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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby pmchugh on Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:48 pm

Managed to get a speed medal despite being a freemium :lol:
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby Teflon Kris on Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:04 pm

Interesting.

As everyone says, the map is purely luck.

Therefore, if someone played enough games on it, then statistically they will just win the appropriate share of games (50% of 2-player / 33.3% of 3-player) etc.

If the percentage is off (and enough games are played statistically), and the map isn't about skill, then ......
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby lancehoch on Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:49 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Interesting.

As everyone says, the map is purely luck.

Therefore, if someone played enough games on it, then statistically they will just win the appropriate share of games (50% of 2-player / 33.3% of 3-player) etc.

If the percentage is off (and enough games are played statistically), and the map isn't about skill, then ......

Yes and no. It is mostly luck, but there is strategy in the luck and there is strategy in when to attack. I was in a three player game where I went for the pot first and put my whole stack on it. The next guy weakened me, the third guy took the pot, but neither the second player or I could attack him back. I was also in another three player game where all three of us reached the pot on the same turn, we spent some time building and then I put a small stack (4) on the pot, and for about 10 rounds, we alternated taking the pot and building. I got lucky later when I put 4 on it again, the first guy could only kill 1, the second guy took it, but it took most of his men. The next time, I took the pot and the one other stack and won.
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby neanderpaul14 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:43 pm

But why is one of the leprechauns angry looking and the rest happy???
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby pmchugh on Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:14 pm

lancehoch wrote:
DJ Teflon wrote:Interesting.

As everyone says, the map is purely luck.

Therefore, if someone played enough games on it, then statistically they will just win the appropriate share of games (50% of 2-player / 33.3% of 3-player) etc.

If the percentage is off (and enough games are played statistically), and the map isn't about skill, then ......

Yes and no. It is mostly luck, but there is strategy in the luck and there is strategy in when to attack. I was in a three player game where I went for the pot first and put my whole stack on it. The next guy weakened me, the third guy took the pot, but neither the second player or I could attack him back. I was also in another three player game where all three of us reached the pot on the same turn, we spent some time building and then I put a small stack (4) on the pot, and for about 10 rounds, we alternated taking the pot and building. I got lucky later when I put 4 on it again, the first guy could only kill 1, the second guy took it, but it took most of his men. The next time, I took the pot and the one other stack and won.


I agree it depends on the settings and you do need to chose wisely when to attack or not and take cards etc.

But maybe Im only saying this cause my rank is shooting up thanks to this map :D
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby sailorseal on Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:48 pm

I think there should be a poll to see if the map stays
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby redhawk92 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:24 pm

it is all luck :lol:
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby oaktown on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:34 am

sailorseal wrote:I think there should be a poll to see if the map stays

As the mapmaker, I would rather it does NOT stay. We have an active map foundry with very high standards, and I don't want to be the guy who sets the precedent that maps can be developed outside of the system and without public input. If the admins ask/permit me to make something fun and silly to celebrate a holiday that's another thing.

If folks like the gameplay of this map I would suggest they visit the Foundry and voice their support for the development of such a map. I suspect that a map that relies less on the luck of the dice can be made.
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby neanderpaul14 on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:48 am

sailorseal wrote:I think there should be a poll to see if the map stays


I agree with sailorseal.......before just killing this one off let's see what the people think!!!

My apologies to Oaktown who doesn't wish this map to live on bearing his name. But for a pleasant diversion to some of the more serious and thought provoking maps out there I do believe this one could find a place in the hearts of many.
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby LLLUUUKKKEEE on Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:13 am

oaktown wrote:
sailorseal wrote:I think there should be a poll to see if the map stays

As the mapmaker, I would rather it does NOT stay. We have an active map foundry with very high standards, and I don't want to be the guy who sets the precedent that maps can be developed outside of the system and without public input. If the admins ask/permit me to make something fun and silly to celebrate a holiday that's another thing.

If folks like the gameplay of this map I would suggest they visit the Foundry and voice their support for the development of such a map. I suspect that a map that relies less on the luck of the dice can be made.

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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby Teflon Kris on Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:18 am

If only mapmakers made small maps. There is a dearth of them. That's why this one is proving so popular. The foundry is a collection of individuals discussing their individual projects. It is not just about graphical standards, there is an element of competition too which means simple maps are less attractive ideas to the mapmakers. A map of this kind of ganeplay would be more likely to come about as a team effort. Unless there is a big artistic shift into a post-modern era or something. As it stands, small maps for quick games will continue to be few and far between even though they would be very popular.

Back to the luck issue - the above suggests some very basic strategies may be involved. That is very basic strategy and, you have to have a lot of luck to get to the point of being able to implement it (i.e. never had dodgy dice through the game).

I will rephrase the logical question:

If the map is about luck and basic strategies semi-experienced players would have, then, statistically, a semi-experienced player should win their statistical percentage of games, if they play enough games, statistically? Otherwise, as luck evens itself out statistically, and the player has the required basic strategy, then a mysterious third force must be at work?
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby SirSebstar on Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:55 am

it is not much more about luck then any other map, it is however certainly about basic playing skills.
I have won most of the games, in some I got whiped out by only getting 6es on defence. Still a few I won dispite getting a very unlucky start.
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby Teflon Kris on Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:10 am

It's No more about luck than any other map?

So, when it takes 2 turns to get past each neutral, there's pletny of room for strategy?

I guess you can try and put the other player off with comments in Game Chat? Hack into his ISP so he cant take his go? Become an Oil-Baron's mate and get him to bomb your opponent?

Okay, even if we accept this, the question remains: Is there any reason why a player who scores reasonably on a wide range of other maps cannot score reasonably on this map (over a statistically acceptable number of games to allow for dice equalisation)? It is not a map where you can get whooped by an expert since it is new to all.
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby pinkflaminko on Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:47 am

AWW come on everyone knows its mostly luck. I lost 250 points from it yesterday, and all of them I would lose the simplest attack of 25 on 5 and then my opponent would win a 3 on 5 and hold the gold because I cant break it, LUCK.
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Re: St. Patrick's Day Map and Speed Game Holiday

Postby sailorseal on Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:19 am

Just a FYI oak the XML doe not match the map
Map: "Pot o' Gold"
XML: "Pot of Gold"
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