US Military Action in Libya?

[saxitoxin]

Video leaked to Maoist News showing U.S. mercenaries training the fake "rebels."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgLig0j ... ture=share

The guys in the video are some of the Al-Qaeda who were released during the January prison break of Islamic radicals that started the "revolution." After being trained by the Pentagon mercs (plus - note the Bahraini flag when the camera pans) they were unleashed on the unsuspecting Libyan civilian population. They would receive a small monetary stipend and permission to rape whatever women they came across, plus promise of a large bonus upon successful overthrow of the legally-constituted Libyan government. They would, further, be promised imposition of Sharia law and the extension of the Caliphate to Libya. So far, all of the promises have been fulfilled. The U.S., at least, honors its contracts.

In return, the Obama regime would receive several million dollars from Exxon, Chevron, Shell and BP. The paper countries needed to legitimize the op - e.g. UK, France, Canada, etc. - would receive guarantees that the U.S. would continue to permit extensive internal self-government in their lands (but would continue to have de facto veto over defense and diplomatic policies of those nations).

It's sad really. I suppose Canada had no real choice. They had to pull the trigger or the hell that would be unleashed on Toronto would be unimaginable.

[BigBallinStalin]

It now turns out no less than 5,000 Qatari ground troops (from Qatar's absolute monarchy) were fighting to overthrow the Libyan government.

http://www.voltairenet.org/a171842

5,000 Qatari troops
2,000 Muslim Brotherhood fighters from Egypt
1,000 imprisoned Al-Qaeda fighters released in the January jail break from Benghazi Central Prison
2,000 Libyan troops from 3 battalions whose commanders were paid $1.5 million/each by CIA
+ unknown numbers of UK, French and American special forces "advisors" and "trainers"
+ 10,000 NATO air and cruise missile strikes

One can see how a "revolution" can succeed without any involvement of the local population ... just Big Oil (e.g. Exoon) and Big Dupes (e.g. Canada).

The Mirror publishes photos of the British mercenaries who were hired to "make a revolution" in Libya -
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -23170485/

What exactly bothers you about this?

Is it the fact that "Western" mercenaries are training local rebels? Or is it the involvement of Western countries which provide the funds to the mercenaries to overthrow Qaddafi and Co.?

What "local rebels"? In light of the current cascade of evidence, it's unclear if there were any rebels at all - just a thrown-together army of Qatari troops, Egyptian radicals, escaped prison inmates and NATO mercs.

When Germany invaded Norway there were a handful of Norwegians who assisted the Wehrmacht. No one calls that the "Norwegian Revolution."

This wasn't a revolution, it was a foreign invasion assisted by a handful of local collaborators who were paid millions of dollars for their loyalty.

I'm not so sure, saxi. I'm not privy to certain information, so the best I can rely upon are media reports like Al-Jazeera's correspondents meeting Libyans and talking about their recruitment process. I saw a couple hundred local rebels from a 30-minute video, but how does that apply to the entire country? I don't know.

We'll have to wait until the fog clears.

I don't see how an estimated 7,000 foreign troops, 1,000 "political prisoners," 2000 bribed Libyan soldiers, and some unknown--but likely to be small*--amount of mercenaries (plus the air strikes) could bring down Qaddafi AND could quell internal uprisings in the cities and towns. It seems that the local militias had to play a large enough role to maintain order, and this is a rough reflection of the general consent of the locals.

If there were hardly any rebels, then the foreign troops would have to fight Qaddafi's soldiers as well as every Libyan local--since non-involvement would most likely lead to local dissent against foreign invaders.


*Many of the mercenaries are also demanded in Afghanistan and Iraq, so it's not like that number is massive.

[BigBallinStalin]

Video leaked to Maoist News showing U.S. mercenaries training the fake "rebels."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgLig0j ... ture=share

The guys in the video are some of the Al-Qaeda who were released during the January prison break of Islamic radicals that started the "revolution." After being trained by the Pentagon mercs (plus - note the Bahraini flag when the camera pans) they were unleashed on the unsuspecting Libyan civilian population. They would receive a small monetary stipend and permission to rape whatever women they came across, plus promise of a large bonus upon successful overthrow of the legally-constituted Libyan government. They would, further, be promised imposition of Sharia law and the extension of the Caliphate to Libya. So far, all of the promises have been fulfilled. The U.S., at least, honors its contracts.

In return, the Obama regime would receive several million dollars from Exxon, Chevron, Shell and BP. The paper countries needed to legitimize the op - e.g. UK, France, Canada, etc. - would receive guarantees that the U.S. would continue to permit extensive internal self-government in their lands (but would continue to have de facto veto over defense and diplomatic policies of those nations).

