Conquer Club

would you have plans in place, of what to do, with all your planes / helicopters etc in case the invading aliens are just like the ones in independence day?

in that film, the fighters take off to attack the big space ships, and it seems like everything else that could fly was on an airfield to be taken out by the alien fighters.

Seeing as how you are playing a strategy game most days, what plan would you have to counter the remote risk that we are attacked by aliens?

I would have them work on roads and highways in america as well as kicking MExican drug cartel ass.

That is all.

btw if an alien race can travel light years to attack us, you better believe there is not f*ck we could do to stop them from annihilating us.. not to be Major Buzzkill. Just there is no damn way we could fight technology that has a source of energy like that.

army of nobunaga wrote:btw if an alien race can travel light years to attack us, you better believe there is not f*ck we could do to stop them from annihilating us.. not to be Major Buzzkill. Just there is no damn way we could fight technology that has a source of energy like that.

Unless it takes literally all that energy to get here, and once they arrive they're totally wiped out and need to be nursed back to health

InkL0sed wrote:

army of nobunaga wrote:btw if an alien race can travel light years to attack us, you better believe there is not f*ck we could do to stop them from annihilating us.. not to be Major Buzzkill. Just there is no damn way we could fight technology that has a source of energy like that.

Unless it takes literally all that energy to get here, and once they arrive they're totally wiped out and need to be nursed back to health

I would let them suckle on my teet.

but guys... what type of alien general would say "Lets travel 200 light years and be out of energy when we arrive but yet attack these apes for their Twinkies and gold" (alien language would be garble garble garble mother fucking apes garble garble)?

Lets face it... we get attacked from space in the next 100 years, we are fucked as a species.

Why would aliens want to attack us?

What do we have that they would want?

natty dread wrote:Why would aliens want to attack us?

What do we have that they would want?

you can only place us in their shoes........ Resources and space.


Man kind is a virus, you can only assume other species are as well.

JUST THIS YEAR we started looking at "earth like" planets with the perfect distance from their suns... you have to believe we are not the first if you understand math.


No buddy... we see aliens before we go see them, they either subjugate us or annihilate us. google this, most theoretical physicists say this.

army of nobunaga wrote:you can only place us in their shoes........ Resources and space.

Space? The space is full of space.

And resources? Earth has nothing valuable. Anything that can be found in earth can be found all around the universe abundantly, and it's surely easier to go mine whatever they need from a lifeless planet than ours.

Only thing aliens could want from us would be biological resources - maybe they'd want to use us for slaves. But then again, it would be much easier for them to breed their own slaves, rather than put huge amount of resources in fighting a war in some distant planet just to gather us inferior species...

army of nobunaga wrote: most theoretical physicists say this.

lol

natty dread wrote:

army of nobunaga wrote:you can only place us in their shoes........ Resources and space.

Space? The space is full of space.

And resources? Earth has nothing valuable. Anything that can be found in earth can be found all around the universe abundantly, and it's surely easier to go mine whatever they need from a lifeless planet than ours.

Only thing aliens could want from us would be biological resources - maybe they'd want to use us for slaves. But then again, it would be much easier for them to breed their own slaves, rather than put huge amount of resources in fighting a war in some distant planet just to gather us inferior species...

army of nobunaga wrote: most theoretical physicists say this.

lol

I do not act like a nerd... but unfortunately I am as much of a nerd as any of you.. I check news.google every morning on science and ufos. (and other shit)

Cannot say I believe in either, but I can say I believe in the coming of both from just shear probability.

When I said space I meant "Area for population growth"

Natty you are countering on my threads because you do not like me... that is the dark side young padowin. Your judgment clouded it is.

I believe even that english dude that cannot speak right said some shit through hs computer backing me up..... natty you are almost english, so that most be gospel for you.

you should google more and counteract nobu less... because anyone with a stable logical mind would understand that no UFO is always a safe UFO... Any population that outadvances our science like they would, would look at us like we look at crayfish, that is logic bubba.... fucking logic. Not TV or nattyland or wherever you are.

army of nobunaga wrote:I do not act like a nerd... but unfortunately I am as much of a nerd as any of you..

That's not possible, just look at my avatar - >

no one can out-nerd me now...

army of nobunaga wrote:When I said space I meant "Area for population growth"

If an alien race has the technology for faster-than-light travel (if that is even possible) or near-ftl travel, they almost certainly can also terraform dead planets to suit their needs.

army of nobunaga wrote:Natty you are countering on my threads because you do not like me...

