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A Democratic strategist talked about Mitt Romeny and his wife, saying:

"What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country, saying, 'Well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues, and when I listen to my wife, that's what I'm hearing,' " Rosen said. "Guess what? His wife has actually never worked a day in her life."

Rosen continued by saying Mrs. Romney had "never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing, in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school, and why do we worry about their future."

...maybe I haven't struggled as much financially as some people have...

What do you guys think of this? I understand that stay-at-home moms are still doing things, they don't just sit around drinking all day. I understand that taking care of the kids etc, packing lunches, cleaning house, driving them to school and soccer practice etc is "work", but not really.

What do you think of people who haven't ever had a job? Never received a paycheck. Never had to work 8-5. Never had to worry about the cost of food, the cost of gas.

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

Raising kids well is arguably the single most important job in our society today.

Incidently i'd also vote democrat/liberal in the states if i lived there (unless i was allowed to vote no confidence )

I'd feel sorry for someone that have never worked a day in his/her life. Not morally speaking, but because it's something they are missing, it's character forming, it builds up your selfsteem and a whole lot of other good stuff.

Lootifer wrote:Raising kids well is arguably the single most important job in our society today.

The reference of the quote wasn't on whether it is important or not (it is) but whether someone who has never done anything else can understand the economy and plight of the workforce.

Bones2484 wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Raising kids well is arguably the single most important job in our society today.

The reference of the quote wasn't on whether it is important or not (it is) but whether someone who has never done anything else can understand the economy and plight of the workforce.

Does a stay at home mom not deal with finances or something? They aren't out of touch with the world. I work full-time and my wife knows more about our finances than I do.
If you are actually doing you job as a stay at home mom. It is more than work. When I am done with work I get to go home. When a stay at home mom is done with work? Never.

Well, Obama is telling women all across America that being a mother "isn't a real job".....

Guess who's at war with women now OBAMA

Dumbass

Bones2484 wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Raising kids well is arguably the single most important job in our society today.

The reference of the quote wasn't on whether it is important or not (it is) but whether someone who has never done anything else can understand the economy and plight of the workforce.

Oh i understand that; but to me it was just typical political BS [on both sides].

For example how much does Joe Labourer understand about the "economy and plight of the workforce"?

@scotty: this wasn't obama, it was a democratic strategist.

and it varies from family to family i would imagine

It's funny, Obama never had any executive experience before becoming President but that doesn't matter.

The Dems shouldn't go down this road. It comes off as misogynistic. There is nothing wrong with staying at home and raising a family. Nothing at all. And furthermore, just because a woman raises a family doesn't mean she doesn't have an intellect or is completely ignorant of anything other than raising a family.

Instead of saying "She doesn't know what she's talking about" it would be better to merely point out exactly what it is that she said and then describe how and why it's wrong and let people judge for themselves whom they choose to believe or listen to.

The Dems and even Obama to his credit are disavowing Rosen. Even they know how stupid, offensive and wrong her comments were.

We don't know what Mrs Romney has done in her capacity as a mother. For all we know she has raised them specifically by spending very little amounts, just the bare necessities(those humble bear necessities), so her children don't grow up with a sense of entitlement(a common problem among the wealthy). So while it's not fair to criticize her with regards to raising children, I don't understand what Romney is saying about listening to his wife about economic issues. Don't you have economic advisors Mitt? Who do you listen to for foreign affairs, your gardener?

bedub1 wrote:What do you think of people who haven't ever had a job? Never received a paycheck. Never had to work 8-5. Never had to worry about the cost of food, the cost of gas.

Your premise is completely false. It's the stay at home moms who do most of the shopping and have seen the massive rise in costs for all the everyday items they need for taking care of their families. They've seen the inflation in food and other necessities that the government keeps denying exists. Stay at home moms are incredibly in tune to the economic realities in the country and should all go out to vote against Obama.

Night Strike wrote:

bedub1 wrote:What do you think of people who haven't ever had a job? Never received a paycheck. Never had to work 8-5. Never had to worry about the cost of food, the cost of gas.

Your premise is completely false. It's the stay at home moms who do most of the shopping and have seen the massive rise in costs for all the everyday items they need for taking care of their families. They've seen the inflation in food and other necessities that the government keeps denying exists. Stay at home moms are incredibly in tune to the economic realities in the country and should all go out to vote against Obama.

lol. I actually agree with this up to the partisan hackery. The fact that household work isn't thought of as being work, aside from being the principal flaw with GDP as an evaluative instrument in my book is just stupid, seeing as about 60% of the time the person taking care of the house are the people doing most of the work.

Night Strike wrote:

bedub1 wrote:What do you think of people who haven't ever had a job? Never received a paycheck. Never had to work 8-5. Never had to worry about the cost of food, the cost of gas.

