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Postby Patroclus on Wed May 24, 2006 10:15 am

lackattack wrote:But allowing positive feedback could lead to a better atmosphere.
Hmmm....


Hey, Lack: Screw you and the rest of the Canucks north of the US border. And screw all south of the Rio Grande.....and that includes Maraddendum.

"Positive Feedback"? That idea sucks!

Hmmmmmm.......only kidding...... :mrgreen:
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Postby JCole200 on Wed May 24, 2006 4:01 pm

lackattack wrote:One thing I forgot to mention is that I plan to have moderator(s) for grievances. But I envision us only editing really offensive grievances and not investigating their accuracy or truthfulness. I'm concerned that it would be too much effort.


So when does this 'plan' go into effect? I'm pretty not happy about getting called an 'ahole' then having the greivence filed against me.

There is nothing to stop new players from logging on, getting pissed off about losing, and then negging someone.

On eBay you can counter this sort of thing through several methods, so the system somewhat works. On here, I just have a negative from some guy I killed because he's mad that I killed him and didn't let him get a continent bonus early in the game.

That's ridiculous that there is no way for me to get rid of that.

Also, there should be a link to the game in question. You can clearly see in the first line of the game the guy calling me an ahole. Then the other guy even asks who he's calling that, and he says me. Obviously, I did nothing to provoke.

There is no checks and balances in this system.. and until there is, you'll be hearing a lot of complaints about it.
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Postby Aladriel on Wed May 24, 2006 7:33 pm

OK.. Here's my question about grievances. Say.. I file a grievance against someone. We shall call him 'X'. I just find X annoying. We were in a team game and X just keeps bossing me around instead of working with me. Nothing against the rules, just annoying and a little insulting. I file a grievance. I'm not going to play with X anymore and I know this. But, what's going to stop X from popping up in one of my games again to get revenge for my filing against him? Or are we just assuming that would *never* be the case?
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Postby anomie on Thu May 25, 2006 1:42 am

I have a grievance count of 3 already. I'm getting them not because of my sportsmanship, but for singling out people who I feel deserve a grievance. I don't know if people are going to take the time to investigate my feedback to see how they are lying about me.
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Postby Scorba on Thu May 25, 2006 7:11 am

Aladriel wrote:OK.. Here's my question about grievances. Say.. I file a grievance against someone. We shall call him 'X'. I just find X annoying. We were in a team game and X just keeps bossing me around instead of working with me. Nothing against the rules, just annoying and a little insulting. I file a grievance. I'm not going to play with X anymore and I know this. But, what's going to stop X from popping up in one of my games again to get revenge for my filing against him? Or are we just assuming that would *never* be the case?


Filing a grievance has the same effect as the old ignore list. They will not be able to join your games.
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Postby Haydena on Thu May 25, 2006 10:15 am

anomie wrote:I have a grievance count of 3 already. I'm getting them not because of my sportsmanship, but for singling out people who I feel deserve a grievance. I don't know if people are going to take the time to investigate my feedback to see how they are lying about me.


I already have looked at your two, as I've played you once and I think you're a very honourable and decent player. I've looked at these games you've played with the guys who gave you grievances.

And DiPPyDolPhin got bored and didn't want to play, so dragged the game on when you didn't wipe him out, even though it would have been a bad move for you. Just looks like someone can't hack getting a greivance...
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Postby lackattack on Thu May 25, 2006 10:24 am

Idea :idea: : To avoid counter-grievances how about a 2 week cool-off period before filing against someone who filed on you?
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Postby HighBorn on Thu May 25, 2006 10:27 am

that might work.. let the other person have a chance to just forget about it.. and if its that important to them than they will remember after the time is up
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Postby Haydena on Thu May 25, 2006 10:30 am

Yeah, that would be a great idea...
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Postby Jota on Thu May 25, 2006 10:49 am

...as long as no one starts filing pre-emptive grievances whenever they themselves do something inappropriate.
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Postby Haydena on Thu May 25, 2006 10:50 am

Didn't think of that :?
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Postby JCole200 on Thu May 25, 2006 3:09 pm

lackattack wrote:Idea :idea: : To avoid counter-grievances how about a 2 week cool-off period before filing against someone who filed on you?


Someone calls me an ahole, then files a grievance, and I don't have the right to file one on them? I don't think thats appropriate.

One persons claim to a grievance isn't anymore valid then the 2nd person putting one in.

I think you are fooling yourself into believing people are going to always put claims that are valid. I'd love to have an "official" comment on my two grievances. I consider them completely invalid. But what can I do about it? Nada.
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Postby vtmarik on Thu May 25, 2006 3:15 pm

JCole200 wrote:
lackattack wrote:Idea :idea: : To avoid counter-grievances how about a 2 week cool-off period before filing against someone who filed on you?


Someone calls me an ahole, then files a grievance, and I don't have the right to file one on them? I don't think thats appropriate.

One persons claim to a grievance isn't anymore valid then the 2nd person putting one in.

I think you are fooling yourself into believing people are going to always put claims that are valid. I'd love to have an "official" comment on my two grievances. I consider them completely invalid. But what can I do about it? Nada.


How about a "shenanigans" button. Something like:

"If you feel that this grievance is unjustified, call Shenanigans and a moderator will view your rebuttal."
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Postby Phx99 on Thu May 25, 2006 3:25 pm

not to sound greedy, but is there a way to have both the "ignore" and "grievances"? There are people I find just obnoxious, and would rather ignore, but can't do it without a grievance...

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Postby lackattack on Thu May 25, 2006 3:46 pm

JCole200 wrote:Someone calls me an ahole, then files a grievance, and I don't have the right to file one on them? I don't think thats appropriate.
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I'd love to have an "official" comment on my two grievances. I consider them completely invalid. But what can I do about it? Nada.

No matter how frivolous the grievance, you DON'T have a right to file back. That's ABUSE.

On the other hand, you CAN leave an "official comment". Go to My Grievances -> Grievances Against Me and fill out your response.
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