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saxitoxin wrote:Also remember, Colvin was killed in an artillery barrage that had been called by the Syrian Army after triangulating sat phone signals.
She entered Syria illegally without crossing Syrian customs or immigration, which is a crime punishable by long prison sentences in Europe and North America. She was in a building in Homs when she started making phone calls on a satellite phone. Satellite phones are extremely expensive and their use is almost unheard of among civilians in any country with developed communications infrastructure. They are a staple among military, paramilitary and terrorist forces and the Syrian army has been - logically - using sat-phone signals to direct artillery strikes against the heavily armed insurgency.
She was not targeted by the Syrian Army and the Syrian Army didn't even know they were shelling a building containing journalists when she was killed.
Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Also remember, Colvin was killed in an artillery barrage that had been called by the Syrian Army after triangulating sat phone signals.
She entered Syria illegally without crossing Syrian customs or immigration, which is a crime punishable by long prison sentences in Europe and North America. She was in a building in Homs when she started making phone calls on a satellite phone. Satellite phones are extremely expensive and their use is almost unheard of among civilians in any country with developed communications infrastructure. They are a staple among military, paramilitary and terrorist forces and the Syrian army has been - logically - using sat-phone signals to direct artillery strikes against the heavily armed insurgency.
She was not targeted by the Syrian Army and the Syrian Army didn't even know they were shelling a building containing journalists when she was killed.
Your faith in the Assad regime is remarkable. Maybe take a time out from trolling on this one though, eh?
Symmetry wrote:Really not going to go into this one with you
saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:Really not going to go into this one with you
I don't really expect you to go into it; there's no way you can deny that I said anything that hasn't been documented as factual. You had a choice between agreement or silence and I anticipated you'd choose the latter. So, no big shocker.
saxitoxin wrote:In a rare moment of independence, ABC's Jake Tapper grills an Obama regime flunkie over the hilarious hypocrisy of the regime sobbing and lionizing "war reporters" while acting like a tin-pot dictatorship when it comes to reporting on the regime:
I'll bet Tapper will be out of work, writing real estate listings at the El Paso Times by next week.
saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:In a rare moment of independence, ABC's Jake Tapper grills an Obama regime flunkie over the hilarious hypocrisy of the regime sobbing and lionizing "war reporters" while acting like a tin-pot dictatorship when it comes to reporting on the regime:
I'll bet Tapper will be out of work, writing real estate listings at the El Paso Times by next week.
BTW, look at the woman from NPR (National Petroleum Radio) rolling her eyes and making faces when Tapper is asking his question. You can just hear her thinking "HOW DARE HE! How dare he criticize the regime for jailing whistleblowers under the Espionage Act! He is criticizing THE REGIME! I hope our brave SS agents shoot him for treason and disloyalty."
Looked to me like she was saying "What? What are you talking about? When has that ever happened?"Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:In a rare moment of independence, ABC's Jake Tapper grills an Obama regime flunkie over the hilarious hypocrisy of the regime sobbing and lionizing "war reporters" while acting like a tin-pot dictatorship when it comes to reporting on the regime:
I'll bet Tapper will be out of work, writing real estate listings at the El Paso Times by next week.
BTW, look at the woman from NPR (National Petroleum Radio) rolling her eyes and making faces when Tapper is asking his question. You can just hear her thinking "HOW DARE HE! How dare he criticize the regime for jailing whistleblowers under the Espionage Act! He is criticizing THE REGIME! I hope our brave SS agents shoot him for treason and disloyalty."
Quoting yourself as a source? Give the lady a bit of respect and go easy on the narcissism. Maybe? Just once? Out of a vestige of respect?
everywhere116 wrote:Looked to me like she was saying "What? What are you talking about? When has that ever happened?"Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:In a rare moment of independence, ABC's Jake Tapper grills an Obama regime flunkie over the hilarious hypocrisy of the regime sobbing and lionizing "war reporters" while acting like a tin-pot dictatorship when it comes to reporting on the regime:
I'll bet Tapper will be out of work, writing real estate listings at the El Paso Times by next week.
BTW, look at the woman from NPR (National Petroleum Radio) rolling her eyes and making faces when Tapper is asking his question. You can just hear her thinking "HOW DARE HE! How dare he criticize the regime for jailing whistleblowers under the Espionage Act! He is criticizing THE REGIME! I hope our brave SS agents shoot him for treason and disloyalty."
Quoting yourself as a source? Give the lady a bit of respect and go easy on the narcissism. Maybe? Just once? Out of a vestige of respect?
Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:In a rare moment of independence, ABC's Jake Tapper grills an Obama regime flunkie over the hilarious hypocrisy of the regime sobbing and lionizing "war reporters" while acting like a tin-pot dictatorship when it comes to reporting on the regime:
I'll bet Tapper will be out of work, writing real estate listings at the El Paso Times by next week.
BTW, look at the woman from NPR (National Petroleum Radio) rolling her eyes and making faces when Tapper is asking his question. You can just hear her thinking "HOW DARE HE! How dare he criticize the regime for jailing whistleblowers under the Espionage Act! He is criticizing THE REGIME! I hope our brave SS agents shoot him for treason and disloyalty."