Your premise is completely false. It's the stay at home moms who do most of the shopping and have seen the massive rise in costs for all the everyday items they need for taking care of their families. They've seen the inflation in food and other necessities that the government keeps denying exists. Stay at home moms are incredibly in tune to the economic realities in the country and should all go out to vote against Obama.

How is his premise false? If the people he's referring to are people like Mitt Romneys wife, I imagine it is sufficiently unlikely that she goes out and buys the household food. They have people to do things like that. Richie Rich has a guy for every specific task common people do.

You are right though about voting thing, because a loaf of bread costing 2 dollars fifty is specifically Obama's doing. It's actually a plot, the price of foodstuffs, by the Obama's to takeover Wallmart and turn it into a commie supermarket.

Bones2484 wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Raising kids well is arguably the single most important job in our society today.

The reference of the quote wasn't on whether it is important or not (it is) but whether someone who has never done anything else can understand the economy and plight of the workforce.

I don't think this Dem strategist has ever spent a day being a Republican. Therefore, she's unqualified to be commenting on them at all.

Phatscotty wrote:Well, Obama is telling women all across America that being a mother "isn't a real job".....

No he isn't, you dummy.

Mrs.Romney's MS and cancer are bigger character building events in her life than her experiences as a housewife. Do you think she has spent much time at the grocery store or cleaning house in recent years? Being the wife of a wealthy man has it's perks and still the recent comments are ridiculous.

Being a stay at home mom is NOT a job. It might be work, but it's not a job. Jobs you can get fired from, you can quit. You have breaks. You receive a paycheck. You have to file taxes for your income. You have to search for jobs, create a resume, fill out applications, interview for the position, wait in anticipation for them to call you back.

Staying at home and taking care of your kids is your responsibility as a parent. It work, but it's not a job. If you take care of somebody else's kids, work as a nanny, or a house cleaner, that's a job. But when you do it for yourself, that's just your responsibility as a parent.

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

I still support these statements. The Romney's are so far into the 1% they have no clue about the plights of the 99%. They don't understand needing health insurance, or it being too expensive. They don't understand what a loaf of bread costs, and it's affects on society. When prices increase they think "yay! more profits for me" where as the rest of the world thinks "shit, now my family will go hungry".

bedub1 wrote:

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

I still support these statements. The Romney's are so far into the 1% they have no clue about the plights of the 99%. They don't understand needing health insurance, or it being too expensive. They don't understand what a loaf of bread costs, and it's affects on society. When prices increase they think "yay! more profits for me" where as the rest of the world thinks "shit, now my family will go hungry".

That argument might be valid for the Romneys, but it is NOT characteristic of the vast majority of stay at home moms around the country. They are acutely aware of the growing prices on the items they have to buy on a weekly basis and the lies the government keeps telling them in regards to inflation. They know how badly those higher prices are harming the rest of the economy through a decrease in discretionary spending.

bedub1 wrote:Being a stay at home mom is NOT a job. It might be work, but it's not a job. Jobs you can get fired from, you can quit. You have breaks. You receive a paycheck. You have to file taxes for your income. You have to search for jobs, create a resume, fill out applications, interview for the position, wait in anticipation for them to call you back.

Staying at home and taking care of your kids is your responsibility as a parent. It work, but it's not a job. If you take care of somebody else's kids, work as a nanny, or a house cleaner, that's a job. But when you do it for yourself, that's just your responsibility as a parent.

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

I still support these statements. The Romney's are so far into the 1% they have no clue about the plights of the 99%. They don't understand needing health insurance, or it being too expensive. They don't understand what a loaf of bread costs, and it's affects on society. When prices increase they think "yay! more profits for me" where as the rest of the world thinks "shit, now my family will go hungry".

I didn't know you could read minds. Maybe you should get a job as a talking head for the mainstream media.

bedub1 wrote:I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

The Romney's live in the real world and like all people (and politicians) of their social niche have their own reality. I do find it odd seeing Mittens making public appearances in blue jeans and wonder if he ever wears the same pair twice.

George Bush Sr. couldn't tell a reporter the price of a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread on his last campaign, as it had been decades since he had actually seen the inside of a grocery store. I suspect the Romney's are being fully briefed on the cost of things so they don't step in that same ugly bucket of smelly reality poop.

kentington wrote:

Bones2484 wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Raising kids well is arguably the single most important job in our society today.

The reference of the quote wasn't on whether it is important or not (it is) but whether someone who has never done anything else can understand the economy and plight of the workforce.

Does a stay at home mom not deal with finances or something? They aren't out of touch with the world. I work full-time and my wife knows more about our finances than I do.
If you are actually doing you job as a stay at home mom. It is more than work. When I am done with work I get to go home. When a stay at home mom is done with work? Never.

