You know what really grinds my gears...

[2dimes]

Fast posted.

I sort of get you here. I don't have any violins, never mind an expensive one. Doubt I could tell which was which if someone played them both.

Reminds me of watching loony toons with my kids and their cousins that don't watch much television, one of them says, "Bugs Bunny isn't very good on the piano. This sounds terrible."

I suspect at the time the person who played the piece was a pretty good player. Maybe one of the best available.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

People who request Back in Black on the radio.

Or any AC/DC song, for that matter. Not that I have a problem with them, but can't you just wait, like, 5 fucking songs and hear any other AC/DC tune?

I was listening to Alice Cooper a couple of weeks ago and some twat requested Back in Black. So, not only do you choose to request a song that gets played probably numerous times daily on each rock station, but you choose to waste this request on a DJ who'll actually play something that's not commonly played on the radio? Douche chill.

-TG

[muy_thaiguy]

People who complain about the Almighty AC/DC. :p

But seriously, reality TV. Screw it. They make idiots into TV celebs, and even if I never watch the show, I STILL have to hear about them. Paris Hilton and Honey Boo-Boo come to mind. Hell, I had to freakin' google Honey Boo-Boo just to know what people were talking about. Ended up watching the South Park episode on the matter, which, as usual, was awesome.

[Lootifer]

People who drink Powerade Zero.

Seriously I hate stupidity when it manifests itself in consumption of a pointless product.

[rant about how pointless powerade zero is]
Right!

The thing with powerade zero is it contains electrolytes, but no calories. On the surface that seems fine. Many products are like this. HOWEVER unlike coke zero or pepsi max or other zero calorie drinks powerade zero is marketed as a sports supplement; you dont see ads for coke zero on the wall of a gym.

Now marketing it as a sports supplement is fine; free market and all that. But my problem is people consuming it as a sport supplment. These people are flat out fucking retarded. They should have their voting rights disabled as they have quite clearly shown the inability to critically think. Let me explain why.

Electrolyte sports supplments are very useful things. In fact many coaches and sports nutritionists will actively tell their athletes to consume them. The reason is they work: during hard exercise your body depletes many things, two of which are energy and electrolytes (basically salts). Within 20 minutes of exercise your body is going to want these things, in fact our bodies have been created or evolved to have the ability to absorb these things at a much quicker rate than we normally would stright after exercise - by doing so we are also assisting the training process (i.e. building muscle/improving CV system etc).

Now there are two types of exercisers: those who work hard, and those who turn up to the gym and do f*ck all*. Only those who work hard actually need to drink powerade or any other sports drink; those who do f*ck all dont because they dont deplete their electrolyte or energy levels in any meaningful way. Powerade Zero is useless to both these types (but is aimed at both). The first group would be shooting themselves in the foot by drinking powerade zero because they need the glycogen injection into their muscles - regardless of motivation (weight loss/fitness/whatever) you dont really want to neglect this as it will hurt your progress - in fact the energy top up is more important than the electrolyte top up. The second group should just be drinking water; they do not need the electrolytes; in fact if they want something other than water drink coke zero or some other low-cal fizzy drink: it usually tastes better (I dont drink either, but generally speaking).

TL;DR: There is no one who needs to drink powerade zero for sporting purposes. Thus anyone who does is a fucking toolface moron.
[/rant about how pointless powerade zero is]

* I am being unfairly harsh on casual or low-pain exercisers: dont get me wrong, I like what you are doing and encourage you to keep doing it; but just think: If you could get another wear out of your gym gear at a push (you wouldnt of course, but its not dripping in sweat) then you dont need to drink powerade.

[john9blue]

i drink PZ cuz it tastes good

[TA1LGUNN3R]

People who drink Powerade Zero.

Seriously I hate stupidity when it manifests itself in consumption of a pointless product.

[rant about how pointless powerade zero is]
Right!