Quoting yourself as a source? Give the lady a bit of respect and go easy on the narcissism. Maybe? Just once? Out of a vestige of respect?
saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Also remember, Colvin was killed in an artillery barrage that had been called by the Syrian Army after triangulating sat phone signals.
She entered Syria illegally without crossing Syrian customs or immigration, which is a crime punishable by long prison sentences in Europe and North America. She was in a building in Homs when she started making phone calls on a satellite phone. Satellite phones are extremely expensive and their use is almost unheard of among civilians in any country with developed communications infrastructure. They are a staple among military, paramilitary and terrorist forces and the Syrian army has been - logically - using sat-phone signals to direct artillery strikes against the heavily armed insurgency.
She was not targeted by the Syrian Army and the Syrian Army didn't even know they were shelling a building containing journalists when she was killed.
Your faith in the Assad regime is remarkable. Maybe take a time out from trolling on this one though, eh?
Is there anything I said that is factually inaccurate?
BigBallinStalin wrote:I guess I'll remember not to carry my satellite phone next time I'm reporting from the front lines of a civil war.
heavycola wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Also remember, Colvin was killed in an artillery barrage that had been called by the Syrian Army after triangulating sat phone signals.
She entered Syria illegally without crossing Syrian customs or immigration, which is a crime punishable by long prison sentences in Europe and North America. She was in a building in Homs when she started making phone calls on a satellite phone. Satellite phones are extremely expensive and their use is almost unheard of among civilians in any country with developed communications infrastructure. They are a staple among military, paramilitary and terrorist forces and the Syrian army has been - logically - using sat-phone signals to direct artillery strikes against the heavily armed insurgency.
She was not targeted by the Syrian Army and the Syrian Army didn't even know they were shelling a building containing journalists when she was killed.
Your faith in the Assad regime is remarkable. Maybe take a time out from trolling on this one though, eh?
Is there anything I said that is factually inaccurate?
'She was not targeted by the Syrian Army and the Syrian Army didn't even know they were shelling a building containing journalists when she was killed.'
That is speculative, not factual. There have been reports to the contrary: a french journalist who was with Colvin in Homs told the UK Daily Telegraph that they had been warned journalists in the city were being targeted. Satellite phones are expensive, but they are also a staple for correspondents filing copy from warzones. Of course, she could have been killed by a wayward shell, or maybe the Syrian Army thought they we
re targeting insurgents. The only people who know for sure are the SA commanders on the ground, presumably. Which is why we should be grateful that reporters like her are doing what they have to in order to report from the inside.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Symmetry wrote:I really don't know if any of you followed any of her reports over the years, but Marie Colvin was killed in Syria a few days ago.
NYTimes
Worth a look if you get the chance.
saxitoxin wrote:heavycola wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Also remember, Colvin was killed in an artillery barrage that had been called by the Syrian Army after triangulating sat phone signals.
She entered Syria illegally without crossing Syrian customs or immigration, which is a crime punishable by long prison sentences in Europe and North America. She was in a building in Homs when she started making phone calls on a satellite phone. Satellite phones are extremely expensive and their use is almost unheard of among civilians in any country with developed communications infrastructure. They are a staple among military, paramilitary and terrorist forces and the Syrian army has been - logically - using sat-phone signals to direct artillery strikes against the heavily armed insurgency.
She was not targeted by the Syrian Army and the Syrian Army didn't even know they were shelling a building containing journalists when she was killed.
Your faith in the Assad regime is remarkable. Maybe take a time out from trolling on this one though, eh?
Is there anything I said that is factually inaccurate?
'She was not targeted by the Syrian Army and the Syrian Army didn't even know they were shelling a building containing journalists when she was killed.'
That is speculative, not factual. There have been reports to the contrary: a french journalist who was with Colvin in Homs told the UK Daily Telegraph that they had been warned journalists in the city were being targeted. Satellite phones are expensive, but they are also a staple for correspondents filing copy from warzones. Of course, she could have been killed by a wayward shell, or maybe the Syrian Army thought they we
re targeting insurgents. The only people who know for sure are the SA commanders on the ground, presumably. Which is why we should be grateful that reporters like her are doing what they have to in order to report from the inside.
She snuck into Syria without clearing customs or immigration. Therefore, the burden of proof is the west's to show the Syrian Army even knew she was in country. Had she announced her presence, filed an arrival slip, etc., as western nations themselves demand from journalists entering their countries, it would be a different story.
I appreciate she took what she felt was a necessary risk but it's unnecessary to turn her death into a Tom Clancy adventure novel. No one has disputed that she was killed by a howitzer shell fired from kilometers away by troops who never saw her face, didn't know her name,or her profession, but were simply triangulating on the same type of signal being used by the suicide bombers who are massacring women and children in their country by the graveful (see: Aleppo).
When western armies do this they have a get out of jail free card - they just wave their hands in the air, yell "collateral damage!", convene a board of inquiry and then cruxify some underpaid corporal or private. Then the matter is forgotten. Syria doesn't have any of those cards, sad for them.
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