Conquer Club

Woodruff wrote:The potential scope of this problem is very serious:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/worst-tb-outbreakin-20-years-kept-secret/nPpLs/

Tuberculosis is a lung disease more associated with the 18th century than the 21st, referred to as “consumption” in Dickensian times because its victims would grow gaunt and wan as their lungs disintigrated and they slowly died. The CDC investigator described a similar fate for 10 of the 13 people who died in Jacksonville.

Symmetry wrote:

Woodruff wrote:The potential scope of this problem is very serious:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/worst-tb-outbreakin-20-years-kept-secret/nPpLs/

Tuberculosis is a lung disease more associated with the 18th century than the 21st, referred to as “consumption” in Dickensian times because its victims would grow gaunt and wan as their lungs disintigrated and they slowly died. The CDC investigator described a similar fate for 10 of the 13 people who died in Jacksonville.

FFS, this can be vaccinated against.

Phatscotty wrote:A lot of this is coming from Mexico, and don't forget there were a few outbreaks during Occupy Wall Street. Anyone remember "Zuccotti Lung"?

LMFAO

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:A lot of this is coming from Mexico, and don't forget there were a few outbreaks during Occupy Wall Street. Anyone remember "Zuccotti Lung"?

LMFAO

In Florida?

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

yes, in the developing world and in countries with high rates of infection

saxitoxin wrote:Medical science has not yet diagnosed "being Mexican" as a cause of tuberculosis. In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland, as this chart shows:

In an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., Dr. Reuben Granich, a lead investigator for the Centers for Disase Control and Preention, reports the emergence in the U.S. of a particularly virulent, multi-drug -resistant form of tuberculosis known as MDR-TB.

“Evidence of it has surfaced in 38 of 61 California health jurisdictions, and it could ‘threaten the efficacy of TB control efforts,’ Granich said. The infected were said to be four times as likely to die from the disease and twice as likely to transmit the disease to others.

“Reluctant to label the infected as ‘illegal’ or even ‘undocumented’ aliens, the report notes that of the 407 known cases of MDR-TB, 84% were ‘foreign-born’ patients, mainly from Mexico and the Philippines who’d been in the U.S. less than five years. The percentage of TB cases among the ‘foreign-born’ jumped from 29% in 1993 to 53% as of last year.

Symmetry wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

yes, in the developing world and in countries with high rates of infection

What worries you about vaccinating against TB? You've never struck me as one of the anti-vaccination crowd before. If it's a problem in the US as big as the countries you identify as being in the developing world, correctly or incorrectly, and you support vaccination in those countries, I'm at a bit of a loss to understand your issue.

- There is a reason to vaccinate in the UK. There is not a reason to vaccinate in the U.S. and the Netherlands; ergo, they don't.

- There is a reason for Guatemalans to receive the malaria vaccine. There is not a reason for Welshmen to receive the malaria vaccine; ergo, they don't.

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

yes, in the developing world and in countries with high rates of infection

What worries you about vaccinating against TB? You've never struck me as one of the anti-vaccination crowd before. If it's a problem in the US as big as the countries you identify as being in the developing world, correctly or incorrectly, and you support vaccination in those countries, I'm at a bit of a loss to understand your issue.

Medical consensus is that routine vaccination should not occur in the absence of risk. The rate of TB infection in the UK is nearly 400% that of the U.S. and the Netherlands.

- There is a reason to vaccinate in the UK. There is not a reason to vaccinate in the U.S. and the Netherlands; ergo, they don't.

- There is a reason for Guatemalans to receive the malaria vaccine. There is not a reason for Welshmen to receive the malaria vaccine; ergo, they don't.

Let me know if you have any additional questions or are seeking further learning opportunities!

Phatscotty wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:Medical science has not yet diagnosed "being Mexican" as a cause of tuberculosis. In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland, as this chart shows:

See Friday’s (June 24, 2005) Investor’s Business Daily editorial...

In an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., Dr. Reuben Granich, a lead investigator for the Centers for Disase Control and Preention, reports the emergence in the U.S. of a particularly virulent, multi-drug -resistant form of tuberculosis known as MDR-TB.

