US Military Action in Libya?

[HapSmo19]

LOL! It appears the vaunted SAS were captured by some guy out milking his cows ...

"We fired into the air, and said 'Hands up, don't move'. They did as we said. It was not very difficult, we just asked them to move away from their bags to the side, and they did," said a Libyan farmer who captured the SAS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2011 ... libya.html

Nobody is actually buying that story are they?

Sounds like a hardware handoff to me.

[Pirlo]

now i read that quadafy army, again not manage to take back misurata town against unarmed civilians, They use tanks, mortars, airplane,and again can not take town(who have 500000 citizens). Its so funny,when they write that quadafy bombard and attack unarmed civilian, and yet,hes army can not defeat unarmed protesters. But these kind of propaganda have effect,and people start to belive. These scenarion are many time whas very sucess, to get support for attack or invasion to other countries.

true true

RT had an excellent report today about how the media - Al-Jazeera included - are broadcasting total lies about the unrest, including staging demonstrations for cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FGrrGTr ... r_embedded

Gadafi is no longer fighting for regaining control over cities.. he's now fighting to survive as long as possible after too many military leaders defected...

go search for the massacres he committed then talk... get a clue..... however, they still don't want any foreign asshole to stick his nose into their country business

- Andrea the Charmer

Don't worry about it. The Libyan government will crush them pretty efficiently provided the west doesn't intervene.

The so-called insurgency is a handful of Berber street gangs run by the US-based "Libyan Youth Movement" and their 70 year-old, CIA-backed leader Ibrahim Sahad (http://www.libyanfsl.com/tabid/70/mid/4 ... fault.aspx). If the west does intervene it means the insurgency is on the verge of defeat.

I don't know what is the point of that link in your post... but I know one thing... Libyan people prefer to be crushed rather than having USA or any foreigners messing up their country...

again, if you think that USA helps people and make them freedom, then you are completely ignorant... your government has been supporting the dictators for ages.. they only care about OIL...

remember, Saddam committed his crimes in 1980s, and got away with them because he was USA ally at that time... once he stopped listening to white house, your media turned him to crap (though I'm not denying he was crap, I'm just showing you the real reason of war against Iraq)...

- Andrea the Charmer

[saxitoxin]

I don't know what is the point of that link in your post... but I know one thing... Libyan people prefer to be crushed rather than having USA or any foreigners messing up their country...

If they get rid of Al-Ghattafi they are playing into American hands. The so-called insurgency is being orchestrated out of Washington, D.C. by their agent, Ibrahim Sahad, to increase accessibility of Libyan petroleum.

again, if you think that USA helps people and make them freedom

I think the vast canon of my posts is indicative to the contrary.

*tickle tickle*

*Saxi tickles Andrea*

[saxitoxin]

Rebellion Spreads to UK - A mob of hundreds of "pro-constitution" Britons have seized and detained a judge for punishing someone for tax refusal. Police have begun violently ejecting protesters from the court in chaotic scenes. Marchers say they are exercising their "ancient right to lawful Rebellion."

http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/88939 ... st/?ref=mr

Should Germany deploy troops in Britain to protect the insurgents?

[Pirlo]

I don't know what is the point of that link in your post... but I know one thing... Libyan people prefer to be crushed rather than having USA or any foreigners messing up their country...

If they get rid of Al-Ghattafi they are playing into American hands. The so-called insurgency is being orchestrated out of Washington, D.C. by their agent, Ibrahim Sahad, to increase accessibility of Libyan petroleum.

again, if you think that USA helps people and make them freedom

I think the vast canon of my posts is indicative to the contrary.

*tickle tickle*

*Saxi tickles Andrea*

but you are talking about twats (aka leaders) of the middle east countries as if they are not already following or playing into hands of uncle sam.

USA government has been always involved in all shits happened to people in middle east... in other words, USA supports leaders of oil countries to share that wealth with them..