Nah, I'm countering because I disagree with you. I can't say I really like or dislike you, I don't know you well enough to make that judgement.

natty dread wrote:

army of nobunaga wrote:you can only place us in their shoes........ Resources and space.

Space? The space is full of space.

And resources? Earth has nothing valuable. Anything that can be found in earth can be found all around the universe abundantly, and it's surely easier to go mine whatever they need from a lifeless planet than ours.

Only thing aliens could want from us would be biological resources - maybe they'd want to use us for slaves. But then again, it would be much easier for them to breed their own slaves, rather than put huge amount of resources in fighting a war in some distant planet just to gather us inferior species...

Water. Water would be a valuable resource they could need that isn't found many other places in the universe (that we know of).

well we agree there except I can say I like people or dislike them here and I have always liked you.

Tereform... well..... shit..... Unless you can make material from pure energy and base element like silicon or hydrogen and you have a technology for near unlimited energy, then this is impossible.

But I will say now, that this is possible.

But NAtty, it comes to probability...

Ill try to say this in 4-10 lines but I could write pages on it....

And we will have to rely on an unproven theorum of Occams razor for my argument.

This is truth at least to me
The galaxy is near infinite or at least close enough for our purposes
We have homo sapiens in science around 200-300 years (I am 10 years removed from academia and refuse to wiki shit in a debate)
I suspect (from my knowledge and studys) that homo sapiens are 300k years'ish.

well buddy, our earth is 4 billion years old.

Humans a a drop in the fucking pan.

Shear numbers tell me and most others that other planets ... many others... have a civilization. So lets break this down.

humans have come to our present state at .12% of earths history... (someone check my nobu slapshod math) are you willing to say there are no intelligent life at one of an almost infinite numbers of other planets at a present state of .4 or .5 of their planets history (this would be like 1million years of more evolution than us)?

Natty, it is numbers. It is te numberos

So you are willing to state that those civilizations that are at least 100 years (how far AT LEAST we are) ahead of us in technology will come in peace and not change us?


Remember, Americans, British, French, when they found "new worlds" the populations almost to a 100% changed completely and sometimes died out.

It is shear x-file'ish and pop culture greenie hippie ish to expect a civilization to visit us (and they will) and not consider us lobster or crayfish.

They're not coming for water they're coming for our gold.

(Have you people seen Ron Paul? He's clearly an alien infiltration agent. And, ISN'T IT INTERESTING HE KEEPS DEMANDING TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY'RE KEEPING THE GOLD? SAYING "LET ME SEE WHERE IT IS - LET ME LOOK AT IT" AND SO FORTH?)

If the aliens are coming here for resources we would have to eliminate their incentive to remain. However, destroying whatever natural resource it was they were seeking would probably render the planet uninhabitable for the population as it currently exists so we would have to proceed along this course of action in such a way that large-scale depopulation could be simultaneously accomplished.

So, prior to any contact occurring I would contingently select 5,000 of the best human specimens - single people with no children who were between 5'10" and 6'1", H/W proportional, blood type O, high IQ, technical training, superior health and fitness, psychologically sound, under 40 with a high level of sexual fertility and who live near a transportation hub.

On earliest indicator that contact were imminent I would disperse the specimen population to several holding arenas around the world. Conventional forces could then engage the invading aliens as long as manpower allowed. Assuming submerged SSBNs survived the initial assault- and cnce the Earth had been adequately depopulated of the bulk of humanity - I would use SLBMs to destroy the major concentrations of resources which G2 indicated the aliens wanted (gold mines?). The aliens would eventually depart and the specimen population could begin the process of repopulating the planet at a level more manageable given the diminished resources.

tkr4lf wrote:Water. Water would be a valuable resource they could need that isn't found many other places in the universe (that we know of).

Hydrogen is plentiful in the universe.

army of nobunaga wrote:Tereform... well..... shit..... Unless you can make material from pure energy and base element like silicon or hydrogen and you have a technology for near unlimited energy, then this is impossible.

We're talking about aliens that have advanced technology, that are capable of traveling hundreds of light years at least just to go visit a planet with life...

army of nobunaga wrote:Shear numbers tell me and most others that other planets ... many others... have a civilization.

Have you heard of the Drake Equation? It's a formula for calculating how many civilizations are probably in the universe at any given time. Current estimates give the amount of civilizations in our galaxy around 200, with 2 of them trying to contact other civilizations at any given time.

army of nobunaga wrote:So you are willing to state that those civilizations that are at least 100 years (how far AT LEAST we are) ahead of us in technology will come in peace and not change us?

