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I believe that marriage is the sacred union between a man and a woman.

- President Barack Hussein Obama





Unlike in Massachussettes, Romney's home state, where gay marriage IS allowed!

Same-sex marriage in the U.S. state of Massachusetts began on May 17, 2004

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... sachusetts

Why is Obama Homophobic?

Wow this is funny. I wonder if all the right-wing weirdos like you & night strike will suddenly jump ship and become gay rights advocates now that Obama is against them.

I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

natty dread wrote:I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

No.

Phatscotty wrote:

I believe that marriage is the sacred union between a man and a woman.

- President Barack Hussein Obama





Unlike in Massachussettes, Romney's home state, where gay marriage IS allowed!

Same-sex marriage in the U.S. state of Massachusetts began on May 17, 2004

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... sachusetts

Why is Obama Homophobic?

Probably because he is a good Christian.

Hmm 4 year old video about Obama's personal opinion on gay marriage which isn't really reflected by his policies.

He's religious and this has caused him to hold a less than ideal view, yet he has not issued any condemnation of homosexuality and in fact supports civil unions.

Less than ideal but not exactly homophobic.

Obama doesn't have any beliefs one way or the other about gay marriage or any other issue. In 2008 he and Biden denounced gay marriage. Now Biden says he's for gay marriage and Obama is "evolving." Gays are props and the issue of gay marriage is theater. They're leaving all their doors open so that - if the polls tighten in October and he needs to mobilize gay voters he can drop this into the ring. If not, then nothing lost. His actual interest in seeing Barry and Larry honeymoon in Niagara is zilch.

This is pretty much an university case study of someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder: people are things you use to get what you want, they're machines that react differently to different sets of input you provide. If you need them to do something different, you just provide different input. Autonomy, personality, emotion or ethics aren't factors in this equation.

All the same applies to Romney, too.

Yeah, I've come to realize that Obama is just another Republican that likes to (sometimes) pretend he's progressive when he's campaigning.

This isn't new news.

Frigidus wrote:Yeah, I've come to realize that Obama is just another Republican that likes to (sometimes) pretend he's progressive when he's campaigning.

Thanks for being honest. Others still maintain that the president is a progressive savior (ahem, pimpdave).

Frigidus wrote:pretend he's progressive when he's campaigning.

"Progressive," now there's an interesting word when it comes to Washington politics. Much like the "L" word... it doesn't really mean a lot politically, since there are few policies or actions on the National front it can actually describe. Both are basically the declared buzz words of conservatives that mean nothing but they aren't one of "us."

Using the word Sacred to describe marriage in America is also a curious thing, since most of these sacred unions in the US end in divorce. I'm sure people enter that status with the very best of intentions, yet it seems to fall under the category of "Do as I say, not as I do."

If anyone truly believes that marriage is "the" sacred union between a man and a woman?
It doesn't make them homophobic.

thegreekdog wrote:

Frigidus wrote:Yeah, I've come to realize that Obama is just another Republican that likes to (sometimes) pretend he's progressive when he's campaigning.

Thanks for being honest. Others still maintain that the president is a progressive savior (ahem, pimpdave).

Barack Obama is the greatest President in the history of America and one of the greatest human beings in the history of the world.

oVo wrote:

Frigidus wrote:pretend he's progressive when he's campaigning.

"Progressive," now there's an interesting word when it comes to Washington politics. Much like the "L" word... it doesn't really mean a lot politically, since there are few policies or actions on the National front it can actually describe. Both are basically the declared buzz words of conservatives that mean nothing but they aren't one of "us."

There are no lesbians in us politics?

If anyone truly believes that marriage is "the" sacred union between a man and a woman?
It doesn't make them homophobic.

It kind of does.

Did yall watch the video? As a Christian Obama believes that marriage is a union with the power of god between man and woman. As a politician, he believes that he cannot take away from civil liberties and that each state has a right to allow same sex marriage or civil union. No where does he say it is wrong.

natty dread wrote:Wow this is funny. I wonder if all the right-wing weirdos like you & night strike will suddenly jump ship and become gay rights advocates now that Obama is against them.

I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

nope... anything hypocritical Obama does, we comment on while maintaining our views. I personally have no views on the legality of gay marriage, although i didn't under Bush, and haven't at any time under Obama.

vodean wrote:

natty dread wrote:Wow this is funny. I wonder if all the right-wing weirdos like you & night strike will suddenly jump ship and become gay rights advocates now that Obama is against them.

I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

nope... anything hypocritical Obama does, we comment on while maintaining our views. I personally have no views on the legality of gay marriage, although i didn't under Bush, and haven't at any time under Obama.

Obama isn't against them. Watch video and don't let PS trick you.

I agree with Obama

Nola_Lifer wrote:

vodean wrote:

natty dread wrote:Wow this is funny. I wonder if all the right-wing weirdos like you & night strike will suddenly jump ship and become gay rights advocates now that Obama is against them.

I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

nope... anything hypocritical Obama does, we comment on while maintaining our views. I personally have no views on the legality of gay marriage, although i didn't under Bush, and haven't at any time under Obama.

