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Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:07 am**

Real equality would mean the ability to have fully fleshed out people, just like there are all over the world. Not every homosexual is a hero, just like not every white person is a villain.

Elie Wiesel actually wrote an article that appeared in The New Yorker about this back in the fifties, about how people shouldn't just acknowledge his right to exist, but also the right for his people to have villains.

What do you guys think?

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:32 am**

Maybe you guys need an example. What do you think of the movie True Lies? One of the good guys was an Arab, but people still flipped out and claimed the movie was racist because it happened to have Arab terrorists as bad guys.

Would you guys think it's anti-semitic if there was a movie with a greedy Jewish banker? What about if there was a sadistic homosexual (like Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs), is that gay bashing? Is it racist against white people that the corrupt, murdering warden of The Shawshank Redemption was white?

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:01 am**

pimpdave wrote:Maybe you guys need an example. What do you think of the movie True Lies? One of the good guys was an Arab, but people still flipped out and claimed the movie was racist because it happened to have Arab terrorists as bad guys.

Would you guys think it's anti-semitic if there was a movie with a greedy Jewish banker? What about if there was a sadistic homosexual (like Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs), is that gay bashing? Is it racist against white people that the corrupt, murdering warden of The Shawshank Redemption was white?

Although your comments on Shawshank were clearly in jest considering the hero is also white, I would expand on that point and highlight that the gay prisoners were also villains in Shawshank Redemption. It doesn't make it a homophobic film by any stretch. It is all about context. For instance John Wayne's pro-war piece Green Berets, there is obvious and blatent racism towards the Vietnamese. The same can be said about D.W Griffith's Birth of A Nation and black people.

People argue that a lot of Stephen King books are racist because of his use of the 'magical negro.' The Shining is one of the most obvious examples. I tend to think this is once again people being over-dramatic and hunting something to complain about especially in more modern movies.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:19 am**

pimpdave wrote:What about if there was a sadistic homosexual (like Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs), is that gay bashing?

Hmm, I'm guessing you haven't actually seen The Silence of the Lambs. Don't be a critic if you don't have the credentials PD.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:05 pm**

Just before the Oscars, a group of gay activists crashed into the New York Film Critics Circle Awards to protest The Silence of the Lambs. They claimed it made drag queens and crossdressers look bad; that the movie implied that men who dress up as women must be sick and deranged. The matter was handled peacefully, though – no arrests were made.

http://www.neatorama.com/2009/02/22/mov ... the-lambs/

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:09 pm**

Have you seen the Silence of the Lambs?

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:10 pm**

Yeah, a few times.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:11 pm**

pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:26 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

It puts the lotion on its skin?

It puts the poodle in the bucket?

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:30 pm**

he's not gay, he's autosexual.

"Would you f*ck me? I'd f*ck me. I'd f*ck me hard."

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:31 pm**

Iron Butterfly wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

It puts the lotion on its skin?

It puts the poodle in the bucket?

Meh, maybe making a woman suit is a gay thing for PD. I've no idea, but there's nothing in the movie that says he's gay.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:26 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Dave said some gays think Buffalo Bill is gay. The two images that look like stag bettle larvae in his post, surrounding a phrase, are called quotation marks and are used to denote speech, or a quotation, in some Indo-European languages. According to Wikipedia:

Single or double quotation marks denote either speech or a quotation. Double quotes are preferred in the United States, and also tend to be preferred in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Single quotes are more usual in the United Kingdom and South Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:32 pm**

saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Dave said some gays think Buffalo Bill is gay.

pimpdave wrote:What about if there was a sadistic homosexual (like Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs)

Hmm. Nope, he said Buffalo Bill is gay.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=170008#p3713780

To be fair Saxi, I thought it was a weird statement too.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:37 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Dave said some gays think Buffalo Bill is gay.

pimpdave wrote:What about if there was a sadistic homosexual (like Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs)

Hmm. Nope, he said Buffalo Bill is gay.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=170008#p3713780

To be fair Saxi, I thought it was a weird statement too.

Cool. "Sadistic" being the drawing word - and "Buffalo Bill" being separated by parentheses - I took it to mean Dave was asking if there was a sadist like Buffalo Bill so assumed your prancing about was in reaction to his later quote.

I guess I understand, though, how one might reach a different conclusion as to Dave's intent if one's worldview equates sadism with homosexuality.
No?

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:43 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Maybe because in the novel (as well as the movie), Jame Gumb (AKA Buffalo Bill) murdered Benjamin Raspail (you know, the guy who's head was found in the storage unit?) after Raspail left Gumb. The two were lovers.