It's sad really. I suppose Canada had no real choice. They had to pull the trigger or the hell that would be unleashed on Toronto would be unimaginable.

Given that such central planning is so difficult and unlikely to succeed, I highly doubt that the US/NATO and a few oil companies could come to together, draft one plan, and execute it successfully.

[saxitoxin]

Al-Jazeera is White House pocket media. Their Lebanon bureau chief and several of their reporters famously resigned earlier in the year over "extreme bias" in their reporting on events in the M.E., they provided virtually no coverage of the Qatari invasion of Bahrain (of course, the channel is owned by the Emir of Qatar) and RT even caught them in Benghazi organizing protests (the network themselves) for the benefit of camera shots.

Anyway, enough of that.

[saxitoxin]

SERIOUS BREAKING SHIT

Possible breaking news - unconfirmed - about a revolutionary action by the The Green Fist that occurred last night in the Netherlands.

Nothing yet in media.

Dutch aircraft participated in attacks on Libyan civilians.

[BigBallinStalin]

Al-Jazeera is White House pocket media. Their Lebanon bureau chief and several of their reporters famously resigned earlier in the year over "extreme bias" in their reporting on events in the M.E., they provided virtually no coverage of the Qatari invasion of Bahrain (of course, the channel is owned by the Emir of Qatar) and RT even caught them in Benghazi organizing protests (the network themselves) for the benefit of camera shots.

Anyway, enough of that.

Seeing that you're not interested in being sincere with your arguments, then please continue your dance and song.

[Johnny Rockets]

Anyway, enough of that.





JRock

[saxitoxin]

Skype interview with a fighter in the Green Fist detailing the nightly battles in Tripoli and the evolution of their car bombing campaign against the NTC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H51Nn93iF0

Key Points -

- NTC is frantic; conducting random searches of all cars entering Tripoli - government buildings being heavily fortified - any resistance fighter arrested is immediately killed

- large numbers of Qatar and UAE royal troops are on the ground; Sirte is under complete control of Qatari troops who are engaged in mass looting and rape - still resistance is active there

- Green Resistance using Tunisia to regroup; large Libyan expatriate community in Tunisia is helping - NTC Secret Police are deploying in Tunisia to try to develop files on resistance sympathizers

- Minister of Information Moussa Ibrahim is "in a safe place" and "being protected"

[saxitoxin]

Today the NTC declared the Children's Sport Palace in Tripoli, a major youth entertainment complex, would charge $600 annual dues per child. It was formerly free. Poor children are to be denied entrance. No statement by the unelected council on what the money will be used on.

Withdrawals from banks by Libyans have been capped at $500 by NTC edict. Move is to stop the flow of refugees to the south and to Tunisia and Egypt to escape Sharia Law.

[BigBallinStalin]

Saxi, I respect your practicing the art of propaganda; however, I'd like to offer a few tips. This would derail this thread, and since I don't wish to be a thread buster, I dedicated a thread to our potentially fruitful discussion here:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=157190#p3446958

[General_Tao]

LOL @ "mass looting" by Qatari troops, when the Qaddafi clan stashed over $100 billion in foreign banks...

Pathetic.

[saxitoxin]

LOL @ "mass looting" by Qatari troops, when the Qaddafi clan stashed over $100 billion in foreign banks...

I ask the same question Col. Qaddafi asked (and to which no one replied): which banks? You seem 100% confident so that should be an easy question to answer. Give us the names of the banks.

Meanwhile, in Tripoli, the NTC's Al-Qaeda fighters have gone on strike over the fact they're not being paid anymore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEKi4kk8 ... ideo_title

Remember, Libya is now ruled by a former US Department of Energy consultant. We have daily fights in Tripoli, car bombings, sniper attacks by the resistance. If the NTC troops are now on strike things are going to look very bad, very quickly for the US Department of Energy regime.

[General_Tao]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/25/wikil ... gn-accoun/

pwnd.

[Johnny Rockets]

Meanwhile, in Tripoli, the NTC's Al-Qaeda fighters have gone on strike over the fact they're not being paid anymore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEKi4kk8 ... ideo_title

What kind of radical fundamentalists did they hire here? They went cheap, didn't they. They went to the bargain bin and picked up a legion or two of the "Priced to Move" Al-Queda fighters instead of paying a little more, and getting some with a solid shelf life.