The thing with powerade zero is it contains electrolytes, but no calories. On the surface that seems fine. Many products are like this. HOWEVER unlike coke zero or pepsi max or other zero calorie drinks powerade zero is marketed as a sports supplement; you dont see ads for coke zero on the wall of a gym.

Now marketing it as a sports supplement is fine; free market and all that. But my problem is people consuming it as a sport supplment. These people are flat out fucking retarded. They should have their voting rights disabled as they have quite clearly shown the inability to critically think. Let me explain why.

Electrolyte sports supplments are very useful things. In fact many coaches and sports nutritionists will actively tell their athletes to consume them. The reason is they work: during hard exercise your body depletes many things, two of which are energy and electrolytes (basically salts). Within 20 minutes of exercise your body is going to want these things, in fact our bodies have been created or evolved to have the ability to absorb these things at a much quicker rate than we normally would stright after exercise - by doing so we are also assisting the training process (i.e. building muscle/improving CV system etc).

Now there are two types of exercisers: those who work hard, and those who turn up to the gym and do f*ck all*. Only those who work hard actually need to drink powerade or any other sports drink; those who do f*ck all dont because they dont deplete their electrolyte or energy levels in any meaningful way. Powerade Zero is useless to both these types (but is aimed at both). The first group would be shooting themselves in the foot by drinking powerade zero because they need the glycogen injection into their muscles - regardless of motivation (weight loss/fitness/whatever) you dont really want to neglect this as it will hurt your progress - in fact the energy top up is more important than the electrolyte top up. The second group should just be drinking water; they do not need the electrolytes; in fact if they want something other than water drink coke zero or some other low-cal fizzy drink: it usually tastes better (I dont drink either, but generally speaking).

TL;DR: There is no one who needs to drink powerade zero for sporting purposes. Thus anyone who does is a fucking toolface moron.
[/rant about how pointless powerade zero is]

* I am being unfairly harsh on casual or low-pain exercisers: dont get me wrong, I like what you are doing and encourage you to keep doing it; but just think: If you could get another wear out of your gym gear at a push (you wouldnt of course, but its not dripping in sweat) then you dont need to drink powerade.

Actually, Powerade/Gatorade/sports drinks (anything that tries to sell you "electrolytes") are pretty much modern day snake oil and are a waste of money unless you're a marathon runner or strenuously exercise more than 6 hours.

From my a&p book:

Unfounded notions and rumors about water and salt requirements during exercise abound. Sweat is a hypotonic solution that contains Na+ in lower concentration than the ECF [extracellular fluid]. As a result, a person who is sweating profusely loses more water than salt, and this loss leads to a rise in the Na+ concentration of the ECF. The water content of the ECF decreases as the water loss occurs, so blood volume drops. Clinically, this condition is called volume depletion. Because volume depletion occurs at the same time that blood is being shunted away from the kidneys, kidney function is impaired and waste products accumulate in the blood.

To prevent volume depletion, exercising athletes should drink liquids at regular intervals. The primary problem in volume depletion is water loss, and research has revealed no basis for the rumor that cramps will result if you drink while exercising. Salt pills and the various sports beverages that claim "faster absorption" and "better electrolyte balance" have no apparent benefits. Body reserves of electrolytes are sufficient to tolerate extended periods of strenuous activity, and problems with Na+ balance are extremely unlikely except during marathons or other activities that involve maximal exertion for more than six hours. However, both volume depletion (causing acute renal failure) and water intoxication (causing fatal hyponatremia [low sodium concentration in serum]) have occurred in marathon runners.

Some sports beverages contain sugars and vitamins as well as electrolytes. During endurance events, solutions containing less than 10 g/dL of glucose may improve one's performance if consumed late in the event, when metabolic reserves are exhausted. However, high sugar concentrations (above 10 g/dL) can cause cramps, diarrhea, and other problems. The benefit of "glucose polymers" (often cornstarch) in sports drinks has yet to be proved. Drinking beverages "fortified" with vitamins is actively discouraged: Vitamins are not lost during exercise, and the consumption of these beverages in large volumes could, over time, cause hypervitaminosis.

