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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:47 pm

endgame in the Malvinas dispute

President Kirchener has summoned the leaders of all political parties to the Casa Rosada tomorrow for an "important announcement."

A senior European diplomat in Buenos Aires said Europe's economic crisis had emboldened Argentina, which was riding high on nine years of strong economic growth. "South America doesn't have the respect it used to have for Europe, it feels it is on top now and is flexing its new muscles."

A summit of leftwing leaders in Venezuela last weekend backed Fernández's campaign as a pan-regional cause. Her Venezuelan counterpart, Hugo Chávez, said Caracas would support its ally in a military conflict. "Thirty years ago Argentina was left on its own, but things have changed. The old dismantled empire should not believe that Argentina is alone because South America is here, Latin America is here." Ecuador's Rafael Correa called for sanctions against Britain.

Argentina's foreign minister, Hector Timerman, welcomed the solidarity. "Argentina is not alone, Great Britain is alone."

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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby the carpet man on Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:52 pm

from a netural eye this all sounds like south america ganging up to bully the UK

it really is the law of the jungle in these countries. and look what happened in arabia last year. it makes me scared for the future of this planet.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:58 pm

the carpet man wrote:from a netural eye this all sounds like south america ganging up to bully the UK


Hardly. The UK has Greece, Spain, Italy, France, Germany and the Czech Republic backing it up. The Czechs have a powerful new navy. They just don't have a way to get it to the ocean.

Yet.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby the carpet man on Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:05 pm

your sarcasm is touching and definitely serves to counter my point effectively.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby GreecePwns on Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:04 pm

I really have to LOL at anyone complaining about people bullying on the UK. It's really hilarious.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby aad0906 on Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:03 pm

[quote="saxitoxin"]endgame in the Malvinas dispute [\quote]

Endgame, her announcing that she will try to get he UN to order the UK to "negotiate" with Argentina? Any such proposal would be vertoed and she knows it. But it sure is nice for her to have the entire nation rally behind her. Either way, Argentina will not go to war again, I'm pretty sure about that.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:46 pm

At the Casa Rosada last night, the President denounced British aggressive military sabre-rattling against the peace-loving people of Argentina, called for Cameron to "give a chance to peace for once" and reaffirmed Argentina's commitment to diplomatic negotiation on a timetable for evacuation of the squatters - even in the face of UK attempts to propel the region to war.



All OAS nations except Belize and Guyana applauded the mature, tempered and restrained moves of Argentina that have won it international praise. The Argentine Foreign Minister explained that Britain's warmongering was a move by Cameron to shore-up domestic political support at home by distracting Britons from high unemployment and a secessionist Scotland.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:04 pm

The noose around the neck of the colonial power is tightening as Argentina prepared to cut the only air link with the Malvinas. LAN Chile, operator of the route, is awaiting permission from the Argentine government to open a Buenos Aires-Miami route and it is anticipated cutting the Malvinas flight will be made a condition of granting the link.

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/02/uk- ... ext-target

With all South American nations already blockading Malvinas-flagged vessels, the islands will be left completely isolated from the outside world, except for Prince Williams' helicopter which only seats six (five if he's flying with his toupée).
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby aad0906 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:06 pm

[quote="saxitoxin"]At the Casa Rosada last night, the President denounced British aggressive military sabre-rattling against the peace-loving people of Argentina, called for Cameron to "give a chance to peace for once" and reaffirmed Argentina's commitment to diplomatic negotiation on a timetable for evacuation of the squatters - even in the face of UK attempts to propel the region to war.
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Oh the irony lol. Let's see, Argentina blocks access to its ports for Falkland fishing ships and threathens to cut the air service to the Falklands as well. Basically isolating the islands and then THEY accuse Britain of being aggressive? Ha ha ha way to spin it.

Britain would be happy to negotiate with Argentina if the islanders wish to be Argentinian. For some reason they don't so there is nothing to negotiate about.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:57 pm

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Britain would be happy to negotiate with Argentina if the islanders wish to be Argentinian.


Good-faith negotiations by mature nations are advanced without pre-conditions. The hee-haw of 2,000 squatters cannot be an excuse to eschew diplomacy and the desire for peace of a nation of 40 million and a continent of 400 million.

Britain will save face by stopping their warmongering and agreeing to negotiate a timetable for evacuation. Otherwise the islands will simply have to be taken from them. They know they don't have the military capability anymore to prevent a Pan-American naval quarantine of the Malvinas if the nations of South America finally become tired of the delaying tactics. Britain is just prolonging the inevitable and propelling the hemisphere toward a war it will certainly lose.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:32 pm

Canada has reaffirmed it will not take sides in the Malvinas dispute, however, continues not to recognize British sovereignty - only "de facto control" - and stands by its vote in favor of the unanimous OAS resolution calling for Britain to negotiate the future of the islands with Argentina.

As a reward, Canada has been given a highly sought import-export deal by the People's Republic of China, which strongly supports Argentina's claim to the Malvinas.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao presided over a signing ceremony Wednesday for a wide-ranging set of agreements set to further bind the Chinese and Canadian economies.

Canada and China had been negotiating the agreement since 1994, and by January 2010, a dozen rounds of talks had failed to produce a deal.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... ml?cmp=rss
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby Baron Von PWN on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:54 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Canada has reaffirmed it will not take sides in the Malvinas dispute, however, continues not to recognize British sovereignty - only "de facto control" - and stands by its vote in favor of the unanimous OAS resolution calling for Britain to negotiate the future of the islands with Argentina.