Now, you might not consider Gumb homosexual, maybe you'd be right, but he certainly preferred men as sexual partners over women. It never went into it in the book, but I'd be hard pressed to even think Gumb had ever had sexual relations with anyone of the opposite sex. He certainly didn't rape any of the women he kidnapped and later murdered. He just wanted their skin, so he could be a woman.

Buffalo Bill was sexually attracted to men.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:53 pm**

patches70 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Maybe because in the novel (as well as the movie), Jame Gumb (AKA Buffalo Bill) murdered Benjamin Raspail (you know, the guy who's head was found in the storage unit?) after Raspail left Gumb. .

So your answer is that PD read the novel? Meh, an interesting rant, but I'm fairly sure he was referring to the movie.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:55 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
patches70 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Maybe because in the novel (as well as the movie), Jame Gumb (AKA Buffalo Bill) murdered Benjamin Raspail (you know, the guy who's head was found in the storage unit?) after Raspail left Gumb. .

So your answer is that PD read the novel? Meh, an interesting rant, but I'm fairly sure he was referring to the movie.

Why is everything a "rant"?

I have a feeling you don't really know what that word means.....

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:00 pm**

patches70 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
patches70 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

Maybe because in the novel (as well as the movie), Jame Gumb (AKA Buffalo Bill) murdered Benjamin Raspail (you know, the guy who's head was found in the storage unit?) after Raspail left Gumb. .

So your answer is that PD read the novel? Meh, an interesting rant, but I'm fairly sure he was referring to the movie.

Why is everything a "rant"?

I have a feeling you don't really know what that word means.....

Thanks for keeping this one short. Your rants are your long posts where you start off by addressing the subject, then get increasingly angry about other subjects, resulting in an odd demand. Usually you throw in something about how the poster you're replying to "just doesn't understand".

It's a cute gimmick. but don't get angry simply because I identified your style.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:07 pm**

Symmetry wrote:
patches70 wrote:
I have a feeling you don't really know what that word means.....

Thanks for keeping this one short. Your rants are your long posts where you start off by addressing the subject, then get increasingly angry about other subjects, resulting in an odd demand. Usually you throw in something about how the poster you're replying to "just doesn't understand".

It's a cute gimmick. but don't get angry simply because I identified your style.

It's a bit déclassé to fall back on personal attacks and insults in a heretofore civil thread.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:23 pm**

Symmetry wrote:Thanks for keeping this one short. Your rants are your long posts where you start off by addressing the subject, then get increasingly angry about other subjects, resulting in an odd demand. Usually you throw in something about how the poster you're replying to "just doesn't understand".

It's a cute gimmick. but don't get angry simply because I identified your style.

Gimmick

.

You asked why PD thought Buffalo Bill was a homosexual. I simply provided the answer. You then state he didn't read the book but instead only watched the movie.

Hey, guess what, everything I told you was in the movie as well. Not just the book.

I suggest you take some reading comprehension classes. At the very least, use a dictionary to look up the word "rant".

I know your gimmick as well, whenever you are shown to be wrong about something you merely insult as a retort instead of admitting you were mistaken.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:35 pm**

Iron Butterfly wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, a few times.

Cool, so why do you think Buffalo Bill is gay?

It puts the lotion on its skin?

It puts the poodle in the bucket?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2012 1:26 pm**

patches70 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Thanks for keeping this one short. Your rants are your long posts where you start off by addressing the subject, then get increasingly angry about other subjects, resulting in an odd demand. Usually you throw in something about how the poster you're replying to "just doesn't understand".

It's a cute gimmick. but don't get angry simply because I identified your style.

Gimmick .

You asked why PD thought Buffalo Bill was a homosexual. I simply provided the answer. You then state he didn't read the book but instead only watched the movie.

Hey, guess what, everything I told you was in the movie as well. Not just the book.

I suggest you take some reading comprehension classes. At the very least, use a dictionary to look up the word "rant".

I know your gimmick as well, whenever you are shown to be wrong about something you merely insult as a retort instead of admitting you were mistaken.

Charming, as always, Patches. Now, of course, there's nothing in the movie that says Buffalo Bill is homosexual. Sexually messed up, sure, perhaps transexual, maybe, but gay? No.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2012 3:27 pm**

Wherever a gay might be offended, Symmetry will be there.

Wherever that word is tossed around, Symmetry will be there to brush it off.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2012 3:32 pm**

BigBallinStalin wrote:Wherever a gay might be offended, Symmetry will be there.

Wherever that word is tossed around, Symmetry will be there to brush it off.

Yay, I'm a superhero!

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2012 3:37 pm**

If that's the case, then does wearing spandex make you feel sexier?

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