- Andrea the Charmer

[Qwert]

""If they get rid of Al-Ghattafi they are playing into American hands""
Who its that?

[saxitoxin]

but you are talking about twats (aka leaders) of the middle east countries as if they are not already following or playing into hands of uncle sam.

USA government has been always involved in all shits happened to people in middle east... in other words, USA supports leaders of oil countries to share that wealth with them..

- Andrea the Charmer

Andy, if you weren't such a charmer you'd make me lose my hair!

I think Al-Ghataffi said it best in his 2008 speech to the Arab League. "Nothing is joining us together except this hall." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwHOWUPKuo)

If Libyans get rid of one of the few independent minded leaders in the Arab world it will be to their shame. I'm confident the Libyan people can stop this US-staged coup attempt.

[Phatscotty]

but you are talking about twats (aka leaders) of the middle east countries as if they are not already following or playing into hands of uncle sam.

USA government has been always involved in all shits happened to people in middle east... in other words, USA supports leaders of oil countries to share that wealth with them..

- Andrea the Charmer

Andy, if you weren't such a charmer you'd make me lose my hair!

I think Al-Ghataffi said it best in his 2008 speech to the Arab League. "Nothing is joining us together except this hall." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwHOWUPKuo)

If Libyans get rid of one of the few independent minded leaders in the Arab world it will be to their shame. I'm confident the Libyan people can stop this foreign-backed, staged rebellion.

[Pirlo]

but you are talking about twats (aka leaders) of the middle east countries as if they are not already following or playing into hands of uncle sam.

USA government has been always involved in all shits happened to people in middle east... in other words, USA supports leaders of oil countries to share that wealth with them..

- Andrea the Charmer

Andy, if you weren't such a charmer you'd make me lose my hair!

I think Al-Ghataffi said it best in his 2008 speech to the Arab League. "Nothing is joining us together except this hall." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwHOWUPKuo)

If Libyans get rid of one of the few independent minded leaders in the Arab world it will be to their shame. I'm confident the Libyan people can stop this US-staged coup attempt.

what!!! are you crazy????????????????

this man is insane.... he's been wasting the wealth of Libya making stupid projects in Europe... only 13% of Libya lands are explored... there are billions of oil reserves underground.. Libyan are only 5 millions... their education and life standard are crap.. they have finally woken up.... not to mention his retarded GREEN BOOK..... are you telling me that Libyans should just follow that crazy guy????

USA is surprised to see those people getting up, an trust me, if the spark of revolutions didn't start in Tunisia 2 months ago, nothing could happen in Egypt & Libya... it's spreading everywhere around now.... why would USA get rid of their amazing dog (Mubarakola)...

USA would like to help oppressing these revolutions, but it can't... it has a bad experience when uncle sam tried to do this in Iran and failed.. now the result is having Iran as the biggest haters (so you know why Iranians have the right to hate your government).... moreover, USA is getting weaker as things are getting out of control with China rising in the east.. now USA government is trying to pretend the supporter of middle east people in order to have good relations with new leaders who will award oil extraction contracts..

and now you gotta remember Mr. saxi, after few years, the American media machine will start pointing to Chinese as the terrorists

- Andrea the Charmer

[Phatscotty]

I think the USA is for staying quiet in countries that are anti-Israel, and speaking out against countries that are for peace with Israel.



Black Skies in Libya. All that environment you saved....sorry

[Pirlo]

I think the USA is for staying quiet in countries that are anti-Israel, and speaking out against countries that are for peace with Israel.



Black Skies in Libya. All that environment you saved....sorry

I didn't get your point...

[saxitoxin]

but you are talking about twats (aka leaders) of the middle east countries as if they are not already following or playing into hands of uncle sam.

USA government has been always involved in all shits happened to people in middle east... in other words, USA supports leaders of oil countries to share that wealth with them..

- Andrea the Charmer

Andy, if you weren't such a charmer you'd make me lose my hair!

