US Military Action in Libya?

[Phatscotty]

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[karel]

let syria deal with there own problems,we should do nothing at all,but if a republican wins the white house i can see us going to war,since republicans love to fight wars that we have no reason to be doing,and also why should we help them,do we help countries in africa?no we dont,we just need to stay the f*ck out of the middle east

[BigBallinStalin]

let syria deal with there own problems,we should do nothing at all,but if a republican wins the white house i can see us going to war,since republicans love to fight wars that we have no reason to be doing,and also why should we help them,do we help countries in africa?no we dont,we just need to stay the f*ck out of the middle east

Right. Like that time when Obama bombed Libya to pieces. Those damn Republicans! It's always them who drag us into wars and create instability!


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[BigBallinStalin]

Well said.

Now, the next question: should the US supply the rebels within Syria so that they may overthrow the dictator and... create a democracy in Syria?

[Phatscotty]

Well said.

Now, the next question: should the US supply the rebels within Syria so that they may overthrow the dictator and... create a democracy in Syria?

No, but we will....One way or another

[saxitoxin]

See ya' later, alligator.

MISRATA, Libya (AP) — One of the young Libyan rebels credited with capturing Moammar Gadhafi in a drainage ditch nearly a year ago died Tuesday of injuries after being kidnapped, beaten and slashed by Gaddafi's supporters.

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[BigBallinStalin]

The Free Syrian Army is constructing training camps within 15 miles of the Syrian border with Turkey.

May they train well!, to defeat the oppressive forces of the Assad Regime regime. His cruel dictatorship doesn't even deserve a capital letter, and the English language recoils with every spelling of "Assad."

I motion to ban the use of any capital letter for any word that describes assad's regime. Look! his name even got better: ass-ad.

[GreecePwns]

Assad will be as sad as an unexpectant dad when the Free Syrian Army hangs him like a chad.

[BigBallinStalin]

It's kind of scary though. Perhaps, the rebellion is a modern version of the US revolutionary war... Perhaps.

Anyway, the "Free Syrian Army" is a loosely knit alliance of various factions who have one thing in common: they hate Assad and his way of governance. But, the aftermath could get nastier. I want to think it may look like Libya, but given the few stories I've been reading by Libya, it seems that Libya's loose alliance of militias is generally better than the Qaddafi times. (Again, who knows where that'll end up).

We're experiencing from the way, way back seats, the births of several nation-states, which is not in all cases desirable...

What do y'all think about the Egypt/Syria/Libya experience?

[GreecePwns]

Islamic fundamentalists have exploited each and every one of these opportunities. Even the Egyptian democracy ended up being ruled by Islamists.

Only Tunisia has managed to get a non-radical Islamist government (the leading party calls itself "moderate Islamist," I assume that simply means social conservatism). No surprise that they were the originators of the Arab Spring protest and likely the only one not corrupted by outside/nonpopular forces.

I don't know enough about the FSA, though I wouldn't be surprised if it were more of the same US backed Islamic fundamentalsts or anti-American Islamic fundamentalists.

[saxitoxin]

But wait, what's this? A meeting of opposition parties in Damascus has called for the removal of President Assad.

http://rt.com/news/syria-opposition-con ... eting-788/

If Syria is an overbearing dictatorship, how on Earth could opposition parties hold a two-day conference in a nice hotel in the capital city to discuss relieving Assad from power? In the western narrative, cartoonish squads of secret police and troops should have descended on that place. (The "Free Syrian Army" terrorists boycotted the meeting, BTW.)

The western narrative (there is only evil dictator Assad and the armed FSA opposing him!) has holes.

[BigBallinStalin]

That's just Russian, Chinese, anti-US Middle Eastern propaganda.


Okay, serious time.

20 years from now, Chinese and Russian influence (and I guess Indian) has significantly increased on the geopolitical scale.

So, instead of hosting mere discussion forums, they may actually start intervening--in similar ways to US/NATO interventions, mass bombing campaigns, outright invasions (less likely), etc. We'll be living in a world where others than the US become more influential in smaller countries' sovereignty.

[BigBallinStalin]

Or how about this:


With the production of natural gas rapdily increasing, US imports on petroleum would decrease significantly, thus freeing up more petroleum for other countries. With a lesser demand for foreign oil, would other countries (China, India) engage in similar means to previous/ongoing US foreign policy in securing petroleum from Middle Eastern nations?

[Qwert]

When i look on Wikipedia pages
Syrian Civil War
i notice that US and Al-Qaida are on same side- support FSA,, are this some mistake,i though that US fight against Al-Qaida?

[BigBallinStalin]

well, the FSA of course are not Al-Qaeda because they say so.

[Phatscotty]

When i look on Wikipedia pages
Syrian Civil War
i notice that US and Al-Qaida are on same side- support FSA,, are this some mistake,i though that US fight against Al-Qaida?

3 words....

Barack Hussein Obama

[GreecePwns]

Romney soooo wouldn't do the same exact thing. Nope.

[Phatscotty]

Romney soooo wouldn't do the same exact thing. Nope.

...and just like that, Obama shakes responsibility for his blunders?

SHAZAM!

[saxitoxin]

Romney soooo wouldn't do the same exact thing. Nope.

...and just like that, Obama shakes responsibility for his blunders?

SHAZAM!

I think GP was noting that you only have the luxury of criticizing Obama's policy if you can confirm you're not supporting his policy executed through a different conduit.

[Phatscotty]

Romney soooo wouldn't do the same exact thing. Nope.

...and just like that, Obama shakes responsibility for his blunders?

SHAZAM!

I think GP was noting that you only have the luxury of criticizing Obama's policy if you can confirm you're not supporting his policy executed through a different conduit.

I think it was an ad hominem

[GreecePwns]

Yup. You were mentioned in that post. It was a personal attack on you. Sure.

Also, why the sudden inclusion of Hussein every time you mention his name and Arab conflicts lately? Is this an attempt to tie the President to Islamic fundamentalism? Well, you've already tied him to Marxism, so doing the same with Islamic fundamentalism would be contradictory.

As if you know what either of those terms mean. <--- that's not an ad hominem, since you've displayed on this forum in the past that you truly don't know the meaning of either term.

[Qwert]

so 1 year of Libya liberation, and democratization.
how things going in this country after US bring all good things, and when people are finally free, are become more prosperous and wealthy ? Or things become much more worst and country become totally poor and unsecured ?

[BigBallinStalin]

so 1 year of Libya liberation, and democratization.
how things going in this country after US bring all good things, and when people are finally free, are become more prosperous and wealthy ? Or things become much more worst and country become totally poor and unsecured ?

Actually, as far as monthly deaths are concerned, the situation in Libya seems more stable than Iraq and Afghanistan---which were being occupied by a huge military force.


This may be yet another example of the failures of central planning--even in the most basic function: security. For Afghanistan and Iraq, imposed order seems to largely be inducing the violence as oppose to mitigating it.

[Phatscotty]

Commander-in-Chief FAIL

This is where inexperience and naivety have cost us dearly