Democrats__ Losing their way?

[ViperOverLord]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

[BigBallinStalin]

One thing happened to this one guy. THE END IS NEAR!

[ViperOverLord]

Lost.

[thegreekdog]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

Dennis Kucinich is the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Given that Congress and the president have been less than progressive and more big government Republican, I'd say the answer is yes (but only with that "given" I just mentioned).

I love Kucinich. LOVE HIM!

[Neoteny]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

Dennis Kucinich is the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Given that Congress and the president have been less than progressive and more big government Republican, I'd say the answer is yes (but only with that "given" I just mentioned).

I love Kucinich. LOVE HIM!

Me too.

[thegreekdog]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

Dennis Kucinich is the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Given that Congress and the president have been less than progressive and more big government Republican, I'd say the answer is yes (but only with that "given" I just mentioned).

I love Kucinich. LOVE HIM!

Me too.

I think there is a youtube video somewhere of Kucinich and Ron Paul talking to a reporter (or it might be Ralph Nader and Ron Paul) about the ridiculousness of elections.

[Neoteny]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

Dennis Kucinich is the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Given that Congress and the president have been less than progressive and more big government Republican, I'd say the answer is yes (but only with that "given" I just mentioned).

I love Kucinich. LOVE HIM!

Me too.

I think there is a youtube video somewhere of Kucinich and Ron Paul talking to a reporter (or it might be Ralph Nader and Ron Paul) about the ridiculousness of elections.

I've not seen that. I like Ron Paul's style and would probably vote for him if I weren't terrified that he'd actually do the things he says he would.

[oVo]

How can Ron Paul getting things done scare you?

Yesterday's exit polls expressed a strong dissatisfaction with the Government,
much greater than the President or either party singularly.

[jimboston]

I think we could safely say that the Republican Party has lost its way too.

[thegreekdog]

I think we could safely say that the Republican Party has lost its way too.

Yes we could (and I do regularly).

[Bones2484]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

You do realize that the only reason he lost his primary is because his district was merged with that of another district due to Ohio losing two seats? And the seat holder of that other district happens to be the longest tenured woman in the House who has twice the amount of terms as Kucinich? It's not as though someone new came in and beat him.

I fail to see your argument here. I'm pretty sure that had Kucinich won there would have instead been a thread made about the Democrats losing their way and replacing one of the longest tenured members of Congress.

[ViperOverLord]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

You do realize that the only reason he lost his primary is because his district was merged with that of another district due to Ohio losing two seats? And the seat holder of that other district happens to be the longest tenured woman in the House who has twice the amount of terms as Kucinich? It's not as though someone new came in and beat him.

I fail to see your argument here. I'm pretty sure that had Kucinich won there would have instead been a thread made about the Democrats losing their way and replacing one of the longest tenured members of Congress.

Kucinich was the high profile unwavering democrat. You can look for excuses, but that result says something.

[thegreekdog]

Per oVo's point, here are the Super Tuesday Results

Georgia
- Gingrich - 47.2%
- Romney - 25.9%
- Santorum - 19.6%
- Paul - 6.5%

Ohio
- Romney - 38.0%
- Santorum - 37.0%
- Gingrich - 14.6%
- Paul - 9.3%

Tennessee
- Santorum - 37.3%
- Romney - 28.0%
- Gingrich - 24.0%
- Paul - 9.0%

Virginia
- Romney - 59.5%
- Paul - 40.5%

Oklahoma
- Santorum - 33.8%
- Romney - 28.0%
- Gingrich - 27.5%
- Paul - 9.6%

Massachusetts
- Romney - 72.2%
- Santorum - 12.0%
- Paul - 9.5%
- Gingrich - 4.6%

Idaho
- Romney - 61.6%
- Santorum - 18.2%
- Paul - 18.1%
- Gingrich - 2.1%

North Dakota
- Santorum - 39.7%
- Paul - 28.1%
- Romney - 23.7%
- Gingrich - 8.5%

Alaska
- Romney - 32.6%
- Santorum - 29.0%
- Paul - 24.0%
- Gingrich - 14.2%

Vermont
- Romney - 39.8%
- Paul - 25.5%
- Santorum - 23.6%
- Gingrich - 8.1%

I think this shows that there is no clear winner yet (at least to me). And I think that, in turn, shows dissatisfaction. I also think when Ron Paul, who in 2008 was a fringe candidate, is getting close to 10% of the vote in each of these states there is dissatisfaction (at least from 10% of the Republican-registered voters).

[rockfist]

I'm voting for Ron Paul in the Primary - and no I do not think he will win the nomination, and yes I will support whoever does in the general election.

[Bones2484]

Kucinich was the high profile unwavering democrat. You can look for excuses, but that result says something.

Why? Because he ran for President a few years ago and was soundly defeated in the Democratic primaries? Just because he is the name you recognize? That doesn't mean a thing. Clearly the Ohio voters don't hold him in as much esteem as you seem to.

[thegreekdog]

Kucinich was the high profile unwavering democrat. You can look for excuses, but that result says something.

Why? Because he ran for President a few years ago and was soundly defeated in the Democratic primaries? Just because he is the name you recognize? That doesn't mean a thing. Clearly the Ohio voters don't hold him in as much esteem as you seem to.

In a world where candidates for president are actually diametrically opposed, the 2008 general presidential election should have been Dennis Kucinich vs. Ron Paul.

Instead, we get a world where the 2008 presidential candidates were Kang and Kodos and their views were not diametrically opposed except when things were manufactured. "I want to bail out companies." "So do I." "I want to expand the role of the military." "So do I." "I want to invade Iran someday." "Me too... also Syria."