I think Al-Ghataffi said it best in his 2008 speech to the Arab League. "Nothing is joining us together except this hall." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwHOWUPKuo)

If Libyans get rid of one of the few independent minded leaders in the Arab world it will be to their shame. I'm confident the Libyan people can stop this US-staged coup attempt.

what!!! are you crazy????????????????

this man is insane.... he's been wasting the wealth of Libya making stupid projects in Europe... only 13% of Libya lands are explored... there are billions of oil reserves underground.. Libyan are only 5 millions... their education and life standard are crap.. they have finally woken up.... not to mention his retarded GREEN BOOK..... are you telling me that Libyans should just follow that crazy guy????

USA is surprised to see those people getting up, an trust me, if the spark of revolutions didn't start in Tunisia 2 months ago, nothing could happen in Egypt & Libya... it's spreading everywhere around now.... why would USA get rid of their amazing dog (Mubarakola)...

USA would like to help oppressing these revolutions, but it can't... it has a bad experience when uncle sam tried to do this in Iran and failed.. now the result is having Iran as the biggest haters (so you know why Iranians have the right to hate your government).... moreover, USA is getting weaker as things are getting out of control with China rising in the east.. now USA government is trying to pretend the supporter of middle east people in order to have good relations with new leaders who will award oil extraction contracts..

and now you gotta remember Mr. saxi, after few years, the American media machine will start pointing to Chinese as the terrorists

- Andrea the Charmer

Well first of all, it's not my government. Secondly, the Green Book enunciates an enlightened and revolutionary avenue to real people's power free from the control of government and corporate elites. Thirdly, the US got rid of Mubarak because he was dying. If you have an old car and you start having chronic trouble with it, it's better to get a new one before you find yourself stranded on the side of the road. Now the US has a new puppet in Egypt:


The so-called Libyan "youth movement" is a project of the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, which is based in Washington DC and run by an ex-Libyan Army officer, Ibrahim Sahad. Sahad began receiving funding in the '70's from the CIA to set-up an anti-Qadaffi radio station in Sudan and the ties that bind him to them have grown ever stronger over the years. The US realizes taking over governments, a la Iraq and Afghanistan, is messy and prefers to do it in a way where they don't have to be directly involved and can present the illusion of popularity. In other words, it's better for the US if Andrea is (unknowingly) supporting a US takeover of Libya than if Andrea is (knowingly) opposing it.

In today's "Tampa Tribune":

In August, the Tampa-based command, which oversees U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and much of the Middle East, signed a $2.76 million contract with Ntrepid Corp. to provide software that will create as many as 500 "different online persons" with "background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent," according to details from the contract request posted online in June.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/feb/24 ... -breaking/

[patches70]

If Libyans get rid of one of the few independent minded leaders in the Arab world it will be to their shame. I'm confident the Libyan people can stop this US-staged coup attempt.

Maybe. Except after what Reagan did to him, he kind of lost the stomach to go around provoking the US. With his change of heart during Bush's terms in office, I think instead of viewing him as an "independent minded leader" is less accurate. More like a whipped dog finally broken?

Just saying is all, I am not so much arguing against you, just making a silly observation. The US should certainly let the Libyans sort out their little internal spat on their own. We don't need to go around mucking it all up.

[Phatscotty]

Looks like Obama is waiting for everyone else to tell him what to do

[patches70]

Looks like Obama is waiting for everyone else to tell him what to do

He has to wait for some sort of resolution, so that he can take credit for it or distance himself from it, depending on how it all plays out in the end. He is a leader after all.

[thegreekdog]

I think if we truly want to see whether America is pro-protestors in the Middle East, we'll find out with Saudi Arabia.

[Qwert]

well patern are quite clear now,when Greate President sarcozy say,that bombarding its need to bring down Guadafi- from begining when rebels wining in fight, they stay close and observe, but now when guadafy start wining,they imediatly ask for bombarding. Oil its one crazy drugs for some countries who are tirsty for big profit. And ofcourse they have cover for that- for all these are guilty guadafy. Well get ready for another Nato Humanitarian Bombarding, where target are not civilian, and any mistake are colateral damage,who will protect Nato Pilots for kiling civilian.