“Evidence of it has surfaced in 38 of 61 California health jurisdictions, and it could ‘threaten the efficacy of TB control efforts,’ Granich said. The infected were said to be four times as likely to die from the disease and twice as likely to transmit the disease to others.

“Reluctant to label the infected as ‘illegal’ or even ‘undocumented’ aliens, the report notes that of the 407 known cases of MDR-TB, 84% were ‘foreign-born’ patients, mainly from Mexico and the Philippines who’d been in the U.S. less than five years. The percentage of TB cases among the ‘foreign-born’ jumped from 29% in 1993 to 53% as of last year.

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

yes, in the developing world and in countries with high rates of infection

What worries you about vaccinating against TB? You've never struck me as one of the anti-vaccination crowd before. If it's a problem in the US as big as the countries you identify as being in the developing world, correctly or incorrectly, and you support vaccination in those countries, I'm at a bit of a loss to understand your issue.

Medical consensus is that routine vaccination should not occur in the absence of risk. The rate of TB infection in the UK is nearly 400% that of the U.S. and the Netherlands.

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:Medical science has not yet diagnosed "being Mexican" as a cause of tuberculosis. In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland, as this chart shows:

See Friday’s (June 24, 2005) Investor’s Business Daily editorial...

In an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., Dr. Reuben Granich, a lead investigator for the Centers for Disase Control and Preention, reports the emergence in the U.S. of a particularly virulent, multi-drug -resistant form of tuberculosis known as MDR-TB.

“Evidence of it has surfaced in 38 of 61 California health jurisdictions, and it could ‘threaten the efficacy of TB control efforts,’ Granich said. The infected were said to be four times as likely to die from the disease and twice as likely to transmit the disease to others.

“Reluctant to label the infected as ‘illegal’ or even ‘undocumented’ aliens, the report notes that of the 407 known cases of MDR-TB, 84% were ‘foreign-born’ patients, mainly from Mexico and the Philippines who’d been in the U.S. less than five years. The percentage of TB cases among the ‘foreign-born’ jumped from 29% in 1993 to 53% as of last year.

May I ask you a question Scotty?

If there was a policy where doctors were allowed to provide TB vaccines, no questions asked about immigration, would you support that policy?

It would do a lot to stop the spread of TB, and cost little, but you'd have to sacrifice some of your ideology to save lives.

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:Medical science has not yet diagnosed "being Mexican" as a cause of tuberculosis. In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland, as this chart shows:

See Friday’s (June 24, 2005) Investor’s Business Daily editorial...

In an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., Dr. Reuben Granich, a lead investigator for the Centers for Disase Control and Preention, reports the emergence in the U.S. of a particularly virulent, multi-drug -resistant form of tuberculosis known as MDR-TB.

“Evidence of it has surfaced in 38 of 61 California health jurisdictions, and it could ‘threaten the efficacy of TB control efforts,’ Granich said. The infected were said to be four times as likely to die from the disease and twice as likely to transmit the disease to others.

“Reluctant to label the infected as ‘illegal’ or even ‘undocumented’ aliens, the report notes that of the 407 known cases of MDR-TB, 84% were ‘foreign-born’ patients, mainly from Mexico and the Philippines who’d been in the U.S. less than five years. The percentage of TB cases among the ‘foreign-born’ jumped from 29% in 1993 to 53% as of last year.

May I ask you a question Scotty?

If there was a policy where doctors were allowed to provide TB vaccines, no questions asked about immigration, would you support that policy?

It would do a lot to stop the spread of TB, and cost little, but you'd have to sacrifice some of your ideology to save lives.

The immigration as I pointed out to only identifies the country of origin as one of the main sources. I don't understand your question though. It seems to imply that there is not policy that allows doctors to provide a TB vaccine. I don't know why a doctor would ask a patient seeking a TB vaccine if they are an immigrant or not, nor do I imagine I would have a say. If you want to reword that another way I will give it another shot, but for right now all I can say is that if you need a TB vaccine, then go and get one.

Phatscotty wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:Medical science has not yet diagnosed "being Mexican" as a cause of tuberculosis. In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland, as this chart shows:

Being Mexican is not the cause of tubersulosis, but Mexico is where the great majority of the TB cases in the USA are coming from.