YOU are missing the point as a person of means who has never been faced with having to get a job or struggle she is out of touch and if romney thinks she is the pulse of american women it shows he is out of touch and an idiot for making the statement he did.

jgordon1111 wrote:

kentington wrote:

Bones2484 wrote:

Lootifer wrote:Raising kids well is arguably the single most important job in our society today.

The reference of the quote wasn't on whether it is important or not (it is) but whether someone who has never done anything else can understand the economy and plight of the workforce.

Does a stay at home mom not deal with finances or something? They aren't out of touch with the world. I work full-time and my wife knows more about our finances than I do.
If you are actually doing you job as a stay at home mom. It is more than work. When I am done with work I get to go home. When a stay at home mom is done with work? Never.

YOU are missing the point as a person of means who has never been faced with having to get a job or struggle she is out of touch and if romney thinks she is the pulse of american women it shows he is out of touch and an idiot for making the statement he did.

I don't think I am missing the point. I think the statement should just be referring to Mrs. Romney and have nothing to do with being a stay at home mom. She is the one out of touch not all stay at home moms. Stay at home moms are more in touch than a lot of people I see in the work force.

Wow. Obama has made reference many times of how he seeks insight from his wife and I couldn't say that she has any idea of what it's like to be me or my own situation. But I don't fault Obama or her for that.

There is nothing wrong with seeking the council and insight of one's marriage partner be you a President or a Pauper. I would feel more ill at ease with a person who ignored his own's partner's advice or thoughts. To suggest that anyone is so stupid as to actually seek the opinion of their mate shows how utterly out of touch with wisdom one is to suggest such a thing.

Those criticizing the Romeny's as such show a shallowness that they seem not to notice about themselves. Maybe you should and contemplate the merit and implications of your position.....

patches70 wrote:Wow. Obama has made reference many times of how he seeks insight from his wife and I couldn't say that she has any idea of what it's like to be me or my own situation. But I don't fault Obama or her for that.

There is nothing wrong with seeking the council and insight of one's marriage partner be you a President or a Pauper. I would feel more ill at ease with a person who ignored his own's partner's advice or thoughts. To suggest that anyone is so stupid as to actually seek the opinion of their mate shows how utterly out of touch with wisdom one is to suggest such a thing.

Those criticizing the Romeny's as such show a shallowness that they seem not to notice about themselves. Maybe you should and contemplate the merit and implications of your position.....

Do you ask your wife how to fix your car, or a mechanic?
Do you ask your husband how to cook a turkey, or a chef?
Should rMoney ask his wife about the economy, or a professional?

bedub1 wrote:

patches70 wrote:Wow. Obama has made reference many times of how he seeks insight from his wife and I couldn't say that she has any idea of what it's like to be me or my own situation. But I don't fault Obama or her for that.

There is nothing wrong with seeking the council and insight of one's marriage partner be you a President or a Pauper. I would feel more ill at ease with a person who ignored his own's partner's advice or thoughts. To suggest that anyone is so stupid as to actually seek the opinion of their mate shows how utterly out of touch with wisdom one is to suggest such a thing.

Those criticizing the Romeny's as such show a shallowness that they seem not to notice about themselves. Maybe you should and contemplate the merit and implications of your position.....

Do you ask your wife how to fix your car, or a mechanic?
Do you ask your husband how to cook a turkey, or a chef?
Should rMoney ask his wife about the economy, or a professional?

I could ask my wife anything and she can tell me what she thinks. There is no problem with that at all is there?
Why does that bother you so much?

I suppose Romeny could be more like a Newt Gingrich who left two wives when they got sick. Or like a John Edwards who cheated on his cancer stricken wife and committed crimes of campaign finance.

It goes to show that Romney might actually love his wife, something that for some reason bothers certain people. Why?

The First Lady gives diet advice, is she a dietitian? No, she isn't but does that matter? Of course it doesn't, she can say what she wants.
Instead of me saying "The First Lady doesn't know anything about diet matters because she's a lawyer, not a dietitian" comes off as quite pretentious and partisan, don't you think?
Instead of using that argument if I disagreed with something the First Lady said in that regard, wouldn't it be more intellectually honest of me to take exactly what she said and then show why it was wrong?
If Romeny's wife has given such bad economic opinion, then what exactly is the reasons you find her specific opinions wrong?
Do you even know what she has or hasn't said on this matter?

Your line shows that you care nothing about debate but rather attack due to partisan rhetoric. You don't even bother to understand what you are really saying-
That it's ok to simply disregard out of hand what your closest partner in life thinks because you decide she/he doesn't know a damn thing.
That's a really good way to base relationship on, eh?

So by all means, rant on, but don't even hold an illusion that you are anywhere close to actual intellectual honesty when you do so. You've done nothing but latch on to a rhetorical talking point and given no thought as to it's substance.