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Unsurprising this one. Looks like the internal investigation cleared him, but they fired him any way. Pretty neat solution.

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Anyone who blocks commerce deserves nothing less than to be pepper sprayed. These children desired to be a nuisance, then bitched when steps were taken to remove the nuisance.

IA: "Well, we've cleared him of any wrongdoing."

Head: "I don't care, I agree with the protesters! FIRE HIM!"

Symmetry wrote:the internal investigation cleared him, but they fired him any way

I wonder how much The Regents of the University of California will have to pay-out in the forthcoming wrongful dismissal suit from the Teamsters Union; sounds like Pike pepper-sprayed his way to an early retirement at a beach house in Coronado.

It's a win for everyone - protesters get an archetype fired; Pike gets a million-dollar payday; people of California get ... oh, maybe not everyone.

Purely political firing from the sounds of it. Not surprising.

You know, if those "students" are so upset about high tuition, maybe they should actually go to the classes they're paying for or withdraw from the school.

Night Strike wrote:Purely political firing from the sounds of it. Not surprising.

You know, if those "students" are so upset about high tuition, maybe they should actually go to the classes they're paying for or withdraw from the school.

Hmm, I'd say the clearing was purely political, and that they fired him because he was a liability and couldn't be trusted to do his job. After all, this looks very much like they want to say he did nothing wrong, but don't want him around anymore for reasons they don't care to explain.

Night Strike wrote:Purely political firing from the sounds of it. Not surprising.

You know, if those "students" are so upset about high tuition, maybe they should actually go to the classes they're paying for or withdraw from the school.

This is the same logic that tells people if they're so upset about low wages, they should actually go to work instead of protesting those wages or quit. As if those are the only two choices that make sense.

Symmetry wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Purely political firing from the sounds of it. Not surprising.

You know, if those "students" are so upset about high tuition, maybe they should actually go to the classes they're paying for or withdraw from the school.

Hmm, I'd say the clearing was purely political, and that they fired him because he was a liability and couldn't be trusted to do his job. After all, this looks very much like they want to say he did nothing wrong, but don't want him around anymore for reasons they don't care to explain.

I must admit the decision "clearing" really surprises me, given the video shown (which wasn't exactly just a snippet).

Woodruff wrote:

Night Strike wrote:Purely political firing from the sounds of it. Not surprising.

You know, if those "students" are so upset about high tuition, maybe they should actually go to the classes they're paying for or withdraw from the school.

This is the same logic that tells people if they're so upset about low wages, they should actually go to work instead of protesting those wages or quit. As if those are the only two choices that make sense.

If someone is upset about low wages they should seek education and training so they can acquire a more technically demanding and higher paying position.

A student at a university is aspiring to become a member of the educated class, also known as the nobility. In accordance with noblesse oblige, if they are to call themselves a noble, they are responsible to act nobly.

No amount of money will prevent me from entering the educated class, and if tuition is too high based on your projected earnings then you're not the type of person who should be in college.

This does raise an interesting question, though. According to the story, Pike was instructed by his superior to (a) open the sidewalk to traffic, (b) use "minimum" force to accomplish 'A'.

How would the participants in this thread categorize the force available to police from maximum to minimum? In my uneducated opinion, I would, thusly -

1. Firearm - Live Ammunition
2. Baton
3. Firearm - Rubber Bullets
4. Striking with Closed Fist
5. TAZER
6. Pepper Spray
7. Slapping / Shoving

Do you agree or disagree with my ranking? Should Pike have tried to slap at the protesters before using pepper spray? (Are police allowed to slap people?)

Jeez Saxi, all War and no Love. My minimum force would be:

1) Ruffie them up, drag em off and shag their socks off
2) Repeat the phrase GO-ORN, GO-ORN, until their will breaks and they slink off into the bushes with you (socks removed en route - pun intended)
3) Get em drunk and shag their socks off
4) Take em to a b grade porno and play the ole yawn trick (and shag their socks off)
5) Take em out for taco bell and a non-porn movies, cap yourself at first base (second date: shag their socks off)
6) Take them out for a fancy pants meal, romantic walk along the beach/pier/river afterwards; pop back to yours for a night cap which actually only involves a bottle of XO and a peck on the cheek afterwards; sock removal to be arranged at a later date.
7) Get to know them, become friends, take it nice and slow, buy them chocolates, discuss cloud shapes, hold hands, get married, have 2.7 children and then have a messy divorce; all the time leaving socks on.

