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betiko wrote:

Pirlo wrote:

betiko wrote:well the brazilian championship is getting each time more money.... pato signed for the corinthians today!
and by the way... the corinthians won the club's world cup a couple of weeks ago vs chelsea, so they aren't too far off.
The copa america and the african cup of nation should be held 1ce every 4 years, just like the eurocup. calendars don't have time for that shit, and making the event rare makes people and players more into it.

Copa america is held every 4 years... African one still needs to be the same.. and it's much better if they held it in summer instead of mid-season.

oh they did change it for the copa america,but it's since an edition or 2 max right?

africa, it's just impossible to make it in the northern hemispheresummer, unless it s in south africa..

Copa america is kind of confusing... it used to be regularly held every 2 years till 2001.. then the crap began when they shifted it to 2004 instead of 2003 upon a request made by the FIFA... the next one was held 3 years later in 2007 which made it even more confusing.. 4 years later, they held the next one and to my knowledge, it's gonna be every 4 years.

Africa? yeah their atmosphere is annoying but they need to make it every 4 years.

Listening to the game on the satellite radio. FA: Chelsea 5 FA: Southampton 1

Listening to the game is interesting.

In a few minutes I'll be listening to FA: Manchester United FA: West Ham United
Just heard that Beckham is at the stadium with his kids watching the game.

tzor wrote:Listening to the game on the satellite radio. FA: Chelsea 5 FA: Southampton 1

Listening to the game is interesting.

In a few minutes I'll be listening to FA: Manchester United FA: West Ham United
Just heard that Beckham is at the stadium with his kids watching the game.

Van Persie tied the score at the 91 min.

Another game...

Messi you legend!

Pirlo wrote:Messi you legend!

He was sporting the beatles look in 2010 lol. Kidding aside the amount of goals he puts up is pretty sick, don't dare to say he's better than Maradona because I'm not old enough to have seen Maradona play, but he's certainly the best striker of today.

Gillipig wrote:

Pirlo wrote:Messi you legend!

He was sporting the beatles look in 2010 lol. Kidding aside the amount of goals he puts up is pretty sick, don't dare to say he's better than Maradona because I'm not old enough to have seen Maradona play, but he's certainly the best striker of today.

Agreed! Such is the joy of being a Barça fan.
That polka-dot suit is just awful, though. I didn't know they even made anything like that - and I didn't want to, to be honest.

that suit was worn just because maradona had one like that when he received one of his ballons d'or.

just let messi win a world cup and there will be no such thing called maradona in argentina.

ps: scary to see how a face can change from one year to the next..

betiko wrote:that suit was worn just because maradona had one like that when he received one of his ballons d'or.

just let messi win a world cup and there will be no such thing called maradona in argentina.

ps: scary to see how a face can change from one year to the next..

I don't think he needs the world cup to prove his quality.. it's just media and grumpy old people who think the world cup is the most elite title.

While I don't see the comparison valid because each of them belongs to a completely different era of football history, I'd always tend to think the newer generations are better than the older ones because things keep getting harder as humanity will always be developing. Our parents keep underestimate us though!

lol @ the face change... could be due to his young age.. you know, people evolve more when they are younger. Or it could be due to the hell of pressure those superstars experience during their career, especially when the hugest pain (aka Mourinho) is your constant rival on the pitch and press conferences!

Pirlo wrote:Messi you legend!

The best I've watched play in 50 years viewing..better than Maradona,Pele,Cruyff,Best,Zidane,and not at his peak yet......phenomenal.

Pirlo wrote:

betiko wrote:that suit was worn just because maradona had one like that when he received one of his ballons d'or.

just let messi win a world cup and there will be no such thing called maradona in argentina.

ps: scary to see how a face can change from one year to the next..

I don't think he needs the world cup to prove his quality.. it's just media and grumpy old people who think the world cup is the most elite title.

