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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby bigWham on Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:53 am

kalishnikov wrote:Mr. New Admin, have you noticed all the old players that have left the site since you started making these "additions?" I have. :(

The game you are offering here resembles Risk less and less with each update and that's sad. I chose this site because all the others offering a game like Risk had too much unnecessary crap going on now this is the gimmicky one.

None of your changes you make actually add anything to the gameplay or strategy, all your doing is keeping the ADD generation occupied. You've made this site into the Call of Duty of Risk gaming; more focus on action, less on thinking and tactics.


Thank you for your feedback. I had not specifically noticed all the old players leaving, but I certainly hope they will come back. It is hard pleasing everyone, simultaneously. We have had a variety of updates for a variety of types of players. This will continue, including some more 'hard core strategy' updates as you seem to indicate you want. It is hard to know exactly what would please you, but if you have any specific suggestions, please take them to the Suggestions forum - I am extremely interested in enhancing gameplay/strategy. Bear in mind that some types of changes are harder than others and may take longer to arrive.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby bigWham on Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:55 am

betiko wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:Mr. New Admin, have you noticed all the old players that have left the site since you started making these "additions?" I have. :(

The game you are offering here resembles Risk less and less with each update and that's sad. I chose this site because all the others offering a game like Risk had too much unnecessary crap going on now this is the gimmicky one.

None of your changes you make actually add anything to the gameplay or strategy, all your doing is keeping the ADD generation occupied. You've made this site into the Call of Duty of Risk gaming; more focus on action, less on thinking and tactics.


Wtf are you talking about? If your thing is just 1v1 on classic or whatever, then play only freaking 1v1 on classic. Stop shitting in the soup if 99% of the community enjoys having new stuff that no one is forcing you to play.
If you re just here to complain about the adds then upgrade to premium. Do you work for free?? Well why do you expect others to do so?
So who exactly are the "old players that left because of new additions?" Just curious how many names you can pull out!


Also a valid perspective! However, perhaps we should hear Mr kalishnikov out.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Shannon Apple on Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:18 am

Personally haven't noticed any old players leaving that wouldn't have left anyway. Usually, disgruntled people will make their voices heard somewhere.

I welcome the changes, like the bot. It gives the option for newbies to play 0 points games. Maybe the bots are a bit like an autistic cook and could be a little harder to beat, but they're a start and it'll give new players some sort of practice.

The most likely thing that'll kill CC is not the vets leaving, but the fact that we're not retaining enough new people. I think the admins are doing it in the right order, regardless. Retain new members by introducing the simpler fixes like this, then enhance the game for the older players. There's no point enhancing a game with no players to play the improvements.

People are generally not too happy about the idea that one can play a bunch of games and win, then lose 2 games to noobs and lose all the points that was won + some. People are leaving because they get to a point where they are not having fun because they have to choose between playing only team games and retaining their rank, or risking 1000 points on a few hours of speed game fun. There needs to be something there to encourage older members to keep playing. They need to be able to play speeders without having to foe every cook on the server. lol. Now that we have 0 points games for noobs via the bots, I'd like to see a sort of optional limit that we can set when starting games. Say only people within a rank or 2 (above or below) can join my public games. Someone mentioned it before and I thought it was a good idea. It needs to be restrictive though, so one can't set it to only people higher than themselves or something stoopid like that.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby patrickaa317 on Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:35 pm

Shannon Apple wrote: Now that we have 0 points games for noobs via the bots, I'd like to see a sort of optional limit that we can set when starting games. Say only people within a rank or 2 (above or below) can join my public games. Someone mentioned it before and I thought it was a good idea. It needs to be restrictive though, so one can't set it to only people higher than themselves or something stoopid like that.


Use private games and/or the callouts thread. Or be the last person to join a game if you want to ensure everyone you play against is up to your standards. If you set rank restrictions, it will segregate public games into many factions where people cannot play against higher ranks and progress themselves.

If they did want to do something like this, I would only support something like Public Open and Public 2500+ games. Two tiers would be more than enough and 2500+ would be enough to keep the top players from losing a ton against a chef. Anyone < 2500 points would either have to work harder to get above 2500, or not complain. MAYBE one more break with a Public 1600+.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:16 pm

So many things have been implemented that it's easy for some of them to pass un-noticed. I would like to thank you for this one:
bigWham wrote:

I didn't think it was a big deal when I first saw it in the Suggs forum, but I used it for the first time today in one of my Colosseum games and it made a HUGE difference!

Bravo! =D> =D> =D>

Also, many thanks for the Maps Tab!

That one I've been waiting for since my first day on this site! Still needs more fields added for things like bombardments (Y/N), but what you have there covers all the most important basics.