Obama isn't against them. Watch video and don't let PS trick you.

he is by religion, but pretends not to be for political reasons... its funny how hes muslim by birth

saxitoxin wrote:Obama doesn't have any beliefs one way or the other about gay marriage or any other issue. In 2008 he and Biden denounced gay marriage. Now Biden says he's for gay marriage and Obama is "evolving." Gays are props and the issue of gay marriage is theater. They're leaving all their doors open so that - if the polls tighten in October and he needs to mobilize gay voters he can drop this into the ring. If not, then nothing lost. His actual interest in seeing Barry and Larry honeymoon in Niagara is zilch.

This is pretty much an university case study of someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder: people are things you use to get what you want, they're machines that react differently to different sets of input you provide. If you need them to do something different, you just provide different input. Autonomy, personality, emotion or ethics aren't factors in this equation.

All the same applies to Romney any person capable of being a career politician, too.

FTFY

vodean wrote:

Nola_Lifer wrote:

vodean wrote:

natty dread wrote:Wow this is funny. I wonder if all the right-wing weirdos like you & night strike will suddenly jump ship and become gay rights advocates now that Obama is against them.

I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

nope... anything hypocritical Obama does, we comment on while maintaining our views. I personally have no views on the legality of gay marriage, although i didn't under Bush, and haven't at any time under Obama.

Obama isn't against them. Watch video and don't let PS trick you.

he is by religion, but pretends not to be for political reasons... its funny how hes muslim by birth

Why can't you have religious beliefs without wanting them to be involved in your political affairs. Do I think abortion is wrong? Yes. Do I think that Government policies should not allow abortion? No. See the difference there?

Nola_Lifer wrote:

vodean wrote:

Nola_Lifer wrote:

vodean wrote:

natty dread wrote:Wow this is funny. I wonder if all the right-wing weirdos like you & night strike will suddenly jump ship and become gay rights advocates now that Obama is against them.

I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

nope... anything hypocritical Obama does, we comment on while maintaining our views. I personally have no views on the legality of gay marriage, although i didn't under Bush, and haven't at any time under Obama.

Obama isn't against them. Watch video and don't let PS trick you.

he is by religion, but pretends not to be for political reasons... its funny how hes muslim by birth

Why can't you have religious beliefs without wanting them to be involved in your political affairs. Do I think abortion is wrong? Yes. Do I think that Government policies should not allow abortion? No. See the difference there?

let us then just agree that less government is usually better.

Baron Von PWN wrote:Hmm 4 year old video about Obama's personal opinion on gay marriage which isn't really reflected by his policies.

He's religious and this has caused him to hold a less than ideal view, yet he has not issued any condemnation of homosexuality and in fact supports civil unions.

Less than ideal but not exactly homophobic.

wait wait wait now. In another recent thread, a few people (not you) said that if you are against gay marriage, you are homophobic. Or do we (not you) just change the rules because he is a liberal...

Obama is too scared to even make a comment on it.

Nola_Lifer wrote:

vodean wrote:

natty dread wrote:Wow this is funny. I wonder if all the right-wing weirdos like you & night strike will suddenly jump ship and become gay rights advocates now that Obama is against them.

I mean, that's how it works, right? Anything Obama does, you guys do backwards, right?

nope... anything hypocritical Obama does, we comment on while maintaining our views. I personally have no views on the legality of gay marriage, although i didn't under Bush, and haven't at any time under Obama.

Obama isn't against them. Watch video and don't let PS trick you.

It's not a trick. It only seems that way if you view this issue as a "ban on gay marriage" rather than a "definition of marriage as between one man and one woman".

To say Obama wasn't against it is a trick from Obama. I think Saxi mentioned it earlier, it's just a way to keep the back door open, otherwise known as CYA. People do this when they are lying, which is all you need to know it's an Obama trick.

Obama knows if he supports gay marriage, he loses. What he also know is that in this current politico-socio-economic environment, he does not want to talk about crappy job reports and back-to-back-to-back trillion dollar deficits. Gay marriage is a social issue, social issues are wedge issues. Expect a lot of social issue attacks, all in a time of national credit downgrades and into the precipice of the debt bubble explosion and credit crunch sandwich.

The economy, jobs, and debt are the main issues to American voters, by a mile. by 100 miles.

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:Hmm 4 year old video about Obama's personal opinion on gay marriage which isn't really reflected by his policies.

He's religious and this has caused him to hold a less than ideal view, yet he has not issued any condemnation of homosexuality and in fact supports civil unions.

Less than ideal but not exactly homophobic.

wait wait wait now. In another recent thread, a few people (not you) said that if you are against gay marriage, you are homophobic. Or do we (not you) just change the rules because he is a liberal...

Obama is too scared to even make a comment on it.

What Obama did was make the most inoffensive comment he possibly could on the issue. He said he personally doesn't believe in gay marriage as a christian. That he thought states should support civil unions. Essentially all the same privileges as straight couples without "violating" the name of marriage. Its not the best but palatable to most liberals. While being relatively inoffensive to most Christians.

It's basically him saying he won't do shit about it but he won't get in the way either. He knows the liberal voters aren't going to vote republican. So he has to appeal to more right wing Americans while being as inoffensive to hist base as possible.

BVP wins 3 cookies.

Baron Von PWN wrote:the liberal voters aren't going to vote republican.

I'd consider it if they had put up someone with integrity.