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Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 12:41 amby Mr_Adams
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/1 ... 74151.htmlIt's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
Instead of ranting myself, I will turn you over to a columnist who shares my feelings
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/05/11/ ... t-part-22/
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 1:02 amby spurgistan
You're angry that Rachel Maddow invited Meghan McCain to talk about gun control on her show in March of 2009? If you have a problem with the talking heads format, that's great, because it is mostly stupid, but having conservative guests on shows is good for conservatives. Especially charismatic and likable ones, like Meghan McCain. Which is odd, given that the liberal media has a preponderance of conservative guests.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 1:59 amby BigBallinStalin
spurgistan wrote:You're angry that Rachel Maddow invited Meghan McCain to talk about gun control on her show in March of 2009? If you have a problem with the talking heads format, that's great, because it is mostly stupid, but having conservative guests on shows is good for conservatives. Especially charismatic and likable ones, like Meghan McCain. Which is odd, given that the liberal media has a preponderance of conservative guests.
Biggest, Unsubstantiated Post of the Year 2011
Honestly, I would like to see if that's a fact.
And I wonder if the relevant data played loosely with the defintions of liberal and tightly with the definition of conservative, and vice-versa.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 5:45 amby Symmetry
Mr_Adams wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/meghan-mccain-rachel-madd_n_174151.html
It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
Instead of ranting myself, I will turn you over to a columnist who shares my feelings
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/05/11/ ... t-part-22/
But anyone who has read anything remotely close to an accurate history of America’s founding would know that the Second Amendment only has one purpose: to arm the people against a tyrannical government. What would happen if the United States military was loosed on the citizens of this nation and the only ones with assault rifles were the military? The Left likes to deride people who make these queries as crazy conspiratorial nut jobs, but this is not some fantasy that has never occurred. Governments are only benevolent until they aren’t. Then what? Lucky for us our founders thought of that and gave us the remedy. An armed populous is an unconquerable populous.
If the military is allowed far more powerful weapons than the average Joe, then the constitutional antibiotic for bad government is contaminated. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with duck season. It is this one thought that should be hammered into every argument with the Left.
Wow. Don't even know how to start on this mess of a post.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 9:04 amby BigBallinStalin
BigBallinStalin wrote:spurgistan wrote:You're angry that Rachel Maddow invited Meghan McCain to talk about gun control on her show in March of 2009? If you have a problem with the talking heads format, that's great, because it is mostly stupid, but having conservative guests on shows is good for conservatives. Especially charismatic and likable ones, like Meghan McCain. Which is odd, given that the liberal media has a preponderance of conservative guests.
Biggest, Unsubstantiated Post of the Year 2011
Honestly, I would like to see if that's a fact.
And I wonder if the relevant data played loosely with the defintions of liberal and tightly with the definition of conservative, and vice-versa.
spurgistan wrote:http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1667599
this popped up on google scholar:
Abstract:
Before every broadcast, the producers of Sunday morning talk shows must answer two basic questions: (1) what views will be represented on our show? and (2) who will present those views? When the topic involves policy and politics and the guest is a Member of Congress – as it often is – the answer to the first question has important implications for what millions of interested viewers learn about what matters in American policy and politics, and the answer to the second question is equally important for what those viewers learn about who matters in American politics.
This article examines how the talk shows answer the second question – the one about who matters. In short, the answer is that in 2009 the talk shows told us (by their selection of congressional guests) that the people who matter are disproportionately white, male, senior, and Republican – disproportionate not just when compared to the American population overall, but also when compared to the population of Congress itself.
Number of Pages in PDF File: 14
Ah, thanks, spurgistan! =P
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 9:08 amby BigBallinStalin
Symmetry wrote:Mr_Adams wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/meghan-mccain-rachel-madd_n_174151.html
It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
Instead of ranting myself, I will turn you over to a columnist who shares my feelings
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/05/11/ ... t-part-22/
But anyone who has read anything remotely close to an accurate history of America’s founding would know that the Second Amendment only has one purpose: to arm the people against a tyrannical government. What would happen if the United States military was loosed on the citizens of this nation and the only ones with assault rifles were the military? The Left likes to deride people who make these queries as crazy conspiratorial nut jobs, but this is not some fantasy that has never occurred. Governments are only benevolent until they aren’t. Then what? Lucky for us our founders thought of that and gave us the remedy. An armed populous is an unconquerable populous.
If the military is allowed far more powerful weapons than the average Joe, then the constitutional antibiotic for bad government is contaminated. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with duck season. It is this one thought that should be hammered into every argument with the Left.
Wow. Don't even know how to start on this mess of a post.
Well, apparently, the American citizens need to be equipped with TOW anti-tank missiles and access to IED-related materials, so that they can prepare for the upcoming war against the US government.
...