-Frederic H. Martini, Ph.D., Judi L Nath, Ph.D., Edwin F. Bartholomew, M.S.

-TG

[BigBallinStalin]

So electrolytes is not what plants crave?

[Lootifer]

I was talking about post workout. Not pre or during.

And yeah electrolytes are pretty meh. But im paying the same for a bottle of coke as I am gatorade and I would prefer non carbonated. You can mix sugar with water and drink that as far as I'm concerned. Just dont drink ssalt solution with sweetner and claim its because ur sporty

[BigBallinStalin]

I like some lemonade with a lil salt. Mix about 2 liters of that, and a day of outdoor labor will be manageable. To hell with those corporate electrolytes! Grinds my gears! And those damn consumers and their individual preferences!

[Army of GOD]

I don't drink Gatorade for the electrolytes (though they are what I crave) but because it tastes damn good while playing a sport.

[Lootifer]

Orange ice 4 lyfe

[Army of GOD]

Fruit Punch fuckers

[PLAYER57832]

Actually, Powerade/Gatorade/sports drinks (anything that tries to sell you "electrolytes") are pretty much modern day snake oil and are a waste of money unless you're a marathon runner or strenuously exercise more than 6 hours.

Its worse than that. They are socked full of either sugar or artificial sugars in such quantities they are bad for adults, nevermind kids. They can actually effective dehydrate young kids, in some cases. (give them too many electrolytes compared to the fluid intake).

Even marathon runners really need to pair it with water.

[Lootifer]

Sports drinks are perfectly good for athletes. Its just the proportion sports drink consumers who qualify as genuine athletes is incredibly small.

Blame the marketing and culture; not the product.

[ManBungalow]

Actually, Powerade/Gatorade/sports drinks (anything that tries to sell you "electrolytes") are pretty much modern day snake oil and are a waste of money unless you're a marathon runner or strenuously exercise more than 6 hours.

Its worse than that. They are socked full of either sugar or artificial sugars in such quantities they are bad for adults, nevermind kids. They can actually effective dehydrate young kids, in some cases. (give them too many electrolytes compared to the fluid intake).

Even marathon runners really need to pair it with water.

I'm not sure what you mean by artificial sugars. Ultimately, all sugars are plant products. There's just no reason not to use the sugar provided to us. Except it's possible to use sugar substitutes, and/or 'artificial other stuff'.

[Lootifer]

I think she means artifical sweeteners. Like Saxitoxin for example.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sports drinks are perfectly good for athletes. Its just the proportion sports drink consumers who qualify as genuine athletes is incredibly small.

Blame the marketing and culture; not the product.

If it tastes good, then so what? What's the big deal?


*(Note: I drink this stuff called 'water'. High-tech shit.)

[Lootifer]

If it tastes good, then so what? What's the big deal?


*(Note: I drink this stuff called 'water'. High-tech shit.)

I loath stupidity. And people whom I am calling stupid dont drink it cause it tastes good. They drink it because its a (1) a sports drink and theyre sporty right?! and (2) it is zero cal, cause they, like, are watching their weight right?!?!

i.e. the product wouldnt exist if people weren't stupid. I am not blaming amatil for exploiting stupid people; im blaming stupid people for being stupid.

If you drink it cause it tastes good then I have no problem.

[BigBallinStalin]

If it tastes good, then so what? What's the big deal?


*(Note: I drink this stuff called 'water'. High-tech shit.)

I loath stupidity. And people whom I am calling stupid dont drink it cause it tastes good. They drink it because its a (1) a sports drink and theyre sporty right?! and (2) it is zero cal, cause they, like, are watching their weight right?!?!

i.e. the product wouldnt exist if people weren't stupid. I am not blaming amatil for exploiting stupid people; im blaming stupid people for being stupid.