Rookie mistake. Now they are going to have to contend with picket lines, and placards. How ate those suicide bombers going to get to work? Do you know how awkward it is to be trying to drive into the parking lot when your friends are pounding on the hood and blocking your way for 15 min? Meanwhile you're inside fretting....just wanting to feed your family while they are spray painting "SCAB" on the roof.......You're thinking: "MAN!!!! All I want to go is go in, strap on my plastique and my bags of nails and go do a days work....."

JRock

[saxitoxin]

Zenten Court declares "no evidence" against Saif al-Islam Qaddafi, orders his "immediate release."

http://www.algeria-isp.com/actualites/p ... -2011.html

It's important to note that Zenten city court is the only court democratically established in Libya since the takeover of the NTC regime; that is the first court whose judges are not appointees of the unelected NTC. "Hated by the Libyan people" indeed.

How long will it be before NATO military commanders override the decision of this legally constituted court? Or Saif "disappears?"

[Phatscotty]

damn...

[saxitoxin]

Syria - which is under UN sanctions for its treatment of peaceful, pro-democracy activists - was rocked by a series of peaceful, pro-democracy suicide bombings this weekend that left more than 90 dead and injured, mostly women, children and the elderly. Families of the dead were reportedly grateful their relatives had died as several of the children killed had been standing in the way of democracy, western state media reported.

The United States has demanded Syria stop using aggressive tactics to confront peaceful, pro-democracy activists and has said that if a string of suicide bombings were unleashed on New York the U.S. would reply with offers of mediation and counseling instead of armed force.

Leading Democrat-Republican American politicians have called on the U.S. to begin burning Syrian police and troops to death with cluster bombs to support the handful of heavily armed peaceful, pro-democracy activists in Syria, a tactic that previously worked in Libya - a country which is now rocked by civil war. United States politicians receive millions of dollars each year from the Zionist Occupation Regime in Palestine - whose army is currently occupying Syrian territory in Golan - and $0 each year from Syria.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/07/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t3

There was no immediate comment from the U.S. or its European lackeys.

[Johnny Rockets]

New thread for this?

J

[Ray Rider]

Syria - which is under UN sanctions for its treatment of peaceful, pro-democracy activists - was rocked by a series of peaceful, pro-democracy suicide bombings this weekend that left more than 90 dead and injured, mostly women, children and the elderly. Families of the dead were reportedly grateful their relatives had died as several of the children killed had been standing in the way of democracy, western state media reported.

The United States has demanded Syria stop using aggressive tactics to confront peaceful, pro-democracy activists and has said that if a string of suicide bombings were unleashed on New York the U.S. would reply with offers of mediation and counseling instead of armed force.

Leading Democrat-Republican American politicians have called on the U.S. to begin burning Syrian police and troops to death with cluster bombs to support the handful of heavily armed peaceful, pro-democracy activists in Syria, a tactic that previously worked in Libya - a country which is now rocked by civil war. United States politicians receive millions of dollars each year from the Zionist Occupation Regime in Palestine - whose army is currently occupying Syrian territory in Golan - and $0 each year from Syria.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/07/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t3

There was no immediate comment from the U.S. or its European lackeys.

It difficult to know exactly what's going on there, but it looks quite suspiciously like the Syrian government may have staged the bombings:

According to the Syrian state media, suicide bombers drove two cars rigged with explosives to points just outside two hard-to-reach facilities: the State Security Administration building and the Military Security base in Kafarsouseh, a neighborhood in central Damascus. These facilities are preceded by several military checkpoints, and any person or vehicle desiring access to them will need to carry a special permit. Cars also tend to be searched thoroughly before being able to roll right on up to the doorstep of secret police headquarters. When a terrorist attack is perpetrated, it takes oodles of man-hours of forensic analysis and data-gathering to determine the party responsible and the methods used. Not so in Syria. The regime’s Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) reported in an impressive 13 minutes that al-Qaeda was the culprit and that a man called Munir al-Binjali “conducted” the attack. The only problem is, al-Binjali is alive and well in Saudi Arabia, not blown to bits in Damascus.

Ah, but temporal contradictions are no match for Baathist logic. Syrian television cut straight to one of its many dolled-up talking heads, who reassured a troubled nation of the “arrest of the terrorists who blew themselves up today.” Here's a screen capture:

As for the 40 people allegedly killed, one Arab League observer surveying the wreckage abandoned his script and bothered to notice the neat circular configuration of corpses around one of the epicenters of the blasts, almost as if the bodies had been placed there deliberately. Eyewitnesses also testified that a road near one of the explosion sites had been blocked off by Syrian security well beforehand.

Etc.

You're disappointing me, Saxi! I thought you were the pro at these these conspiracies!

[saxitoxin]

it looks quite suspiciously like the Syrian government may have staged the bombings:

The evidence for this is significantly less than the evidence supporting other pop culture conspiracy theories, like the U.S. government staging 9/11.