While I don't see the comparison valid because each of them belongs to a completely different era of football history, I'd always tend to think the newer generations are better than the older ones because things keep getting harder as humanity will always be developing. Our parents keep underestimate us though!

lol @ the face change... could be due to his young age.. you know, people evolve more when they are younger. Or it could be due to the hell of pressure those superstars experience during their career, especially when the hugest pain (aka Mourinho) is your constant rival on the pitch and press conferences!

He needs a world cup! It's the holy grail in football, like stanley cup is for hockey.

Gillipig wrote:

Pirlo wrote:

betiko wrote:that suit was worn just because maradona had one like that when he received one of his ballons d'or.

just let messi win a world cup and there will be no such thing called maradona in argentina.

ps: scary to see how a face can change from one year to the next..

I don't think he needs the world cup to prove his quality.. it's just media and grumpy old people who think the world cup is the most elite title.

While I don't see the comparison valid because each of them belongs to a completely different era of football history, I'd always tend to think the newer generations are better than the older ones because things keep getting harder as humanity will always be developing. Our parents keep underestimate us though!

lol @ the face change... could be due to his young age.. you know, people evolve more when they are younger. Or it could be due to the hell of pressure those superstars experience during their career, especially when the hugest pain (aka Mourinho) is your constant rival on the pitch and press conferences!

He needs a world cup! It's the holy grail in football, like stanley cup is for hockey.

Hypothetical question,what if a player as brilliant as Messi or Maradona played for a country that had no chance of even qualifying for the World Cup never mind winning it,would they deserve to be ranked best player in the world?

chang50 wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

Pirlo wrote:

betiko wrote:that suit was worn just because maradona had one like that when he received one of his ballons d'or.

just let messi win a world cup and there will be no such thing called maradona in argentina.

ps: scary to see how a face can change from one year to the next..

I don't think he needs the world cup to prove his quality.. it's just media and grumpy old people who think the world cup is the most elite title.

While I don't see the comparison valid because each of them belongs to a completely different era of football history, I'd always tend to think the newer generations are better than the older ones because things keep getting harder as humanity will always be developing. Our parents keep underestimate us though!

lol @ the face change... could be due to his young age.. you know, people evolve more when they are younger. Or it could be due to the hell of pressure those superstars experience during their career, especially when the hugest pain (aka Mourinho) is your constant rival on the pitch and press conferences!

He needs a world cup! It's the holy grail in football, like stanley cup is for hockey.

Hypothetical question,what if a player as brilliant as Messi or Maradona played for a country that had no chance of even qualifying for the World Cup never mind winning it,would they deserve to be ranked best player in the world?

Bingo... legends like Shevchenko and Nedved barely qualified and took their nations there to WC.. but they are still legends... Messi was offered a place in Spain's team, but he rejected it for his shitty national team.

I think Argentina team is too crap to win especially with the incredible progress and dominance of Europeans recently. Even Maradona himself wouldn't be able to win it with today's Argentina IMO!

Pirlo wrote:
I think Argentina team is too crap to win especially with the incredible progress and dominance of Europeans recently. Even Maradona himself wouldn't be able to win it with today's Argentina IMO!

Now stop your car there. Can you really say this?

What about Tevez, el Kun, LAvezzi, Higuain. (i know their all offenders, still impressive)

And what about other Argentinian teams that we've all said they were a super team and never did anything? (previous to messi)

You cannot go and say that, specially because you say many other things profesionally, you are venturing a big guess there.

Maradona was Maradona and may never be Messi or Pele but Maradona was Maradona. Messi will never be Maradona. Maradona will never be Messi.

But Maradona won a world cup and scored a spectacular goal against England, epic not only because he left 6 behind but by the way and style he did it. He was a natural.

Messi will be the best by the end of his era whether he wins or not a WC, but he will never be Maradona. Maradona was a natural, a born hero. Messi don't. He's different, perhaps the best, but he's not Maradona.

Winning a WC has his merit, let's not make it trivial.

Zidane, Ronaldo, Maradona, players that won a WC for their teams. Don't take that away from them.

Pirlo wrote:Even Maradona himself wouldn't be able to win it with today's Argentina IMO!