"What you hit?"
"Some people who moving in a road"
"Dont worry, its colateral damage, its hes fault for drive in these road who are our target"

These hepend many times in Yugoslav bombard, also hepend in Afganistan many times, and Nato word colateral damage, its great word to cover any aerial killing of civilian. Every time civilian foud guilty not pilots.

[Phatscotty]

I loved hearing how a no-fly zone is not a military strike. I also loved hearing how the USA, who makes up over 85% of Nato, "handed over power to Nato" and a Canadian General is in charge....2 levels underneath American Commanders.

A lot can happen in 30 days huh?

[patches70]

Are We Allied to a Corpse?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
04/19/2011



Of our Libyan intervention, one thing may be safely said, and another safely predicted.

When he launched his strikes on the Libyan army and regime, Barack Obama did not think it through. And this nation is now likely to be drawn even deeper into that war.

For Moammar Gadhafi's forces not only survived the U.S. air and missile strikes, after which we turned the air war over to NATO, his forces have since shown themselves superior to the rebels. Without NATO, the rebels would have been routed a month ago.



And, today, NATO itself stands a chance of being humiliated.

"NATO's Bomb Supply Is Running Short," ran Saturday's headline in The Washington Post over a story that began thus:

"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in maintaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time. ...

"The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts ... about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi hangs on to power."

Only six NATO nations have planes running strikes on the Libyan army, and the French and British, who are doing most of the bombing, are running out of laser-guided munitions. And their planes are not equipped to handle U.S. smart bombs.

NATO air attacks are thus becoming less precise and lethal, as Gadhafi is pounding Misrata, the last rebel-held city in the west, and his army is again contesting Ajdabiya, the gateway to Benghazi.

In short, the war is not going well. Where does this leave us?

If the United States does not get back on the field, the Libyan army will likely crush resistance in Misrata and push the rebels back to Benghazi and Tobruk.

As the rebels lack the soldiering experience or organization to conduct an offensive, and their NATO air arm is weakening, the best they can probably hope for in the near term is to hold on to what they have in the east. Which means a stalemate -- a no-win war.

Can Obama accept such an outcome to a war he started, at the outset of which he declared Gadhafi must go? Can he go into 2012 with Republicans mocking him for picking a fight with Gadhafi, then losing it for the United States? Can Obama leave Gadhafi in Tripoli knowing he is plotting terror attacks against America in reprisal?

If Gadhafi survives, does Obama survive?

Can he tell the beleaguered British and French we are not going to double down on our folly of having started this war?

In an op-ed last week in The New York Times, Obama, along with Nicolas Sarkozy and David Cameron, wrote:

"Our duty and our mandate is ... not to remove Gadhafi by force. But it is impossible to imagine a future for Libya with Gadhafi in power. ... It is unthinkable that someone who tried to massacre his own people can play a part in their future government."

But if it is "unthinkable" and "impossible" for Gadhafi to remain in power, who is going to remove him?

Absent celestial intervention, it is Uncle Sam, or no one.

If regime change is now the unstated NATO mission, who but the United States can ensure the mission is accomplished?

The Post story about Britain and France, the leading military powers of NATO Europe, depleting their smart-bomb supply in a one-month clash with an African nation of 6 million, and begging the Yanks to come back and win the war for them, raises a major question.

Is the most successful alliance in history, which kept the Red Army of Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev from smashing through the Fulda Gap and reaching the Channel, a hollow shell?

Is NATO, without America, a paper tiger?

On the eve of World War I, the German foreign minister, after visiting the aged Emperor Franz Josef in Austria, reported back to the Kaiser, "Sire, we are allied to a corpse."

Are we?