Lootifer wrote:Jeez Saxi, all War and no Love. My minimum force would be:

1) Ruffie them up, drag em off and shag their socks off
2) Repeat the phrase GO-ORN, GO-ORN, until their will breaks and they slink off into the bushes with you (socks removed en route - pun intended)
3) Get em drunk and shag their socks off
4) Take em to a b grade porno and play the ole yawn trick (and shag their socks off)
5) Take em out for taco bell and a non-porn movies, cap yourself at first base (second date: shag their socks off)
6) Take them out for a fancy pants meal, romantic walk along the beach/pier/river afterwards; pop back to yours for a night cap with actually only involves a bottle of XO and a peck on the cheek afterwards; sock removal to be arranged at a later date.
7) Get to know them, become friends, take it nice and slow, buy them chocolates, discuss cloud shapes, hold hands, get married, have 2.7 children and then have a messy divorce; all the time leaving socks on.

GO-ORN, GO-ORN

(I'm in Room 1322 at the Park Hyatt. Door's unlocked.)

I dont think you have the requisite scottish accent to pull it off.

my minimal violence is shoving a nightstick up someone's butt

saxitoxin wrote:This does raise an interesting question, though. According to the story, Pike was instructed by his superior to (a) open the sidewalk to traffic, (b) use "minimum" force to accomplish 'A'.

How would the participants in this thread categorize the force available to police from maximum to minimum? In my uneducated opinion, I would, thusly -

1. Firearm - Live Ammunition
2. Baton
3. Firearm - Rubber Bullets
4. Striking with Closed Fist
5. TAZER
6. Pepper Spray
7. Slapping / Shoving

Do you agree or disagree with my ranking? Should Pike have tried to slap at the protesters before using pepper spray? (Are police allowed to slap people?)

I think you're missing "arrest them". That happens at peaceable "blockades", and the protestors should expect that it will.

Woodruff wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:This does raise an interesting question, though. According to the story, Pike was instructed by his superior to (a) open the sidewalk to traffic, (b) use "minimum" force to accomplish 'A'.

How would the participants in this thread categorize the force available to police from maximum to minimum? In my uneducated opinion, I would, thusly -

1. Firearm - Live Ammunition
2. Baton
3. Firearm - Rubber Bullets
4. Striking with Closed Fist
5. TAZER
6. Pepper Spray
7. Slapping / Shoving

Do you agree or disagree with my ranking? Should Pike have tried to slap at the protesters before using pepper spray? (Are police allowed to slap people?)

I think you're missing "arrest them". That happens at peaceable "blockades", and the protestors should expect that it will.

My understanding is that 10 protesters had already been arrested by 10 police and an additional 150 protesters had surrounded the police and were blocking the route to jail. So, I think, Woodruff's position is that Pike should have instructed each policeman to handcuff 15 additional protesters (10x15=150). For brevity, we'll call this "the Batman strategy" (as it's one often seen by corpulent Americans in their Hollywood action cinema).

Woodruff, you didn't place the Batman Strategy in a numbered chart relative to other types of force. Woodruff, could I please get you to do that as the discussion question was framed? Thank you, Woodruff!

A year suspension WITH pay before getting fired. That sure showed him.

After reading pages 11-25 of the report - http://www.scribd.com/doc/88919419/UC-D ... ray-Report - I think the Chancellor should have been fired.

My issue with Pike being fired has less to do with Pike himself, and more to do with the fact there's now a precedent to encourage police to simply overrule Chancellors and Mayors in the future. (The police told the Chancellor her directions to remove the protesters was a bad idea but she told them to do it anyway.)

I have an issue with the US bombing villagers in Pakistan, but I think Obama should be fired, rather than the pilots. If you fire a pilot each time the president orders an elementary school blasted to smithereens, eventually the pilots will start overruling the president's orders, which is also known as a military coup and usually ends up with the production of numerous cheesy right-wing songs by Spanish pop singers.

GreecePwns wrote:A year suspension WITH pay before getting fired. That sure showed him.

Maybe he'll think twice next time...