial for CC admin to spend their time on than this voting silliness.

This thing really is a flop... and I have most of the time defended the decisions of CC in the past, but this thing, it just rubs it in the face of the people who have been waiting for some site update or another, and then they finally see there's something new in Announcements, and then what do they get: some silly voting program where you get a virtual medal or a chance to win some premium time...

I think, if you had released this thing at the same time as some major site update, it would have been much more well received. But releasing it alone, just makes it look like you're wasting your time on frivolosities instead of working on the issues of the site.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby sensfan on Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:39 am

natty_dread wrote:This is a stupid thing. I can name 10 things off the top of my head that would be more beneficial for CC admin to spend their time on than this voting silliness.

This thing really is a flop... and I have most of the time defended the decisions of CC in the past, but this thing, it just rubs it in the face of the people who have been waiting for some site update or another, and then they finally see there's something new in Announcements, and then what do they get: some silly voting program where you get a virtual medal or a chance to win some premium time...

I think, if you had released this thing at the same time as some major site update, it would have been much more well received. But releasing it alone, just makes it look like you're wasting your time on frivolosities instead of working on the issues of the site.

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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:25 am

natty_dread wrote:This is a stupid thing. I can name 10 things off the top of my head that would be more beneficial for CC admin to spend their time on than this voting silliness.

In what capacity is this wasting admin time? Andy already said this was his idea and his time was spent on setting this up. Andy isn't the Webmaster or programmer, he's the Community Manager. In what way could Andy have spent his time better?

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as eager for updates (particularly XML ones ;) ), but I'm frankly not following your logic.

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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby greenoaks on Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:13 am

there seems to be a lot of clan members bitching that not enough things are being done for them, even though they make up a very small percentage of the population here.

what's up with that.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby jpcloet on Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:26 pm

greenoaks wrote:there seems to be a lot of clan members bitching that not enough things are being done for them, even though they make up a very small percentage of the population here.

what's up with that.


The clan area represents about 1000+ players. Virtually all are premium, which represents about 1/3 of CC's revenues, and a large proportion are 3+ years with the site. And "not enough" is more like "anything". That community has had legitimate gripes for a long time.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:32 pm

I understand the discontent among the people who believe that site things should be implemented more often, but Victor has a point. Andy doesn't program the site, so him not doing this wouldn't have had any affect on the rate at which updates come out. We all have some update that we're looking forward to, for sure, but in the context of this thread specifically, I think some are mixing their apples and oranges.

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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby Ace Rimmer on Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:34 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:In what way could Andy have spent his time better?


Talking to lack about the fact that the moderators that he leads, which are the highest of the community representatives, are quitting because he is not doing a damn thing to improve the site.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby OliverFA on Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:17 pm

Ok guys (and girls). Here is my humble opinion:

Many posters complain that the site has not as many updates as they would like to see. I count myself among them. However, I believe that it is not needed to make the complain in the hard way some of the posters do. Consctructive criticism is often more effective.

I think that launching a "Vote for CC" is a good idea. I also think that it won't waste admin's time. I also think that unless more updates come, this will be a catch and release operation.

So, here is an idea: As many of you believe that updates need to come more often, why don't you organize a friendly campaign to show your (interest in / concern about the lack of) those updates? Call me naive, but I really believe that seeing that a lot of members really care about updates, could have a positive effect in site admins. Specially if they say it in a nice way, something like "We really believe that the site would benefit from more updates" instead of saying in an ugly way such as "how can you be so f*ck*ng retarded not to make more updates regularly". The second sentence will probably not be listened to, no matter how true it is.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby zimmah on Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:23 pm

lord voldemort wrote:
grifftron wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:sweet...something useless instead of an actual site upgrade


That was a low blow from a former mod... Your not getting the big picture here lv... we vote to get CC at #1... new people flow into the trap formally known as Conquer Club, lack gets even more money and makes a few updates.

-griff

I understand the theory...but I know that people are walking out the door because updates arent churning out....especially ones that are desperately needed. Like a baby sitter feature.


i wouldn't say a babysitter feature is a must, but it's certainly a good idea to have over time.

i'd rather see some XML updates and other small changes that make a huge difference to the experience.

for example have the legend seperated from the map.
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Re: 'Vote For CC' Campaigns

Postby OliverFA on Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:26 pm

I think that there is no such feature as the "top most needed feature". But most certainly there is the need for new features, wathever they are. When there are regular feature updates, you don't worry too much that your favourite feature is not in the update, because you can always hope it will be in the next one.
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