See Friday’s

Phatscotty wrote:(June 24, 2005) Investor’s Business Daily editorial...

saxitoxin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:Medical science has not yet diagnosed "being Mexican" as a cause of tuberculosis. In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland, as this chart shows:

Being Mexican is not the cause of tubersulosis, but Mexico is where the great majority of the TB cases in the USA are coming from.

See Friday’s

Last Friday's IBD?

Phatscotty wrote:(June 24, 2005) Investor’s Business Daily editorial...

oh, 7 years ago, Friday - I think I still have that issue by the bed-stand ... oh wait, no, Es is telling me she threw it out in 2010

Symmetry wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

yes, in the developing world and in countries with high rates of infection

What worries you about vaccinating against TB? You've never struck me as one of the anti-vaccination crowd before. If it's a problem in the US as big as the countries you identify as being in the developing world, correctly or incorrectly, and you support vaccination in those countries, I'm at a bit of a loss to understand your issue.

Medical consensus is that routine vaccination should not occur in the absence of risk. The rate of TB infection in the UK is nearly 400% that of the U.S. and the Netherlands.

Your previous chart says otherwise, so what worries you about the TB vaccine?

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:Medical science has not yet diagnosed "being Mexican" as a cause of tuberculosis. In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland, as this chart shows:

See Friday’s (June 24, 2005) Investor’s Business Daily editorial...

In an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., Dr. Reuben Granich, a lead investigator for the Centers for Disase Control and Preention, reports the emergence in the U.S. of a particularly virulent, multi-drug -resistant form of tuberculosis known as MDR-TB.

“Evidence of it has surfaced in 38 of 61 California health jurisdictions, and it could ‘threaten the efficacy of TB control efforts,’ Granich said. The infected were said to be four times as likely to die from the disease and twice as likely to transmit the disease to others.

“Reluctant to label the infected as ‘illegal’ or even ‘undocumented’ aliens, the report notes that of the 407 known cases of MDR-TB, 84% were ‘foreign-born’ patients, mainly from Mexico and the Philippines who’d been in the U.S. less than five years. The percentage of TB cases among the ‘foreign-born’ jumped from 29% in 1993 to 53% as of last year.

May I ask you a question Scotty?

If there was a policy where doctors were allowed to provide TB vaccines, no questions asked about immigration, would you support that policy?

It would do a lot to stop the spread of TB, and cost little, but you'd have to sacrifice some of your ideology to save lives.

The immigration as I pointed out to only identifies the country of origin as one of the main sources. I don't understand your question though. It seems to imply that there is not policy that allows doctors to provide a TB vaccine. I don't know why a doctor would ask a patient seeking a TB vaccine if they are an immigrant or not, nor do I imagine I would have a say. If you want to reword that another way I will give it another shot, but for right now all I can say is that if you need a TB vaccine, then go and get one.

Cool- I'm all for free vaccinations too. A sensible healthcare policy, regardless of political hand-wringing over immigration status.

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Seems like vaccination is the way forward.

yes, in the developing world and in countries with high rates of infection

What worries you about vaccinating against TB? You've never struck me as one of the anti-vaccination crowd before. If it's a problem in the US as big as the countries you identify as being in the developing world, correctly or incorrectly, and you support vaccination in those countries, I'm at a bit of a loss to understand your issue.

Medical consensus is that routine vaccination should not occur in the absence of risk. The rate of TB infection in the UK is nearly 400% that of the U.S. and the Netherlands.

Your previous chart says otherwise, so what worries you about the TB vaccine?

saxitoxin wrote:This should only be used in developing countries like East Timor, Sri Lanka, Ukraine, UK, etc., where potential risks

outweigh possible harms.

saxitoxin wrote:In fact, the rate of TB infection in Mexico is - while slightly worse than the U.S. - roughly on-par with white developing nations like the UK and Poland

Symmetry wrote:So again, if the US problem is only slightly worse than that of the UK, and you consider vaccination to be too risky for the US, I can only ask again, why?

I did not say the US problem was "slightly worse than that of the UK" - I said the UK problem was nearly 400% worse than that of the U.S.