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 10:37 amby Mr_Adams
It's not that such a war is coming, but that such a war will not come because we have such rights as the second amendment.
"The beauty of the second amendment is that we will never need it until somebody attempts to take it away"
-Thomas Jefferson.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 10:43 amby BigBallinStalin
I'm adamantly against further gun control.
For a lot of people in poor neighborhoods, a handgun is much more reliable than expecting the cops to help you or expecting them to be able to reduce crime. My problem are the Concealed Weapons Permits costing about $250 per year. Those, who needs a handgun the most, can not really afford $250 per year for a piece of paper, so many "illegally" carry a gun. This illegal action is then exploited by cops for whatever purposes--good or bad.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 10:53 amby Mr_Adams
And for those of you who want to know where this came from, irritating IRL conversations occasionally follow me into the forums.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 12:01 pmby Woodruff
Mr_Adams wrote:It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
Personally, I am against most forms of gun control. However, I find it hysterical how many conservatives dislike Meghan McCain.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 1:25 pmby Night Strike
It's quite telling that Poll Taxes were ruled unconstitutional yet gun registration fees have not. Aren't both forcing people to pay money to exercise their Constitutional Rights? It's one of the major inconsistencies in today's laws. I'm (mostly) fine with having to register guns, but it should be free to the owner much like voter registration is free.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 1:48 pmby HapSmo19
Symmetry wrote:Mr_Adams wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/meghan-mccain-rachel-madd_n_174151.html
It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
Instead of ranting myself, I will turn you over to a columnist who shares my feelings
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/05/11/ ... t-part-22/
But anyone who has read anything remotely close to an accurate history of America’s founding would know that the Second Amendment only has one purpose: to arm the people against a tyrannical government. What would happen if the United States military was loosed on the citizens of this nation and the only ones with assault rifles were the military? The Left likes to deride people who make these queries as crazy conspiratorial nut jobs, but this is not some fantasy that has never occurred. Governments are only benevolent until they aren’t. Then what? Lucky for us our founders thought of that and gave us the remedy. An armed populous is an unconquerable populous.
If the military is allowed far more powerful weapons than the average Joe, then the constitutional antibiotic for bad government is contaminated. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with duck season. It is this one thought that should be hammered into every argument with the Left.
Wow. Don't even know how to start on this mess of a post.
I'm pretty sure nobody cares wether you start or not, Subject.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 2:33 pmby PLAYER57832
Mr_Adams wrote:It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
If you think that any of these talk shows are anything other than base entertainment, I am afraid you need to re-examine your views.
OF COURSE she presents the most obnoxious or controversial views. That is what make people tune in... and even TALK about them. Seems like it worked with you , didn't it
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 2:42 pmby thegreekdog
Mr_Adams wrote:And for those of you who want to know where this came from, irritating IRL conversations occasionally follow me into the forums.
Happens to me constantly. Most of my non-work friends are liberal.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 3:06 pmby Phatscotty
Mr_Adams wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/meghan-mccain-rachel-madd_n_174151.html
It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
Instead of ranting myself, I will turn you over to a columnist who shares my feelings
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/05/11/ ... t-part-22/
I used to have a crush on Megan Mccain, but since she booted me from her friends on FB, I have started to think she is fat. If you look close on her laptop screen, you can see she is visiting cakefarts.com
Megan is a new breed of Rino, making previous Rinos look like Allen West
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 3:08 pmby Phatscotty
Woodruff wrote:Mr_Adams wrote:It's amazing how the media pretends to be neutral, but passes this crap off as representing all sides. Meghan McCain? Is that the best conservative you can get?
Personally, I am against most forms of gun control. However, I find it hysterical how many conservatives dislike Meghan McCain.
There is nothing conservative about Megan Mccain. I find it completely unsurprising yet it feels good to know so many people can see through her ditzy bullshit
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 3:09 pmby Phatscotty
spurgistan wrote:You're angry that Rachel Maddow invited Meghan McCain to talk about gun control on her show in March of 2009? If you have a problem with the talking heads format, that's great, because it is mostly stupid, but having conservative guests on shows is good for conservatives. Especially charismatic and likable ones, like Meghan McCain. Which is odd, given that the liberal media has a preponderance of conservative guests.
LOL. I am starting to find it hilarious how many people think Megan Mccain is a Conservative. Perhaps you guys should look into Megans comments on the Tea Party....
She hates conservatives and already has her next 9 appearances on MSNBC booked into the year 2013
I especially liked how Rachel Maddow gave a sincere thanks to Megan.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 3:13 pmby Phatscotty
BigBallinStalin wrote:I'm adamantly against further gun control.
