Conquer Club

Scenario:

You sleep with a woman and, because you have incredible sperm, she gets pregnant. You tell her that you have absolutely no desire for a child, are unable to offer support and that if she has it she is having it alone.

She chooses to have the baby.

Is it fair for her to blame you for not being involved in 'your' child's life? Bearing in mind that she knew from the outset that you didn't want a child.

Yes.

huamulan wrote:Scenario:

You sleep with a woman and, because you have incredible sperm, she gets pregnant. You tell her that you have absolutely no desire for a child, are unable to offer support and that if she has it she is having it alone.

She chooses to have the baby.

Is it fair for her to blame you for not being involved in 'your' child's life? Bearing in mind that she knew from the outset that you didn't want a child.

TGD is a lawyer of some type if you're trying to get a referral. I don't know if he does child support cases but it's worth asking.

'Yes.'

Well justified. You have clearly debated before.

If you and her wanted sex but you didn't want a child is it fair of her to say "no"?

huamulan wrote:Scenario:
You sleep with a woman and, because you have incredible sperm, she gets pregnant. You tell her that you have absolutely no desire for a child, are unable to offer support and that if she has it she is having it alone.
She chooses to have the baby.
Is it fair for her to blame you for not being involved in 'your' child's life? Bearing in mind that she knew from the outset that you didn't want a child.

I believe so, yes. In my view, it would be different if the guy had advised her of that position BEFORE having sex, but telling her that after the act is...well...a bit late in the game, as they say. To me, that's just the guy trying to get out of it.

There's also the argument (not one that I would make, but I recognize that it has some validity) that the guy IS just as responsible for creating the child as the woman, and so should uphold his responsibility.

huamulan wrote:Scenario:

You sleep with a woman and, because you have incredible sperm, she gets pregnant. You tell her that you have absolutely no desire for a child, are unable to offer support and that if she has it she is having it alone.

She chooses to have the baby.

Is it fair for her to blame you for not being involved in 'your' child's life? Bearing in mind that she knew from the outset that you didn't want a child.

Your scenario states that you tell her AFTER you have sex that you do not want to get involved. So she did not know from the outset that you didn't want a child as you claim.

So while you don't need to necessarily be "involved" in your child's life, you are 100% still responsible for support.

huamulan wrote:Scenario:

You sleep with a woman and, because you have incredible sperm, she gets pregnant. You tell her that you have absolutely no desire for a child, are unable to offer support and that if she has it she is having it alone.

She chooses to have the baby.

Is it fair for her to blame you for not being involved in 'your' child's life? Bearing in mind that she knew from the outset that you didn't want a child.

i'm not sure that she knew "at the outset" that you didn't want a child.

if you only told her that after you had sex, then you are partially responsible for the child.

if you told her that before you had sex, and she still went through with it (knowing there was a chance that she would get pregnant), then you shouldn't be responsible for the child.

edit: bones and woody basically said most of what i just typed... i am too slow lol

huamulan wrote:Scenario:

You sleep with a woman and, because you have incredible sperm, she gets pregnant. You tell her that you have absolutely no desire for a child, are unable to offer support and that if she has it she is having it alone.

She chooses to have the baby.

Is it fair for her to blame you for not being involved in 'your' child's life? Bearing in mind that she knew from the outset that you didn't want a child.

I'd recommend you to use the back door.

Yes, he does. If he didn't want to have a child, there is protection that is widely sold. End of story.

It is also perfectly legitimate to argue that he did not know before the sex that she would be crazy and want a baby with a man she is not in a relationship with. Maybe she should have informed him of her strong maternal instincts.

huamulan wrote:It is also perfectly legitimate to argue that he did not know before the sex that she would be crazy and want a baby with a man she is not in a relationship with. Maybe she should have informed him of her strong maternal instincts.

I don't know how common they are, but I've heard stories about groups of girls making pregnancy pacts with each other. I wonder how many of the guys involved in that know about it (and know what the ramifications actually are).

huamulan wrote:It is also perfectly legitimate to argue that he did not know before the sex that she would be crazy and want a baby with a man she is not in a relationship with. Maybe she should have informed him of her strong maternal instincts.

While I don't disagree with you, I don't think that's a full picture. The responsibility is still there, regardless.

if you engage in an act that's primary goal is to create offspring, and you create a child, it is your responsibility.

Easily Yes.

If you say: I didnt want a baby, she should have got an abortion if she didnt want to support the child herself

Then I say: You should have bagged it up/not stuck it in in the first place.

If I drive my car at double the speed limit, but have a sign on the window saying I don't want a speeding ticket, does a cop have any right to fine me for speeding?

ITT: women are reduced to bitchy, helpless, semen receptacles.

I'm going to put on my tgd pretentious/natty holier than thou face and note that every single post in this thread is ridiculous.

huamulan wrote:It is also perfectly legitimate to argue that he did not know before the sex that she would be crazy and want a baby with a man she is not in a relationship with. Maybe she should have informed him of her strong maternal instincts.

yes it's crazy to HAVE SEX in order to HAVE A BABY

if your post means what i think it means, then you are an indicator of how fucked up our society is. yes, you.

Neoteny wrote:ITT: women are reduced to bitchy, helpless, semen receptacles.

I'm going to put on my tgd pretentious/natty holier than thou face and note that every single post in this thread is ridiculous.

examples?

huamulan wrote:It is also perfectly legitimate to argue that he did not know before the sex that she would be crazy and want a baby with a man she is not in a relationship with. Maybe she should have informed him of her strong maternal instincts.

Wait, are you saying...

He thought he was having sex with a male but then somehow had vaginal intercourse and knocked him up?
Or that he was having sex with a woman who by virtue of being a woman wants children and he found that out by knocking her up?

Neoteny wrote:ITT: women are reduced to bitchy, helpless, semen receptacles.

I'm going to put on my tgd pretentious/natty holier than thou face and note that every single post in this thread is ridiculous.

>implying that women are something other than bitchy, helpless, semen receptacles

greenoaks wrote:if you engage in an act that's primary goal is to create offspring, and you create a child, it is your responsibility.

When I have sex, the primary goal sure as f*ck is not to make a babby.

I f*ck just for fucks sake.

f*ck fucks fucking fuckadiddledoo

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Bones2484 wrote:

huamulan wrote:Scenario:

You sleep with a woman and, because you have incredible sperm, she gets pregnant. You tell her that you have absolutely no desire for a child, are unable to offer support and that if she has it she is having it alone.

She chooses to have the baby.

Is it fair for her to blame you for not being involved in 'your' child's life? Bearing in mind that she knew from the outset that you didn't want a child.

Your scenario states that you tell her AFTER you have sex that you do not want to get involved. So she did [u]not know from the outset that you didn't want a child as you claim.[/u]

So while you don't need to necessarily be "involved" in your child's life, you are 100% still responsible for support.

This.

Before engaging in a voluntary exchange, it helps to know the expectations of the other party before agreeing to said exchange.

If important concerns weren't discussed earlier, then the blame lies with both parties.

BigBallinStalin wrote:This.

Before engaging in a voluntary exchange, it helps to know the expectations of the other party before agreeing to said exchange.

If important concerns weren't discussed earlier, then the blame lies with both parties.

this guy.

even sex is economics to him.

Or is economics sex to me?


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