As a reward, Canada has been given a highly sought import-export deal by the People's Republic of China, which strongly supports Argentina's claim to the Malvinas.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao presided over a signing ceremony Wednesday for a wide-ranging set of agreements set to further bind the Chinese and Canadian economies.

Canada and China had been negotiating the agreement since 1994, and by January 2010, a dozen rounds of talks had failed to produce a deal.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... ml?cmp=rss

Harper's been a busy little beaver with the trade agreements. Just about the only thing I like about his government,
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby eeww on Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:56 pm

Britain is complaining about imperialism and colonialism??

perhaps those jolly good pip bucktooth brits should take a look at their own history of bullying
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby Baron Von PWN on Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:43 am

saxitoxin wrote:
aad0906 wrote:\
Britain would be happy to negotiate with Argentina if the islanders wish to be Argentinian.


Good-faith negotiations by mature nations are advanced without pre-conditions. The hee-haw of 2,000 squatters cannot be an excuse to eschew diplomacy and the desire for peace of a nation of 40 million and a continent of 400 million.

Britain will save face by stopping their warmongering and agreeing to negotiate a timetable for evacuation. Otherwise the islands will simply have to be taken from them. They know they don't have the military capability anymore to prevent a Pan-American naval quarantine of the Malvinas if the nations of South America finally become tired of the delaying tactics. Britain is just prolonging the inevitable and propelling the hemisphere toward a war it will certainly lose.

exactly ! The entire population of Germany wanting Danzig totaly means Germany should have been allowed to just take it... Wait what are we talking about?
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:45 am

Baron Von PWN and InkL0sed have just been disqualified from my my Valentine's Day contest.
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Postby Baron Von PWN on Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:52 am

saxitoxin wrote:Baron Von PWN and InkL0sed have just been disqualified from my my Valentine's Day contest.


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Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:02 am

How about China just lays claim to Hawaii. Are we all OK with that?
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby Qwert on Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:19 am

its so funny when someone say that Argentina are Imerialistic countrie.
British have very long imperialistic bloddy history. Even today they hold many issland and dont want to bring back.
Just look on Chagos Archipelag, UK just kick Chagosian in 1970,expel everybody,and only because they are stronger military,and announce that these is Core of UK for centuries,and that in these archipelagos first british are born,and these archipelago need to belonge to UK.

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Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:44 am

You are scraping the barrel now qwert. Chagos ffs, back in the 60s/70s. Is that the best you can come up with for UK imperialism? As far as I know these islands are/were required for UK/US military interests. What matters is a country's stance today. I don't see Britain picking a spot on the globe and saying "Hey, let's go and claim it". Those days are resigned to history. Argentina on the other hand are doing just that, against the wishes of the Falkland islanders.
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Postby comic boy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:16 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:How about China just lays claim to Hawaii. Are we all OK with that?

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Its only ok if they have the backing of Mongolia , Tibet , Laos and Myanmar.
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Postby comic boy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:22 am

qwert wrote:its so funny when someone say that Argentina are Imerialistic countrie.
British have very long imperialistic bloddy history. Even today they hold many issland and dont want to bring back.
Just look on Chagos Archipelag, UK just kick Chagosian in 1970,expel everybody,and only because they are stronger military,and announce that these is Core of UK for centuries,and that in these archipelagos first british are born,and these archipelago need to belonge to UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulati ... ego_Garcia


Why dont we discuss rather more contemporary Imperialism , how about the concept of ' Greater Serbia ' and the resulting genocide throughout the Balkans.
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Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:08 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:How about China just lays claim to Hawaii. Are we all OK with that?


I imagine if a 35-member regional organization to which every nation in the Asia-Pacific region belonged unanimously endorsed such a move the U.S. - if it wanted to act maturely - would at least be expected to open a path for peaceful dialog on the question.

The hee-haw of the Britishers about the "political rights" of the squatters is silly since they refuse them the right to vote in UK parliamentary elections. It's a red herring. If there wasn't oil involved, they'd abandon them tomorrow.
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Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:42 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:How about China just lays claim to Hawaii. Are we all OK with that?


SEEMS LEGIT.


Didn't Argentina have a "legitimate" enough claim on the Falklands before the 1980s or 1990s(whenever that Almost-World War Between The Two Superpowers Relative to the Falklands occurred)?
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Postby Baron Von PWN on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:46 am

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I imagine if a 35-member regional organization to which every nation in the Asia-Pacific region belonged unanimously endorsed such a move the U.S. - if it wanted to act maturely - would at least be expected to open a path for peaceful dialog on the question.

The hee-haw of the Britishers about the "political rights" of the squatters is silly since they refuse them the right to vote in UK parliamentary elections. It's a red herring. If there wasn't oil involved, they'd abandon them tomorrow.


I absolutely agree. When the 14 member states of the Eurasian regional organisation wanted Finland to become a member, they should have just grown up and took it!

oh wait I'm getting confused again.
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Postby comic boy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:06 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:How about China just lays claim to Hawaii. Are we all OK with that?


I imagine if a 35-member regional organization to which every nation in the Asia-Pacific region belonged unanimously endorsed such a move the U.S. - if it wanted to act maturely - would at least be expected to open a path for peaceful dialog on the question.

The hee-haw of the Britishers about the "political rights" of the squatters is silly since they refuse them the right to vote in UK parliamentary elections. It's a red herring. If there wasn't oil involved, they'd abandon them tomorrow.


Yes poor show by the Brits , the Chinese have it covered though , the good people of Hawaii will get to vote for the candidate chosen for them.
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