This exactly. Messi is a legend for his own skills. You can't blame Argentina for not keeping up with that. Of course Messi needs good players behind him to make the goals, but the way he has with the ball is just incredible. Most of us, including me, are too young to have seen Maradona play live, but I'm quite certain Messi has a unique gift that hasn't been seen before.

As for nietzsche's post, he's right. A WC has its merit, but I'm not trying to take away from them. It just doesn't have much to do with the skill of one particular player.

just put guardiola as head coach of argentina, then you'll tell me if they have a shit team.
Seriously, compare argentina and brazil individually. the argentinians have way better players, this generation of brazilians sucks. Spanish are getting old

betiko wrote:just put guardiola as head coach of argentina, then you'll tell me if they have a shit team.
Seriously, compare argentina and brazil individually. the argentinians have way better players, this generation of brazilians sucks. Spanish are getting old

I might be interested in discussing this with you, but I'd like to hear your point.

betiko wrote:just put guardiola as head coach of argentina, then you'll tell me if they have a shit team.
Seriously, compare argentina and brazil individually. the argentinians have way better players, this generation of brazilians sucks. Spanish are getting old

It is nice to have 4 or 5 of the best attacking players in the world but it doesn't matter if you can't defend worth a shit or you can't get the ball to them in proper positions. Spanish aren't as old as you think. They should be good for next world cup. You could argue they will have more players at their peak in more positions next year.

Nola_Lifer wrote:

betiko wrote:just put guardiola as head coach of argentina, then you'll tell me if they have a shit team.
Seriously, compare argentina and brazil individually. the argentinians have way better players, this generation of brazilians sucks. Spanish are getting old

It is nice to have 4 or 5 of the best attacking players in the world but it doesn't matter if you can't defend worth a shit or you can't get the ball to them in proper positions. Spanish aren't as old as you think. They should be good for next world cup. You could argue they will have more players at their peak in more positions next year.

AND, there are a LOT of good players in the Spanish U21 side. Spain will be a team to beat for a long time to come.

yeah I just hate the spanish team since ever, even worse than the italian team lol! definitely france's 2 mortal enemies in football!

other than this, appart from zabaleta and garay in defense i have to say they don t have much top class players there, but midfielf, seriously? Di María, Fernando Gago, Javier Mascherano, Maxi Rodríguez, Salvio, Esteban Cambiasso....

and my point was that maradona is a shit coach.

my other point is that i challenge anyone to make a team with brazilian players better that what you can do with argentian players today.

nietzsche wrote:

Pirlo wrote:
I think Argentina team is too crap to win especially with the incredible progress and dominance of Europeans recently. Even Maradona himself wouldn't be able to win it with today's Argentina IMO!

Now stop your car there. Can you really say this?

What about Tevez, el Kun, LAvezzi, Higuain. (i know their all offenders, still impressive)

And what about other Argentinian teams that we've all said they were a super team and never did anything? (previous to messi)

You cannot go and say that, specially because you say many other things profesionally, you are venturing a big guess there.

Maradona was Maradona and may never be Messi or Pele but Maradona was Maradona. Messi will never be Maradona. Maradona will never be Messi.

But Maradona won a world cup and scored a spectacular goal against England, epic not only because he left 6 behind but by the way and style he did it. He was a natural.

Messi will be the best by the end of his era whether he wins or not a WC, but he will never be Maradona. Maradona was a natural, a born hero. Messi don't. He's different, perhaps the best, but he's not Maradona.

Winning a WC has his merit, let's not make it trivial.

Zidane, Ronaldo, Maradona, players that won a WC for their teams. Don't take that away from them.

Oh come on Nietto!!!

El Kun is a great player... Higuain is ok.. Lavezzi? tell me you are kidding please... Tevez is a piece of shit and unreliable prick who could at any moment disappoint the hell out of you.

annnnnnnnnnd I never said WC was unworthy, did I? Messi needs the WC only to make his unique achievements perfect, not to prove himself the best though, because he already did the latter even with no WC

I'm a fan of Argentina, and I watch them sooooooo closely... enough to know what their real problems are.. It's way much deeper than just a coach. To mention some of them, they have a retarded federation, shitty media that always put too much pressure on players, lack of games in a decent competition other than the world cup, poor economy that limit their budget to hire a good technical staff, and lack of key players in midfield and defense!