In the 1990s, we had to pull the British and French chestnuts out of the Bosnian fire. When Serbs fought for their cradle province of Kosovo, America had to break Belgrade with 78 days of bombing.

NATO Europe couldn't handle a fight in its own backyard.

Though we are still in Iraq, NATO is gone. There are NATO units in Afghanistan, but some have pulled out and others won't fight.

What benefit does America receive from membership in NATO to justify the cost of maintaining tens of thousands of troops, air and naval bases, ships and planes defending a rich and populous continent that chronically refuses to provide the arms and men to defend itself?

Why are Americans still defending Europe 66 years after World War II ended and a generation after the Soviet Union disappeared?

Isn't it time we kicked them out of the nest?

In before American grounds troops land.

You know, it is easy to start a war, keeping one going is another matter all together.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

[muy_thaiguy]

Yeah, I'd like to call out on the people who said Obama would "bring change!" Only difference is, is that now we are going to be fighting in fucking Libya because Europe can't do a damn thing on their own anymore.

[Qwert]

""refuses to provide the arms and men to defend itself? ""
Now its question where Britain and France need to defend itself, in libya??
Nato(US) togetehr with britain france and other pupet forces attack libya, i though that NATO(US) have rule that ,only in case that someone other attack some member of NATO,they going to defend. Ofcourse that only 6 of 20 something member of NATO(US) want toi show hes superiority over libya goverment. All other member dont understand why they need to bombard libya,and refuse to participiate in these sharade.

[saxitoxin]

Nato(US) togetehr with britain france and other pupet forces attack libya

It seems that even in the US' puppet countries like Britain the people are opposed to the colony-makers which proves there is no democracy in the west. A fact finding mission from the Socialist Labour Party has found -zero- evidence that Colonel Ghaddafi has attacked any civilians at all:

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=626486

This is like Serbia '99 when the US claimed the Yugoslav Army had killed 400,000 Kosovars, only later it turned out only 2,000-3,000 died and almost all were KLA terrorists.

[Qwert]

""Susan Rice, the US ambassador to the UN, has accused the Gaddafi regime of passing out tablets of Viagra to his front line troops to help them rape women.""

Its these a joke- i though they find some serious violation, and they "find" that Libyan army get viagra. Now if "kiling civilian,torture prisoner" not working,then these stuff with viagra,will definitly crack libyan army,to laid down weapons and surender. I mean ,who wrote these story for press? What next will be "Quadafy are one small green alien" "Goverment troops ride donkies,because hes all tanks are destroyed" They realy need to find some real WMD, so that people finaly belive in Western propaganda.

[Phatscotty]

""Susan Rice, the US ambassador to the UN, has accused the Gaddafi regime of passing out tablets of Viagra to his front line troops to help them rape women.""

Its these a joke- i though they find some serious violation, and they "find" that Libyan army get viagra. Now if "kiling civilian,torture prisoner" not working,then these stuff with viagra,will definitly crack libyan army,to laid down weapons and surender. I mean ,who wrote these story for press? What next will be "Quadafy are one small green alien" "Goverment troops ride donkies,because hes all tanks are destroyed" They realy need to find some real WMD, so that people finaly belive in Western propaganda.

The viagra trick is tried and true. It was used successfully on Uday and Qusay Huesien at their American eulogy.

More Obama games and secret wars. I wonder what happened to public opinion. It seemed, before the U.S. military acted in Libya, barely a soul supported Military action. What changed? oh, Obama did it.

That's what we call sound foreign policy. Recipe for disaster if you ask me.

[saxitoxin]

""Susan Rice, the US ambassador to the UN, has accused the Gaddafi regime of passing out tablets of Viagra to his front line troops to help them rape women.""

This is like when Saddam Hussein said Bart Simpson was home seducing American troops wives while they were in Kuwait. Most Americans, unfortunately, don't understand how absolutely asinine and totally silly Rice sounds when she pulls this stuff out of the air.