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :D
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby bigWham on Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:54 pm

Dukasaur wrote:So many things have been implemented that it's easy for some of them to pass un-noticed. I would like to thank you for this one:
bigWham wrote:

I didn't think it was a big deal when I first saw it in the Suggs forum, but I used it for the first time today in one of my Colosseum games and it made a HUGE difference!

Bravo! =D> =D> =D>

Also, many thanks for the Maps Tab!

That one I've been waiting for since my first day on this site! Still needs more fields added for things like bombardments (Y/N), but what you have there covers all the most important basics.

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :D


Toggling The Dead has become my favorite CC activity!
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Shannon Apple on Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:01 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
Shannon Apple wrote: Now that we have 0 points games for noobs via the bots, I'd like to see a sort of optional limit that we can set when starting games. Say only people within a rank or 2 (above or below) can join my public games. Someone mentioned it before and I thought it was a good idea. It needs to be restrictive though, so one can't set it to only people higher than themselves or something stoopid like that.


Use private games and/or the callouts thread. Or be the last person to join a game if you want to ensure everyone you play against is up to your standards. If you set rank restrictions, it will segregate public games into many factions where people cannot play against higher ranks and progress themselves.

If they did want to do something like this, I would only support something like Public Open and Public 2500+ games. Two tiers would be more than enough and 2500+ would be enough to keep the top players from losing a ton against a chef. Anyone < 2500 points would either have to work harder to get above 2500, or not complain. MAYBE one more break with a Public 1600+.

Or do what most of us do and don't join speed games too often. :P
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby OliverFA on Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:33 pm

kalishnikov wrote:Mr. New Admin, have you noticed all the old players that have left the site since you started making these "additions?" I have. :(

The game you are offering here resembles Risk less and less with each update and that's sad. I chose this site because all the others offering a game like Risk had too much unnecessary crap going on now this is the gimmicky one.


With all respects, I disagree about that. The original Risk is not much of a strategy game. It features troops with unlimited stamina who can travel around the world without even stopping, magical increasing reinforcements that come from nowhere, troops that never need any kind of upkeep, among any other features that defy strategy, or at least, realistic strategy. Don't get me wrong, Risk is a nice game, but as a HUGE potential for improvement, and the more we evolve past Risk the better.

kalishnikov wrote:None of your changes you make actually add anything to the gameplay or strategy, all your doing is keeping the ADD generation occupied. You've made this site into the Call of Duty of Risk gaming; more focus on action, less on thinking and tactics.


I agree more with that part of your comment. Despite is good to see all those new improvements, the only that really made a difference for me are 12 player games. I can live without all the others. I do hope that we get more gameplay improvement updates soon.

Again, don't get me wrong. It's nice to see the clan pages, the bots are curious, but what is all that compared to gameplay improvements?
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby OliverFA on Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:40 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
Shannon Apple wrote: Now that we have 0 points games for noobs via the bots, I'd like to see a sort of optional limit that we can set when starting games. Say only people within a rank or 2 (above or below) can join my public games. Someone mentioned it before and I thought it was a good idea. It needs to be restrictive though, so one can't set it to only people higher than themselves or something stoopid like that.


Use private games and/or the callouts thread. Or be the last person to join a game if you want to ensure everyone you play against is up to your standards. If you set rank restrictions, it will segregate public games into many factions where people cannot play against higher ranks and progress themselves.

If they did want to do something like this, I would only support something like Public Open and Public 2500+ games. Two tiers would be more than enough and 2500+ would be enough to keep the top players from losing a ton against a chef. Anyone < 2500 points would either have to work harder to get above 2500, or not complain. MAYBE one more break with a Public 1600+.


IMHO the real issue is not playing against low-ranked players. The issue is that the scoring system has a very high volatility.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby cairnswk on Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:01 pm

Lots of great innovations being rolled out. Thank-you guys. :)

As a suggestion for the near future....would it be possible to get the pop-up map window on MAPS page to scroll with the list so that you're not up and down continually looking at the pop-up window which only open at the top of the page.

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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:37 pm

cairnswk wrote:Lots of great innovations being rolled out. Thank-you guys. :)

As a suggestion for the near future....would it be possible to get the pop-up map window on MAPS page to scroll with the list so that you're not up and down continually looking at the pop-up window which only open at the top of the page.

Thanks

Post this suggestion in the Suggestions Forum, bigWham wants all suggestions posted there so he can review all of them in one place! ;)
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby cairnswk on Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:09 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Lots of great innovations being rolled out. Thank-you guys. :)

As a suggestion for the near future....would it be possible to get the pop-up map window on MAPS page to scroll with the list so that you're not up and down continually looking at the pop-up window which only open at the top of the page.

