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Posted: **Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:16 pm**

Or is it 3d? Does anybody have an idea for the 3rd dimension? You always hear about it being 1d; you either believe in god or you don't. Is this diagram all-inclusive? Or is it missing things? Tell me how simplistic it is, and how it fails to properly encompass the entire understanding of the topic.

Where do you fall in the diagram below? I think I'm Agnostic Atheist. But I might be a Agnostic Theist. I don't really know what I believe. It's easier to point at things and say: "I don't believe in that BS."

Posted: **Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:07 pm**

a third dimension could be if the person thinks the term "god" is well-defined or ill-defined

Posted: **Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:25 pm**

AoG WINS!!!

Posted: **Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:31 pm**

BigBallinStalin wrote:AoG WINS!!!

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:16 am**

Army of GOD wrote:a third dimension could be if the person thinks the term "god" is well-defined or ill-defined

Mark me down as an agnostic atheist who thinks the term is ill-defined,or even incoherent.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:22 am**

Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:33 am**

Maugena wrote:Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

Gnostic? Really? You can't "know" Atheism to be true even if it is highly probable.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:59 am**

chang50 wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:a third dimension could be if the person thinks the term "god" is well-defined or ill-defined

Mark me down as an agnostic atheist who thinks the term is ill-defined,or even incoherent.

I'm in the same boat, methinks.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:23 pm**

pmchugh wrote:
Maugena wrote:Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

Gnostic? Really? You can't "know" Atheism to be true even if it is highly probable.

I can understand if you're uncomfortable with the idea that there absolutely isn't a god.
I won't make an argument that there isn't any evidence for a god, but you can definitely deduce that god was indeed a concept invented by man.
But really, why does one have lingering doubts? There isn't any comfort to be had in thinking that there may be a god, so why does it matter?
I believe in the material world and nothing more. I can't think of a reason for believing in anything other than that.

People think that there was a beginning to the universe whereas I do not. The law of conservation of mass states that matter cannot be destroyed nor created. I thought of that and applied the same concept of an eternal god to the universe.
People think that there is a beginning and end to everything because that's what we as humans are subject to as well as most things in the universe. But the thing is... structures of things do not last forever. Structures are subject to a finite lifespan. The matter doesn't go anywhere when it breaks down, it just returns to be a part of something else, such as the wind, the ground, part of a new animal, etc.

In any case, I've said most of this shit before, I hope this sheds some light on my reasoning for you. Perhaps it can help you make a firmer stance one way or the other, it's up to you to decide as it is for everyone. Just don't be a sheep. ;D

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:09 pm**

Maugena wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
Maugena wrote:Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

Gnostic? Really? You can't "know" Atheism to be true even if it is highly probable.

I can understand if you're uncomfortable with the idea that there absolutely isn't a god.
I won't make an argument that there isn't any evidence for a god, but you can definitely deduce that god was indeed a concept invented by man.
But really, why does one have lingering doubts? There isn't any comfort to be had in thinking that there may be a god, so why does it matter?
I believe in the material world and nothing more. I can't think of a reason for believing in anything other than that.

People think that there was a beginning to the universe whereas I do not. The law of conservation of mass states that matter cannot be destroyed nor created. I thought of that and applied the same concept of an eternal god to the universe.
People think that there is a beginning and end to everything because that's what we as humans are subject to as well as most things in the universe. But the thing is... structures of things do not last forever. Structures are subject to a finite lifespan. The matter doesn't go anywhere when it breaks down, it just returns to be a part of something else, such as the wind, the ground, part of a new animal, etc.

In any case, I've said most of this shit before, I hope this sheds some light on my reasoning for you. Perhaps it can help you make a firmer stance one way or the other, it's up to you to decide as it is for everyone. Just don't be a sheep. ;D

You don't need to argue anything, I am rather firmly on the side of Atheism. I would say imma 9.9/10, I just think that to go that extra 0.1 requires too much "faith".

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:11 pm**

Your diagram is shoddily rendered and has a horrible typeface.

THERE I SAID IT

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:38 pm**

natty dread wrote:Your diagram is shoddily rendered and has a horrible typeface.

THERE I SAID IT

Atheists: 0
Christians: 1

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:56 pm**

Apatheists: 45

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:14 pm**

Apatheists get negative points because they suck and everyone hates them.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:03 pm**

natty dread wrote:Apatheists get negative points because they suck and everyone hates them.

YOUR HATRED AROUSES ME

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:39 am**

Wanna cyber?

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:12 am**

In 2d or 3d?

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:25 am**

You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:21 pm**

Dukasaur wrote:You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

What value is that exactly?

Posted: **Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:58 pm**

Dukasaur wrote:You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

Actually I would imagine a lot of atheists feel as you do,it's a very reasonable position.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:26 am**

chang50 wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

Actually I would imagine a lot of atheists feel as you do,it's a very reasonable position.

I do agree on a certain level.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:12 am**

So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

Is it something irreplaceable? Is it something inherent to religion that we couldn't implement with secular organizations? I'm really failing to see what you guys are talking about here.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:13 am**

natty dread wrote:So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

It's not a conspiracy of silence, but it is the kind of question that requires a really good answer or none at all, so I've been waiting until I have time to answer you properly. I will try to get on it later today.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:34 am**

natty dread wrote:So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

Is it something irreplaceable? Is it something inherent to religion that we couldn't implement with secular organizations? I'm really failing to see what you guys are talking about here.

How about it gives believers something they need,that you and me do not need,at least not from religion.A crutch if you like.Not many people get thru life without leaning on something ever.

Posted: **Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:33 am**

chang50 wrote:
natty dread wrote:So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

Is it something irreplaceable? Is it something inherent to religion that we couldn't implement with secular organizations? I'm really failing to see what you guys are talking about here.

How about it gives believers something they need,that you and me do not need,at least not from religion.A crutch if you like.Not many people get thru life without leaning on something ever.

Do they really need it though? If there was no religion, would they even know to miss it?

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