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Our Lady is burning

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:58 pm

This movie, the first of the "Universal Monsters" series, which eventually was famous for Dracula, the Mummy etc., is well worth a watch. You can torrent a better version legally (it's in the public domain), but I know you're too lazy, so just watch the YouTube version:


Of note is that they softened Victor Hugo's hatred of the church by making the villain the archdeacon's brother.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby HitRed on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:01 pm

I will send money. This is a world cultural icon. Renovation is always a very dangerous time for any structure. Power tools, welding, workers carelessly smoking.

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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:14 pm

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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby HitRed on Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:40 pm

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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby karel on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:06 pm

it is sad to see burn even if your not religious
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby mrswdk on Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:33 pm

Imagine being the guy who chucked his cigarette off the scaffolding and realised he hadn't put it out properly.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:22 pm

I heard that it was a Macedonian who carelessly used a match to light his fart for a good laugh.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby HitRed on Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:49 pm

It's important to forgive. But if you can't...

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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby riskllama on Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:47 pm

truly a sad day for France...:(.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:54 pm

Notre Dame is a government-owned building and Emmanuel Macron is head of the government.

Macron wants to do for Europe what he's done for France.

BREXIT or LOSE IT ...

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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Hans Christian Andersen wrote:Just living is not enough,” said the butterfly, “one must have sunshine, freedom and a little flower.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby waauw on Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:26 am

Sad day for history and culture.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby mrswdk on Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:32 am

Charities have set up appeals and already received charitable donations from around the globe to help rebuild the cathedral.

In recent years the people have France have suffered tremendously from economic decline, political unrest, religious persecution and the constant erosion and undermining of their civil liberties. It is time the world did something positive for them.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby waauw on Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:42 am

mrswdk wrote:Charities have set up appeals and already received charitable donations from around the globe to help rebuild the cathedral.

In recent years the people have France have suffered tremendously from economic decline, political unrest, religious persecution and the constant erosion and undermining of their civil liberties. It is time the world did something positive for them.


Shouldn't you applaud that? I mean, aside from the economic decline that's exactly what's happening in China on a much larger scale, and to a harsher extent.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:27 am

mrswdk wrote:Charities have set up appeals and already received charitable donations from around the globe to help rebuild the cathedral.


I would NOT donate to one of those.

I hope Notre Dame does get rebuilt. However, it's a government-owned building and the annual French budget is €1.4 trillion. I've seen preliminary estimates put reconstruction costs at €1 billion/year over three years. The French government can absolutely afford to rebuild it with no outside help if they determine their priorities and choices. They could dock the pay of all 5 million public sector workers by €200/year for three years (or about 0.2% for someone making €50K). That's the cost a used iPad. If France accepts any outside donations they're saying they'd like Notre Dame repaired but ... it's worth less to them than a used iPad.

France democratically chose this government which is so buffoonish it couldn't take proper precautions to prevent a dropped cigarette from burning to a smoldering ruin an 800 year old UNESCO World Heritage Site - something that Notre Dame had somehow managed to avoid for eight centuries previously. France elected Macron therefore France needs to pay for his actions, or lack thereof.

It would be a different story if it weren't a government-owned facility. But it is. So every euro you donate to rebuilding costs means you're not actually helping rebuild Notre Dame, you're subsidizing the disposable income of French public sector workers. You're not helping rebuild Notre Dame, you're sparing the French government the inconvenience of having to spend an extra 30 minutes debating next year's budget in the National Assembly.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:27 am

saxitoxin wrote:
mrswdk wrote:Charities have set up appeals and already received charitable donations from around the globe to help rebuild the cathedral.


I would NOT donate to one of those.

I hope Notre Dame does get rebuilt. However, it's a government-owned building and the annual French budget is €1.4 trillion. I've seen preliminary estimates put reconstruction costs at €1 billion/year over three years. The French government can absolutely afford to rebuild it with no outside help if they determine their priorities and choices. They could dock the pay of all 5 million public sector workers by €200/year for three years (or about 0.2% for someone making €50K). That's the cost a used iPad. If France accepts any outside donations they're saying they'd like Notre Dame repaired but ... it's worth less to them than a used iPad.

France democratically chose this government which is so buffoonish it couldn't take proper precautions to prevent a dropped cigarette from burning to a smoldering ruin an 800 year old UNESCO World Heritage Site - something that Notre Dame had somehow managed to avoid for eight centuries previously. France elected Macron therefore France needs to pay for his actions, or lack thereof.

It would be a different story if it weren't a government-owned facility. But it is. So every euro you donate to rebuilding costs means you're not actually helping rebuild Notre Dame, you're subsidizing the disposable income of French public sector workers. You're not helping rebuild Notre Dame, you're sparing the French government the inconvenience of having to spend an extra 30 minutes debating next year's budget in the National Assembly.



You are such an elitist, punishing the ordinary worker to pay to restore a historic building. Nice.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby 2dimes on Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:30 am

Saxi is refusing to donate 5 bucks 'merican. A world unesco heritage site is not worth the price of a latte to him.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby HitRed on Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:37 am

We're going to make The Lady great again!

I was there in 1991. Amazing and massive. The worst part was Noon mass had 1 priest and 6 locals. Hopefully attendence has improved sence then. It should be more than a tourist site.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:14 am

2dimes wrote:Saxi is refusing to donate 5 bucks 'merican. A world unesco heritage site is not worth the price of a latte to him.


If he did donate....it would be in rubles.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:02 am

Notre Dame is the most impressive building I've ever been in. Only the Alhambra comes even close.

Notre Dame is small compared to St. Peter's and several other cathedrals built later, but St. Peters feels like a train station. So do the other mega-cathedrals like Milan. Walking through Notre Dame I always felt like the stone was speaking to me. It's an intimacy; very hard to describe accurately in words.
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby 2dimes on Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:26 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:If he did donate....it would be in rubles.


So..

I should have wrote:Saxi is refusing to donate 5 bucks 'merican 37 rubles. A world unesco heritage site is not worth the price of a latte vodka to him.
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The Real Question

Postby HitRed on Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:01 pm

The real question:

Is the keeper (French Government) doing a great job? When you compare St. Peters to Notre Dame there is no comparison which is better condition. Both are great for tourists, religious pilgrims but the upkeep on St. Peters is second to none. Maybe the Catholic Church should run all aspects of the cathedral?
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby mrswdk on Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:19 pm

Yeah I mean, France is one of the richest nations on the planet and the Vatican's GDP is roughly equivalent to that of Singapore. And they can't between them pay to maintain a world heritage site that is apparently of great cultural significance to both of them?
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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:50 pm

Yeah, BINGO.

The Hagia Sophia I think, but I may remember incorrectly, is the world's oldest cathedral. And it's owned by the Turkish government and is like 600 years older than Notre Dame. And, inexplicably, it has yet to burn down.

Are safety standards and fire protection in Istanbul really better than Paris? Are Muslim governments more protective of Catholic cathedrals than Catholic governments are protective of Catholic cathedrals? Neither of those sound likely. Which leads to the conclusion that France is being incompetently run by amateurs who have no idea what they're doing. Notre Dame is just one of the most visible symptoms of a rotting state.

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Re: Our Lady is burning

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:39 pm

Why am I not surprised to see saxipuke taking cheap shots at France during this great tragedy?

Fires are not a political matter. It only takes one careless workman to set something on fire, and that has nothing to do with politics or economics. There have been a lot of horrific fires over the years in a lot of places, under ever imaginable political and economic scenario.
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