Thanks

Post this suggestion in the Suggestions Forum, bigWham wants all suggestions posted there so he can review all of them in one place! ;)

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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby EricPhail on Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:51 am

Just a quick thought the option to grab a friend and play doubles vs both bots (To practice doubles tactics) might be nice
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby GTVA on Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:28 am

13371535 my game is not continuing with Sissy
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:16 am

GTVA wrote:Game 13371535 my game is not continuing with Sissy

She's lost in thought...:)
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Donelladan on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:30 am

Say only people within a rank or 2 (above or below) can join my public games. Someone mentioned it before and I thought it was a good idea. It needs to be restrictive though, so one can't set it to only people higher than themselves or something stoopid like that.


There is often difficulty to fill speed games. Adding restrictions may make impossible to fill them.
Best idea to make high ranked player playing speed game is points free games - with limitations of course. As suggested here :
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Armandolas on Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:23 pm

benga wrote:The design of CC and it's header don't match at all, are you planning new design for whole CC?

Also please unclick Waiting for games in game finder.

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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby -=- Tanarri -=- on Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:39 pm

GTVA wrote:13371535 my game is not continuing with Sissy


My game with Sissy also froze... Game 13370327

I'm just waiting for Sissy to deadbeat the turn to see if the game will continue as normal after I take my next turn or if Sissy is dead in the water.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby JaneAusten on Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:21 am

-=- Tanarri -=- wrote:
GTVA wrote:13371535 my game is not continuing with Sissy


My game with Sissy also froze... Game 13370327

I'm just waiting for Sissy to deadbeat the turn to see if the game will continue as normal after I take my next turn or if Sissy is dead in the water.


From what I've heard, she will deadbeat the turn then the game continues as normal.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Shannon Apple on Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:24 am

Donelladan wrote:
Say only people within a rank or 2 (above or below) can join my public games. Someone mentioned it before and I thought it was a good idea. It needs to be restrictive though, so one can't set it to only people higher than themselves or something stoopid like that.


There is often difficulty to fill speed games. Adding restrictions may make impossible to fill them.
Best idea to make high ranked player playing speed game is points free games - with limitations of course. As suggested here :
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=195748


Oh, I know, I was one of the people that came up with that suggestion before it the discussion was moved there. With the introduction of bots, the 0 points thing has somewhat become a reality and it'll help new players. That was one of the things that a few of us were talking about before. If a player's first X amount of games were points free, they might be encouraged to stay. The bot is just a better version of that idea. I just wonder if a bot can be programmed to play better than those ones for intermediate players to practice on. I still like the 0 points option for inviting new players to come here and challenge me. :lol: I have some ideas surrounding that.

The reason there are little to no speed games is because officers don't want cooks and stripes joining their games, and you can't blame them. lol. I don't think putting a reasonable optional restriction when setting up games would prevent people from creating games at all. I think they'd create more of them and as a result, more activity. That's what we want here. A future for CC. Sure, we can go private and invite only people we know, but not everyone is in a clan, so a lot of people have a very limited pool.

Or... fix the points system and make it fairer. I think, sure, we should win less for winning against a cook. I think that system is great, but we shouldn't lose 50 points because they joined a game. I hate playing them in the first place, points or no points. I had one game this week that I really enjoyed. I lost, but it was the best game that I had played in a while because we were both forcing each other to think about our next move. Playing the other folk, win or lose, is no fun.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby GTVA on Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:45 am

JaneAustin wrote:
-=- Tanarri -=- wrote:
GTVA wrote:13371535 my game is not continuing with Sissy


My game with Sissy also froze... Game 13370327

I'm just waiting for Sissy to deadbeat the turn to see if the game will continue as normal after I take my next turn or if Sissy is dead in the water.


From what I've heard, she will deadbeat the turn then the game continues as normal.


And she does it again in my game.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:33 am

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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby GTVA on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:59 pm

GTVA wrote:
JaneAustin wrote:
-=- Tanarri -=- wrote:
GTVA wrote:13371535 my game is not continuing with Sissy


My game with Sissy also froze... Game 13370327

I'm just waiting for Sissy to deadbeat the turn to see if the game will continue as normal after I take my next turn or if Sissy is dead in the water.


From what I've heard, she will deadbeat the turn then the game continues as normal.


And she does it again in my game.


And again.
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby Flow520 on Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:51 pm

Has anyone gotten her to do it three times in a row to she if she deadbeats out?
(I've only gotten her to do it twice in a row so far.)
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Re: Update 09/19/13 - Behold The Bot Invasion!

Postby GTVA on Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:12 am

Flow520 wrote:Has anyone gotten her to do it three times in a row to she if she deadbeats out?
(I've only gotten her to do it twice in a row so far.)

I'm getting there.
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