For a lot of people in poor neighborhoods, a handgun is much more reliable than expecting the cops to help you or expecting them to be able to reduce crime. My problem are the Concealed Weapons Permits costing about $250 per year. Those, who needs a handgun the most, can not really afford $250 per year for a piece of paper, so many "illegally" carry a gun. This illegal action is then exploited by cops for whatever purposes--good or bad.
as they say, you can't carry a cop around with you.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Thu May 12, 2011 5:27 pmby Woodruff
Phatscotty wrote:LOL. I am starting to find it hilarious how many people think Megan Mccain is a Conservative. Perhaps you guys should look into Megans comments on the Tea Party....
Does she think that the Tea Party is just another name for corporate cronyism? Because if that's all that's bothering you, that doesn't make her any less of a conservative...it just makes her aware.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Fri May 13, 2011 3:26 pmby spurgistan
BigBallinStalin wrote:spurgistan wrote:You're angry that Rachel Maddow invited Meghan McCain to talk about gun control on her show in March of 2009? If you have a problem with the talking heads format, that's great, because it is mostly stupid, but having conservative guests on shows is good for conservatives. Especially charismatic and likable ones, like Meghan McCain. Which is odd, given that the liberal media has a preponderance of conservative guests.
Biggest, Unsubstantiated Post of the Year 2011
Honestly, I would like to see if that's a fact.
And I wonder if the relevant data played loosely with the defintions of liberal and tightly with the definition of conservative, and vice-versa.
So, still a contender for BUPotY 2011?
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Fri May 13, 2011 3:32 pmby thegreekdog
Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:LOL. I am starting to find it hilarious how many people think Megan Mccain is a Conservative. Perhaps you guys should look into Megans comments on the Tea Party....
Does she think that the Tea Party is just another name for corporate cronyism? Because if that's all that's bothering you, that doesn't make her any less of a conservative...it just makes her aware.
Um... despite popular belief the Tea Party is not just another name for corporate cronyism. So long as most Tea Party members refuse to endorse people like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump and Newt Gingrich (they haven't in case you are wondering), and continues to endorse Rand Paul, Ron Paul and their ilk, the Tea Party will not be synonymous with corporate croynism.
pimpdave wrote:That's right TGD, it's another name for Death Squad!
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Fri May 13, 2011 3:56 pmby Phatscotty
Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:LOL. I am starting to find it hilarious how many people think Megan Mccain is a Conservative. Perhaps you guys should look into Megans comments on the Tea Party....
Does she think that the Tea Party is just another name for corporate cronyism? Because if that's all that's bothering you, that doesn't make her any less of a conservative...it just makes her aware.
sure she is a global warming, politics as usual, Ron Paul ripping conservative.
the only kind of conservative to be
did you ever watch this videos? Megan mccain repeatedly bashes conservatives and requests that they compromise their values in the name of electability.
To quote Megan Mccain "Im 24, fresh out of college, and I keep reading stuff but it doesn't make any sense."
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Fri May 13, 2011 4:11 pmby Mr_Adams
Phatscotty wrote:To quote Megan Mccain "Im 24, fresh out of college, and I keep reading stuff but it doesn't make any sense."
That's just because the schools suck.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Fri May 13, 2011 5:05 pmby Woodruff
thegreekdog wrote:Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:LOL. I am starting to find it hilarious how many people think Megan Mccain is a Conservative. Perhaps you guys should look into Megans comments on the Tea Party....
Does she think that the Tea Party is just another name for corporate cronyism? Because if that's all that's bothering you, that doesn't make her any less of a conservative...it just makes her aware.
Um... despite popular belief the Tea Party is not just another name for corporate cronyism. So long as most Tea Party members refuse to endorse people like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump and Newt Gingrich (they haven't in case you are wondering), and continues to endorse Rand Paul, Ron Paul and their ilk, the Tea Party will not be synonymous with corporate croynism.
That ship has sailed. What one needs to look at is those who have ALREADY been voted into office and loudly proclaimed so by the Tea Party.
Re: Gun control and the misrepresentation of conservatism
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Fri May 13, 2011 5:06 pmby Woodruff
Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:LOL. I am starting to find it hilarious how many people think Megan Mccain is a Conservative. Perhaps you guys should look into Megans comments on the Tea Party....
Does she think that the Tea Party is just another name for corporate cronyism? Because if that's all that's bothering you, that doesn't make her any less of a conservative...it just makes her aware.
sure she is a global warming, politics as usual, Ron Paul ripping conservative.
the only kind of conservative to be
did you ever watch this videos? Megan mccain repeatedly bashes conservatives and requests that they compromise their values in the name of electability.
So, as I said, she's aware. The only thing she's missed in that paraphrasing by you is that she should be including the liberals as well.
Phatscotty wrote:To quote Megan Mccain "Im 24, fresh out of college, and I keep reading stuff but it doesn't make any sense."
Your willingness to cherrypick into contextual oblivion is disgusting.