Pirlo wrote:
Oh come on Nietto!!!

El Kun is a great player... Higuain is ok.. Lavezzi? tell me you are kidding please... Tevez is a piece of shit and unreliable prick who could at any moment disappoint the hell out of you.

annnnnnnnnnd I never said WC was unworthy, did I? Messi needs the WC only to make his unique achievements perfect, not to prove himself the best though, because he already did the latter even with no WC

I'm a fan of Argentina, and I watch them sooooooo closely... enough to know what their real problems are.. It's way much deeper than just a coach. To mention some of them, they have a retarded federation, shitty media that always put too much pressure on players, lack of games in a decent competition other than the world cup, poor economy that limit their budget to hire a good technical staff, and lack of key players in midfield and defense!

You know I love you that's why I have to treat you badly so you become stronger.

Remember the Argentina of La Brujita Veron? I bet you also thought it was an incredible team, yet they didn't win the WC, if only they had had Maradona

nietzsche wrote:

Pirlo wrote:
Oh come on Nietto!!!

El Kun is a great player... Higuain is ok.. Lavezzi? tell me you are kidding please... Tevez is a piece of shit and unreliable prick who could at any moment disappoint the hell out of you.

annnnnnnnnnd I never said WC was unworthy, did I? Messi needs the WC only to make his unique achievements perfect, not to prove himself the best though, because he already did the latter even with no WC

I'm a fan of Argentina, and I watch them sooooooo closely... enough to know what their real problems are.. It's way much deeper than just a coach. To mention some of them, they have a retarded federation, shitty media that always put too much pressure on players, lack of games in a decent competition other than the world cup, poor economy that limit their budget to hire a good technical staff, and lack of key players in midfield and defense!

You know I love you that's why I have to treat you badly so you become stronger.

Remember the Argentina of La Brujita Veron? I bet you also thought it was an incredible team, yet they didn't win the WC, if only they had had Maradona

huh? you mean Juan Veron the legendary maestro? I think they needed a bit of luck to conquer that death group. They had more than enough superstars.

I think one of the factors to affect Argentina performance is the downfall of Serie A... the Italian Calcio seemed to be am idea environment for the Argentine players. If my memory is good, the majority of that super team of 2002 came from Serie A, no?

Pirlo wrote:

nietzsche wrote:

Pirlo wrote:
Oh come on Nietto!!!

El Kun is a great player... Higuain is ok.. Lavezzi? tell me you are kidding please... Tevez is a piece of shit and unreliable prick who could at any moment disappoint the hell out of you.

annnnnnnnnnd I never said WC was unworthy, did I? Messi needs the WC only to make his unique achievements perfect, not to prove himself the best though, because he already did the latter even with no WC

I'm a fan of Argentina, and I watch them sooooooo closely... enough to know what their real problems are.. It's way much deeper than just a coach. To mention some of them, they have a retarded federation, shitty media that always put too much pressure on players, lack of games in a decent competition other than the world cup, poor economy that limit their budget to hire a good technical staff, and lack of key players in midfield and defense!

You know I love you that's why I have to treat you badly so you become stronger.

Remember the Argentina of La Brujita Veron? I bet you also thought it was an incredible team, yet they didn't win the WC, if only they had had Maradona

huh? you need Juan Veron the legendary maestro? I think they needed a bit of luck to conquer that death group. They had more than enough superstars.

I think one of the factors to affect Argentina performance is the downfall of Serie A... the Italian Calcio seemed to be am idea environment for the Argentine players. If my memory is good, the majority of that super team of 2002 came from Serie A, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_ ... #Argentina

Only 1 more than from Spain. But yes, the most important ones were playing in Italy: Veron, Zanetti, Simeone, Batistuta, El Piojo, Samuel.