Have I mentioned I detest the U.S. political system?

[oVo]

The other statistic nobody has mentioned about yesterday's Republican Primaries is that voter turn out numbers are down. It represents disappointment in the candidates and the lethargic actions of government more than apathy about the elections.

Have I mentioned I detest the U.S. political system?

Me too. I won't feel like anything is being done to re-establish the credibility of the system without election reforms, elimination of the electoral college and establishing term
limits for all "elected officials."

[Frigidus]

The Democrats lost their way a long time ago. Guys like Kucinich and now ex-senator Russ Feingold don't have a place in the party that now turns out guys like Clinton and Obama. There are only a handful of congressman I have respect for, and one of them is on the way out.

[Neoteny]

How can Ron Paul getting things done scare you?

Because I disagree strongly with many of his policy positions. I said I like his style, not his politics. He's charismatic, a bit more to the point than most politicians, and has fairly clear direction. The direction is horrifying to me, but it's there.

EDIT: I also don't necessarily think Ron Paul would get much done. He'll catch too much resistance from the Republicans in Congress. They might start off with him, but after a year, tops, they will be too concerned about their jobs to get fully on board the RuPaul train.

The Democrats lost their way a long time ago. Guys like Kucinich and now ex-senator Russ Feingold don't have a place in the party that now turns out guys like Clinton and Obama. There are only a handful of congressman I have respect for, and one of them is on the way out.

Remember when the Paulites first started really taking over the interwebs toward the end of the Bush era? We need to do that. Here. Now. I've said "whoo Kucinich" on this site enough. We need to take it to the next level.

Kucinich 2016

Most Republicans think he's a whackjob already, so we've got a head start in that department. Now we need to just start plastering facebook and related social media. We need to make this happen.

[john9blue]

In a world where candidates for president are actually diametrically opposed, the 2008 general presidential election should have been Dennis Kucinich vs. Ron Paul.

Instead, we get a world where the 2008 presidential candidates were Kang and Kodos and their views were not diametrically opposed except when things were manufactured. "I want to bail out companies." "So do I." "I want to expand the role of the military." "So do I." "I want to invade Iran someday." "Me too... also Syria."

Have I mentioned I detest the U.S. political system?

i don't think kucinich and paul are "diametrically opposed" per se.

they just have different means to the same end: freedom.

the democratic and republican parties have a different end.

[Phatscotty]

Hardcore big government Democrat Dennis Kucinich lost his Democratic primary. I can't think of a guy that epitomized Democratic values more than him. Does this show that Democrats have lost their way (much in the same way that Republicans not backing Ron Paul shows that they've lost their way)?

Dennis Kucinich is the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Given that Congress and the president have been less than progressive and more big government Republican, I'd say the answer is yes (but only with that "given" I just mentioned).

I love Kucinich. LOVE HIM!

♥'s Kucci

[Phatscotty]

Kucinich was the high profile unwavering democrat. You can look for excuses, but that result says something.

Why? Because he ran for President a few years ago and was soundly defeated in the Democratic primaries? Just because he is the name you recognize? That doesn't mean a thing. Clearly the Ohio voters don't hold him in as much esteem as you seem to.

In a world where candidates for president are actually diametrically opposed, the 2008 general presidential election should have been Dennis Kucinich vs. Ron Paul.

Instead, we get a world where the 2008 presidential candidates were Kang and Kodos and their views were not diametrically opposed except when things were manufactured. "I want to bail out companies." "So do I." "I want to expand the role of the military." "So do I." "I want to invade Iran someday." "Me too... also Syria."

Have I mentioned I detest the U.S. political system?

No matter who won between Paul or Kucinich, I would know that the constitution was still being respected.

I respect liberal opinions and their freedom to speak any truths or lies they might speak, but I would have a whole new level of respect if more Democrats were like Kucci.

[Neoteny]

I think this settles it. The next name for this forum should be in honor of Dennis Kucinich.

2016, baby.

[john9blue]

i have a sneaking suspicion that kucinich would get snubbed by the media like paul did if he ever makes a serious attempt at the presidency.

[Lootifer]

No matter who won between Paul or Kucinich, I would know that the constitution was still being respected.

I respect liberal opinions and their freedom to speak any truths or lies they might speak, but I would have a whole new level of respect if more Democrats were like Kucci.

Really? I find that somewhat surprising, but good on ya /thumbsup

In case you missed thje memo though here's some of his policy from 2008 election (stolen from wikipedia):

Creating a single-payer not-for-profit system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Care Act.
The immediate, phased withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq; replacing them with an international security force.
Guaranteed quality education for all; including free pre-kindergarten and college for all who want it.
Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Immediate repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act.
Fostering a world of international cooperation.
Abolishing the death penalty.
Environmental renewal and clean energy.
Creating a moratorium on Genetically Modified Organism (GMO).
Implementation of H.R. 676, which integrates traditional medicine with complementary and alternative medicine (CAM).
Ban offshore drilling.
Halt all Biochemical Aerial Spraying of Pesticides and other toxins.
Preventing the privatization of social security.
Providing full social security benefits at age 65.
Creating a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"
Ratifying the ABM Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.
Introducing reforms to bring about instant-runoff voting.
Protecting a woman's "right to choose" while decreasing the number of abortions performed in the U.S.
Lowering the voting age to 16
Ending the War on Drugs.
Legalizing same-sex marriage.
Strongly promoting workers' rights.
Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
Restoring rural communities and family farms.
Strengthening gun control.
Legalizing medicinal marijuana and decriminalizing non-medical possession.

There's a lot of stuff in there that you and NS have argued on a constitutional basis before, hence my surprise at your stance on this guy.