ViperOverLord wrote:I gave up posting in this forum b/c there is a two fold problem w/the system.
1. The system of 'justice' is warped and it gives mods entirely too much power to screw over members. The escalating ban system that they use is at the heart of that problem.
2. The mods/admin are inconsistent and beholden to none of us to do a proper job.
Given that this complaint speaks to the second issue that I pointed out, I'll give my relative thoughts.
First off, Herk I like you, but I can see how you have an immature streak so I think these types of problems would follow you. I'm not trying to judge you; I'm sure there are those that would say the same thing about me.
Well thank you. You, good sir, are all too kind.
ViperOverLord wrote:Herk - You seemed to have two issues there.
1. Some sort of original issue that you got banned for that Andy said he was 'leaning towards a misunderstanding.' I'm guessing that's why your ban was revoked or ended early. I notice that there was no admission of wrong doing though and there probably never will be (whether there was or not).
It was actually an accident that my ban was ended. I had a 72 hour ban and a 1 week ban sent to me within the hour... They must have been served consecutively. The original issue was I posted in C & A that KingS sent me a PM saying a certain report would be noted. I asked him in thread why it wasn't. He claimed he never sent the PM. I then got an email from KingA saying that it was he who sent the PM. I used copy/paste and deleted the PM from my inbox. It was a mistake, I explained this and apologized to KingA by PM. Then I got banned... Go figure. The official reasons were for "saying a mod was lying in a public forum" and "misquoting a PM". I asked the entire time for a link to where this is against the rules. Never got a link that shows you can't call someone a liar or accidentally misquote a PM...
ViperOverLord wrote:2. Your second issue is that they were not responding to Juan Bottoms issue even though they were publicly saying that they were.
Yes, this irks me to no end. Andy had the balls to post that my e-ticket was "being responded to". When instead it was ignored for the better part of my ban!
ViperOverLord wrote:I'll try to relate these issues to my experiences with admins/mods.
It's pretty good that you were able to get them to admit at least a misunderstanding that I presume nullified your ban if I'm reading that right. I'm guessing it may have been some sort of technical point that you were right about that they had to admit a 'misunderstanding.' Otherwise when it comes to subjective/arbitrary definitions of baiting/flaming/trolling I've never seen admin admit a wrong decision once something gets to a ban.
Yeah, I guess Andy thinks it was a misunderstand, then thinks it is just too bad... Cause I'm still banned...
ViperOverLord wrote:I know that this was the case with my second ban. I was given four links in which I was accused of baiting. I looked at all four of them. There was no baiting. I replied to issues of the conversation and I even took excessive profanities against me without returning fire. When I brought this up to the admin in my e-ticket; he could not say I was wrong yet he would not reverse the ban. At that point the admin WILL NOT REVERSE subjective judgment no matter how weak and inept it is.
Not only would he not tell me how I was wrong, he would tell me to talk to the global mods after my ban was over. WHAT!?!?!??! - The whole point of an e-ticket is to properly protest a ban. If admin can't support it with facts then overturn it. Don't patronize me and tell me to go and talk to the global mods after a ban is completed. That was bunk and admin knows it.
To add insult to injury another member pm'd me after that second ban was completed and talked trash and told me how I got owned on a thread. He talked about how another mod (a mod who I had no dealings with to that point) had talked trash about how I got owned too (in the thread I was banned for). So mods are going to ban you and then talk trash about how you got owned? Yea that's real professional and fair! (Sarcasm).
Besides learning of what happened, I did not take any action at that time against the mod. I had no faith in the system to do anything anyways.
Recently, I received a warning from that very same mod, warning me of a week ban if I baited any further. He referenced a post that was a week old and advised me to do something that I had already done anyway (which showed that he had not even bothered to do due diligence and read through the thread or else he might have saw the variety of flames against me and not even worried about pretending I was baiting).
I really understand what you are saying here. Rdsrds2120 continues to send me PM after PM warning and threatening to ban me. Quotes posts made 2 weeks ago, for which another admin warned me about IN THE POST BELOW MINE! Rdsrds2120's response was, "Well I am warning you now." I finally added him to my PM filter to be deleted upon receipt.
ViperOverLord wrote:I could tell that I was being condescended to and this mod was taking joy in talking down to me. He was not at all interested in analyzing the situation properly and dealing with me fairly. And when one is a regular poster and he/she knows that mods are going to twist your posts to harshly deal with you then that just is disgusting and a poster's desire to be a part of the community dwindles and it even causes undue stress to the poster.
I protested making an issue of a week old issue and it came back oh it was just an "unofficial warning." That's what happens when they realize they screwed up too. They don't admit wrong doing. They just try to appease you and hope that something goes away.
I also sent a pm to the mod that acted inappropriately, admin, and the head mod; demanding that the mod had acted grossly inappropriately, resign from his post. NONE OF THEM BOTHERED TO EVEN RESPOND. They are above reproach. When you have a group that is willing to allow such unethical behavior then you can never expect real fairness. Just know that. That's when I stopped posting. But I'm posting this now if it helps other posters to consider the reality of things or if admin/mods want to do the right thing now. But I won't hold my breath on that.
And you know what? When a mod issues a ban, talks trash about it and joys in holding another ban over your head. That's worse baiting/flaming than any poster here could ever do. That mod is getting his jollies being unfair and he knows it and admin is allowing him to be a part of the good ole boy network by not doing anything about it. Why should a poster want to post when this obvious double standard is in effect?
That pretty much sums everything up...