If you drink it cause it tastes good then I have no problem.

Ohh, right. I forgot about that whole part. Rage on, my kiwi friend! Squirt your acidic juices into their eyes!

[saxitoxin]

Squirt your acidic juices into their eyes!

Let's try to keep it clean, guys.

[john9blue]

I loath stupidity.

c'mon man. i like my sig. don't tempt me to replace it.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Actually, Powerade/Gatorade/sports drinks (anything that tries to sell you "electrolytes") are pretty much modern day snake oil and are a waste of money unless you're a marathon runner or strenuously exercise more than 6 hours.

From my a&p book:

Unfounded notions and rumors about water and salt requirements during exercise abound. Sweat is a hypotonic solution that contains Na+ in lower concentration than the ECF [extracellular fluid]. As a result, a person who is sweating profusely loses more water than salt, and this loss leads to a rise in the Na+ concentration of the ECF. The water content of the ECF decreases as the water loss occurs, so blood volume drops. Clinically, this condition is called volume depletion. Because volume depletion occurs at the same time that blood is being shunted away from the kidneys, kidney function is impaired and waste products accumulate in the blood.

To prevent volume depletion, exercising athletes should drink liquids at regular intervals. The primary problem in volume depletion is water loss, and research has revealed no basis for the rumor that cramps will result if you drink while exercising. Salt pills and the various sports beverages that claim "faster absorption" and "better electrolyte balance" have no apparent benefits. Body reserves of electrolytes are sufficient to tolerate extended periods of strenuous activity, and problems with Na+ balance are extremely unlikely except during marathons or other activities that involve maximal exertion for more than six hours. However, both volume depletion (causing acute renal failure) and water intoxication (causing fatal hyponatremia [low sodium concentration in serum]) have occurred in marathon runners.

Some sports beverages contain sugars and vitamins as well as electrolytes. During endurance events, solutions containing less than 10 g/dL of glucose may improve one's performance if consumed late in the event, when metabolic reserves are exhausted. However, high sugar concentrations (above 10 g/dL) can cause cramps, diarrhea, and other problems. The benefit of "glucose polymers" (often cornstarch) in sports drinks has yet to be proved. Drinking beverages "fortified" with vitamins is actively discouraged: Vitamins are not lost during exercise, and the consumption of these beverages in large volumes could, over time, cause hypervitaminosis.

-Frederic H. Martini, Ph.D., Judi L Nath, Ph.D., Edwin F. Bartholomew, M.S.

-TG

This is interesting. I used to do long distance running (though I don't think I've ever run for "more than 6 hours").

On anything longer than about 2 hours I definitely seemed to feel a difference by using gatorade or those power gell things.
You think it was just in my mind?

[2dimes]

Pretty sure he meant you Haggis. 6 hours or long distance running.

[Army of GOD]

On anything longer than about 2 hours I definitely seemed to feel a difference by using gatorade or those power gell things.
You think it was just in my mind?

Probably just placebo effect.

Again, I love drinking Gatorade because it's delicious, not because I think it has any effect on me.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

On anything longer than about 2 hours I definitely seemed to feel a difference by using gatorade or those power gell things.
You think it was just in my mind?

That or any of the sugar and water that's in it. When you're exercising most of your digestion functions are depressed, so any energy you use is from the breakdown of fats, which is pretty slow, really. Also, fatty acids and keto bodies that result from the breakdown of fat energy generally inhibit glucagon levels and therefore circulating sugar. When you consume sugar it is broken down and absorbed faster than fats, so it'll give you that little spike of energy before the glucagon is inhibited again.

A good strategy for runners, and those trying to lose weight, is to actually drink some plain coffee like 20 minutes before you start running. Coffee is a stimulant much like adrenaline and has similar effects in that it enhances the breakdown of fats much faster than usual, and will translate to more energy for those grueling runs.

But I think running for more than 20 minutes is absolutely ridiculous, anyway. Sprint training ftw.

-TG