Possibly

army of nobunaga wrote:t is shear x-file'ish and pop culture greenie hippie ish to expect a civilization to visit us (and they will) and not consider us lobster or crayfish.

We look nothing like lobsters. Even if they are more advanced than us, they can still discern that we're a sentient lifeform...

If we talk about when the europeans first came to america, they slaughtered the natives and so on... but now, we are moving further away from that kind of thought, every generation is less racist than the previous one, by average... most civilized people today already find it incredible that people could consider other people to be inferior just because they are different.

So, if we consider that the aliens would be way more advanced, they would likely have also developed socially, enough to not have xenophobia to cloud their judgement.

Think of it this way: if we discovered aliens on some other planet, we would be likely to want to study them, and possibly have some kind of relations with them... only the most rabid among humans would instantly think "we need to conquer/subdue them" without knowing anything about them... so why would the aliens be different in that respect?

saxitoxin wrote:So, prior to any contact occurring I would contingently select 5,000 of the best human specimens - single people with no children who were between 5'10" and 6'1", H/W proportional, blood type O, high IQ, technical training, superior health and fitness, psychologically sound, under 40 with a high level of sexual fertility and who live near a transportation hub.

god fucking damnit... A- blood type. I'm sad to be left out of Uncle Saxi's Earth Survival Force.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:So, prior to any contact occurring I would contingently select 5,000 of the best human specimens - single people with no children who were between 5'10" and 6'1", H/W proportional, blood type O, high IQ, technical training, superior health and fitness, psychologically sound, under 40 with a high level of sexual fertility and who live near a transportation hub.

god fucking damnit... A- blood type. I'm sad to be left out of Uncle Saxi's Earth Survival Force.

-TG

I'm O+

where do I apply?

natty dread wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:Water. Water would be a valuable resource they could need that isn't found many other places in the universe (that we know of).

Hydrogen is plentiful in the universe.

Is oxygen?

saxitoxin wrote:If the aliens are coming here for resources we would have to eliminate their incentive to remain. However, destroying whatever natural resource it was they were seeking would probably render the planet uninhabitable for the population as it currently exists so we would have to proceed along this course of action in such a way that large-scale depopulation could be simultaneously accomplished.

So, prior to any contact occurring I would contingently select 5,000 of the best human specimens - single people with no children who were between 5'10" and 6'1", H/W proportional, blood type O, high IQ, technical training, superior health and fitness, psychologically sound, under 40 with a high level of sexual fertility and who live near a transportation hub.

On earliest indicator that contact were imminent I would disperse the specimen population to several holding arenas around the world. Conventional forces could then engage the invading aliens as long as manpower allowed. Assuming submerged SSBNs survived the initial assault- and cnce the Earth had been adequately depopulated of the bulk of humanity - I would use SLBMs to destroy the major concentrations of resources which G2 indicated the aliens wanted (gold mines?). The aliens would eventually depart and the specimen population could begin the process of repopulating the planet at a level more manageable given the diminished resources.

Hmm... a self imposed Malthusian cycle. Good idea.

army of nobunaga wrote:but guys... what type of alien general would say "Lets travel 200 light years and be out of energy when we arrive but yet attack these apes for their Twinkies and gold" (alien language would be garble garble garble mother fucking apes garble garble)?

A Napoleonic alien?

tkr4lf wrote:

natty dread wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:Water. Water would be a valuable resource they could need that isn't found many other places in the universe (that we know of).

Hydrogen is plentiful in the universe.

Is oxygen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen#Occurrence

It's estimated as the 3rd most common element in our galaxy.

natty dread wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:

natty dread wrote:

tkr4lf wrote:Water. Water would be a valuable resource they could need that isn't found many other places in the universe (that we know of).

Hydrogen is plentiful in the universe.

Is oxygen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen#Occurrence

It's estimated as the 3rd most common element in our galaxy.

Well, I'll be an inmate's bitch.

I guess the super-advanced alien life form could just create water instead of having to come take ours.

Hmm, maybe they will want our oil, then? Perhaps all their fossil fuels have been used up. But, that would mean they would have found another energy source, and wouldn't be using fossil fuels anymore, and therefore wouldn't need our oil.

Ok, I guess I'm out of reasons why aliens would invade.

I would obviously have dedicated telegraph centers in bombproofs spread throughout the globe. Unless the aliens also saw Independence Day... shit.