Conquer Club

Maugena wrote:The question is this: Is there a finite origin to matter or is it infinitely, perpetually small? (Is there perpetually a lower level?)
It would make sense both ways.
On one hand, you'd think there needs to be a base for things to actually exist. Perhaps if it is perpetually small, it could be thought of as like a gateway to reality's equilibrium... like a state of duality. I don't know. (Everything and nothing?)
On the other hand, if there was a base level for matter, what would that be and why? Why would it be a specific level of matter?

Just pondering random shit....

nietzsche wrote:

Maugena wrote:The question is this: Is there a finite origin to matter or is it infinitely, perpetually small? (Is there perpetually a lower level?)
It would make sense both ways.
On one hand, you'd think there needs to be a base for things to actually exist. Perhaps if it is perpetually small, it could be thought of as like a gateway to reality's equilibrium... like a state of duality. I don't know. (Everything and nothing?)
On the other hand, if there was a base level for matter, what would that be and why? Why would it be a specific level of matter?

Just pondering random shit....

What makes you think our cognitive abilities are good enough to understand it? Maybe there's this cool channel of sensation where everything is expressed in a clear way, but we don't have access to it.

BigBallinStalin wrote:"if there was a base level for matter, what would that be and why?"

What do you mean by "base level of matter"?

From my little understanding of physics and astronomy, it seems that there is matter, and there is energy, and both are interchangeable. So, with that in mind, why would there be some base? Perhaps, at some level, the matter and energy is constantly in flux, or constantly inter-changing... i dunno lol

nietzsche wrote:Last time I heard from your teachers you are not majoring in anything.

Army of GOD wrote:I feel like we're only at the tip of the possibly (and in my mind, probably) infinite iceburg of particle physics. I think I remember hearing that string theorists think that strings are the "smallest form of matter" (or something like that) but obviously a part of me thinks that even if string theory ends up being well-excepted, it'd be naive to think it's the end-all-be-all.

Army of GOD wrote:What sucks ass for us non-scientists is that pretty much everything is incredibly hard to understand. Like, I remember my quantum professor talking about us discovering (or, theorizing, can't remember which) that there are up to 11 or more dimensions. And seriously, just think about it...11 dimensions doesn't even make sense to me. Not to mention thinks like anti-matter, dark matter and energy, wormholes, blackholes, multiverses, etc.

Army of GOD wrote:Then again, this is why I'm majoring in physics. Because regardless of how incomprehensible it all is, it's all really awesome.

Maugena wrote:Also, on a side note: There's this idea that black holes are singularities, right? I accepted that as truth up until recently. Quite honestly, though, I can't see any reason for that being true. Just because light doesn't escape it doesn't mean that it's infinitely small. It just means that the gravitational pull is fucking ridiculous. It more than likely has a surface. You just can't see it because light can't bounce off of it. When an object becomes more dense on like a planetary/moon type level, the center of the object pulls upon itself and the gravity and density of an object increase exponentially the further in you go. Matter will still push against itself despite any amount of gravity.

Woodruff wrote:

Maugena wrote:Also, on a side note: There's this idea that black holes are singularities, right? I accepted that as truth up until recently. Quite honestly, though, I can't see any reason for that being true. Just because light doesn't escape it doesn't mean that it's infinitely small. It just means that the gravitational pull is fucking ridiculous. It more than likely has a surface. You just can't see it because light can't bounce off of it. When an object becomes more dense on like a planetary/moon type level, the center of the object pulls upon itself and the gravity and density of an object increase exponentially the further in you go. Matter will still push against itself despite any amount of gravity.

Actually, you seemed to me to be arguing for exactly why it IS likely to be a singularity (other than the last sentence).

Maugena wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Maugena wrote:Also, on a side note: There's this idea that black holes are singularities, right? I accepted that as truth up until recently. Quite honestly, though, I can't see any reason for that being true. Just because light doesn't escape it doesn't mean that it's infinitely small. It just means that the gravitational pull is fucking ridiculous. It more than likely has a surface. You just can't see it because light can't bounce off of it. When an object becomes more dense on like a planetary/moon type level, the center of the object pulls upon itself and the gravity and density of an object increase exponentially the further in you go. Matter will still push against itself despite any amount of gravity.

Actually, you seemed to me to be arguing for exactly why it IS likely to be a singularity (other than the last sentence).

I'd say the singularity bit is like a theorist's 'wet-dream' scenario of the hypothetical. Do you get what I mean by that? I have those moments sometimes, myself. (For instance, the string theory's "walking through walls" tangent.)
A singularity is too specific to be entirely plausible.

Maugena wrote:The question is this: Is there a finite origin to matter or is it infinitely, perpetually small? (Is there perpetually a lower level?)
It would make sense both ways.
On one hand, you'd think there needs to be a base for things to actually exist. Perhaps if it is perpetually small, it could be thought of as like a gateway to reality's equilibrium... like a state of duality. I don't know. (Everything and nothing?)
On the other hand, if there was a base level for matter, what would that be and why? Why would it be a specific level of matter?

Just pondering random shit....

Maugena wrote:[
Also, on a side note: There's this idea that black holes are singularities, right? I accepted that as truth up until recently. Quite honestly, though, I can't see any reason for that being true. Just because light doesn't escape it doesn't mean that it's infinitely small. It just means that the gravitational pull is fucking ridiculous. It more than likely has a surface. You just can't see it because light can't bounce off of it. When an object becomes more dense on like a planetary/moon type level, the center of the object pulls upon itself and the gravity and density of an object increase exponentially the further in you go. Matter will still push against itself despite any amount of gravity. I forgot where I was going with this one, too. I should go to bed...

G'night, lawl.

Maugena wrote:The question is this: Is there a finite origin to matter or is it infinitely, perpetually small? (Is there perpetually a lower level?)
It would make sense both ways.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Yeah, had this discussion with one of the early quantum physicists a few decades ago. He was dating my roommate at the time and came in one day, very distraught, insisting that "reality does not exist". I looked at him and told him, no, reality is what does exist.. but it may not have the form you percieved before.

pmchugh wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Yeah, had this discussion with one of the early quantum physicists a few decades ago. He was dating my roommate at the time and came in one day, very distraught, insisting that "reality does not exist". I looked at him and told him, no, reality is what does exist.. but it may not have the form you percieved before.