But, not surprisingly, this conspiracy theory is paraded in western media as near-fact. And, it is accepted by the people who absorb the media as fact. What is the difference between the 9/11 conspiracy theory and the Damascus bus bombing conspiracy theory? The former alleges the comic book good guys were to blame, the latter alleges the comic book bad guys were to blame. As far as NPR or FOX are concerned, therefore, the latter can be advanced as legitimate academic inquiry, the former as nutzoid fearmongering.

Even in the fact of these contradictions in framing - which happen daily - people in the west still believe their press is free, impartial and beyond state influence.

[barackattack]

Syrian television cut straight to one of its many dolled-up talking heads, who reassured a troubled nation...

Lol'd. You rang?

[saxitoxin]

The Libyan Armed People (Libyan Army) today recaptured Bani Wald from the NATO-backed "Transitional National Council." At this hour the green flag of the Jamahiryah is now flying over Bani Wald city center and the rebel flag has been torn down and burned. This is reported to be the first stage in a multi-pronged offensive organized by Maj.-Gen. Khamis Qaddafi and followed an insurgent uprising yesterday in Tripoli that stormed NTC headquarters, capturing important documents and other files.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ja ... bani-walid

Additional offensives - involving mechanized and armored elements of the Libyan Armed People - are now underway targeting critical infrastructure in the interior of the country with the goal of destroying all oil production facilities in Libya to make the country unappealing to U.S. and European governments as part of the scorched earth strategy of the Jamahiryah, the legal government of the Libyan state.

[BigBallinStalin]

Hey, sax. Has NATO officially ended all air missions in Libya?

[BigBallinStalin]

The UN has painted a disturbing picture of the situation in Libya.
"The NTC is not fully in control of the country and it has a lot to do with how the country was liberated and how these militias came to be. Until there is a central authority with all the necessary institutions to defend and secure the country in place, there are only limited things that the NTC will be able to do. There are some 150,000 Libyans under arms and as many as 300 militias in the country."

- Bill Lawrence, International Crisis Group


Five months after the fall of Tripoli, the Libyan capital, the security situation is getting worse, not better.

Militias operating outside the control of the interim government - the National Transitional Council (NTC) - remain heavily armed and they continue to detain, and sometimes even torture, hundreds of prisoners suspected of being loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, the former Libyan leader.

Revolutionary forces were involved in recent fatal clashes in Tripoli, Bani Walid and Gharyan - in the west, and Benghazi in the east.

Doctors Without Borders (MSF), the international medical humanitarian organisation, has decided to suspend its operations in detention centres in Misrata after confirming that detainees are being tortured and denied urgent medical care.

The UN says Libyan militias are holding thousands of people in secret detention centres, while the interim government struggles to assert its authority.

Navi Pillay, the UN Human Rights chief, in a report to the UN Security Council said she is deeply concerned.
"We know that at least 60 detention centres exist, of which only six are under the control of the authorities. We visited a number of them and have seen torture and other abuses in all of them ... it is widespread. Many of the detainees we had spoken to did not know why they were being held."

- Carsten Jurgensen, Libya researcher, Amnesty International


Pillay said Libya's revolutionary forces were holding more than 8,000 prisoners in about 60 secret detention centres, most of them accused of being loyal to Gadaffi.

A large number of detainees come from Sub-Saharan African countries. The UN says there is no central authority overseeing the informal prisons, so prisoners are not having their cases reviewed.

Abdurrahman Shalgham, the Libyan ambassador to the UN, has acknowledged the existence of such detention centres, and that they are not under government control.

So who actually controls Libya? And is the ruling National Transitional Council capable of holding the country together through this interim period?

If you care about the above questions, here's a 25-minute video (omg, 25 minutes!? Yeah, I know.)

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2012/01/20121279497910159.html

[saxitoxin]

Peaceful Syrian student youth democracy activists gun-down Australian for disagreeing with them

After Australia violated the Geneva convention by allowing the Syrian embassy in Canberra to be stormed and ransacked - an action that would have met with military retaliation had it been a western embassy in Syria - Australian gunmen then shot a Syrian-Australian supporter of Dr. Bashar al-Assad in both legs after he dared to post a photo of Assad on his Facebook page. Shooting people who engage in unpopular speech is necessary to protect democracy.

Events in Syria are being orchestrated by peaceful Syrian student youth democracy activists and have nothing to do with al-Qaeda or violent religious cults. Just like in Libya! If you disagree with this you will be shot!

http://www.smh.com.au/world/shooting-fo ... 1r1xh.html