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Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:15 pm
by PLAYER57832

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:21 pm
by Symmetry
Aye depressing stuff. It's gotten to the point where you can't say anything about these mass shootings without coming across politicising them though.

So nothing can be said, other than offering sympathy for the victims.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:23 pm
by PLAYER57832
I find it interesting that so few people even know what the religion is, yet still seem to feel free to condemn it.

And I think the intelligent people of our country, particularly those who are members of other churches, need to be sure to offer support.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:28 pm
by Neoteny
PLAYER57832 wrote:I find it interesting that so few people even know what the religion is, yet still seem to feel free to condemn it.

And I think the intelligent people of our country, particularly those who are members of other churches, need to be sure to offer support.


My first thought is why would anyone want to kill a Sikh? The most obvious answer is sadly that they confused the Sikhs for Muslims. My second thought was that I hoped the gunman was cut down by one of those wicked looking blades. Alas, just shot by the police.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:31 pm
by Symmetry
PLAYER57832 wrote:I find it interesting that so few people even know what the religion is, yet still seem to feel free to condemn it.

And I think the intelligent people of our country, particularly those who are members of other churches, need to be sure to offer support.


One of the finer points of the US, and I know I come across as a critic of American culture most of the time, is its sense of community, especially in times of tragedy. The UK has lost that spirit to a certain extent, but it's one of the greatest things about American culture.

From what I've read, a lot of people are sending in donations to the families of the victims.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:42 pm
by saxitoxin
Symmetry wrote:One of the finer points of the US, and I know I come across as a critic of American culture most of the time, is its sense of community, especially in times of tragedy.


LOL - where do you get that from?

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:02 pm
by Symmetry
saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:One of the finer points of the US, and I know I come across as a critic of American culture most of the time, is its sense of community, especially in times of tragedy.


LOL - where do you get that from?


Mainly from living in the US, as compared to living in the UK and Japan. I don't pretend to know many other countries well, but that was definitely one of the greatest things about American culture. Community is certainly something the US does well. Occasionally, sure, it pushes people out, but not so much in my experience.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:07 pm
by yang guize
fucking idiot. 'usa has so much community, no one else does'. you think if a lot of sikhs were shot in another country that no sympathy and help would be offered?

i think you would find that there are many countries, not just the usa, where people would be prepared to offer help to the victims of mindless brutality.

PLAYER57832 wrote:I find it interesting that so few people even know what the religion is, yet still seem to feel free to condemn it.


i don't think the sikh religion is why this man shot the people. from what i hear, he was an alcoholic loser who got thrown out of the army. he was just unable to accept that he was a loser and decided to blame someone else. he chose sikhs, he shot sikhs. this shooting is just a sign that the shooter is a loser, same as the batman shootings, same as any other mass killing. the target of the killing is arbitrary.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:08 pm
by saxitoxin
Symmetry wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:One of the finer points of the US, and I know I come across as a critic of American culture most of the time, is its sense of community, especially in times of tragedy.


LOL - where do you get that from?


Mainly from living in the US, as compared to living in the UK and Japan. I don't pretend to know many other countries well, but that was definitely one of the greatest things about American culture. Community is certainly something the US does well. Occasionally, sure, it pushes people out, but not so much in my experience.


Just out of curiosity, were you living inside this?

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If that's the case, I guess it's understandable how one might anecdotally reach this conclusion, though perhaps not scientifically accurate.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:21 pm
by Symmetry
saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:One of the finer points of the US, and I know I come across as a critic of American culture most of the time, is its sense of community, especially in times of tragedy.


LOL - where do you get that from?


Mainly from living in the US, as compared to living in the UK and Japan. I don't pretend to know many other countries well, but that was definitely one of the greatest things about American culture. Community is certainly something the US does well. Occasionally, sure, it pushes people out, but not so much in my experience.


Just out of curiosity, were you living inside this?

Image

If that's the case, I guess it's understandable how one might anecdotally reach this conclusion, though perhaps not scientifically accurate.


Did you want scientific accuracy? Why?

And why are you trolling this thread?

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:37 pm
by saxitoxin
Symmetry wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:One of the finer points of the US, and I know I come across as a critic of American culture most of the time, is its sense of community, especially in times of tragedy.


LOL - where do you get that from?


Mainly from living in the US, as compared to living in the UK and Japan. I don't pretend to know many other countries well, but that was definitely one of the greatest things about American culture. Community is certainly something the US does well. Occasionally, sure, it pushes people out, but not so much in my experience.


Just out of curiosity, were you living inside this?

Image

If that's the case, I guess it's understandable how one might anecdotally reach this conclusion, though perhaps not scientifically accurate.


Did you want scientific accuracy? Why?

And why are you trolling this thread?


How am I trolling it? You came barreling in here in a red, white and blue, '57 Chevy, waving the Stars & Stripes and blaring Yankee Doodle Dandy from the stereo at full blast and I'm not permitted to ask you to please turn the volume down a bit?

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:49 pm
by spurgistan
Well, no, you're not, because that image is awesome and I want it.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:04 pm
by Juan_Bottom
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-temp ... CBa5qP-2uJ
"[Murphy] received eight or nine gunshot wounds, to extremities and also to the cheek area and the neck," Edwards said. "He was in very close proximity to the shooter. When he arrived, he came upon someone who was injured, and he was going to assist that individual when the shooter came around him, close to his squad, and hit him at a close distance."

The officer was wearing a bullet proof vest, Edwards said.

After gunman Wade Page was shot and killed by other officers, they moved to rescue Murphy. But when they located him, Murphy indicated that rather than help him they should enter the temple to assist any other victims.

"He had been shot nine times -- one of them very serious in the neck area -- and he waved them off and told them to go into the temple to assist those in there," Edwards said.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:08 pm
by BigBallinStalin
Private security forces could provide similar services as well. They'd probably be more effective and safer too.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:08 pm
by Symmetry
Juan_Bottom wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-temple-hero-cop-brian-murphy-shot-times/story?id=16939854#.UCBa5qP-2uJ
"[Murphy] received eight or nine gunshot wounds, to extremities and also to the cheek area and the neck," Edwards said. "He was in very close proximity to the shooter. When he arrived, he came upon someone who was injured, and he was going to assist that individual when the shooter came around him, close to his squad, and hit him at a close distance."

The officer was wearing a bullet proof vest, Edwards said.

After gunman Wade Page was shot and killed by other officers, they moved to rescue Murphy. But when they located him, Murphy indicated that rather than help him they should enter the temple to assist any other victims.

"He had been shot nine times -- one of them very serious in the neck area -- and he waved them off and told them to go into the temple to assist those in there," Edwards said.


Aye, and one of the victims stumbled to a local home where the guy gave him first aid on his lawn. This probably wouldn't happen in Japan, and I don't think it's as common as it used to be in the UK.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:12 pm
by BigBallinStalin
Is it too early to say, "that's sikh, man."

???

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:16 pm
by yang guize
LOL. you are correct. in japan or the uk the sikh would stumble onto a lawn, and the owner of the lawn would run out and stamp on him.

however in the usa the sikh would be carried from the burning building by an eagle, who would then tear out his own kidneys and implant them into the sikh, at expense of his own life.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:17 pm
by saxitoxin
yang guize wrote:LOL. you are correct. in japan or the uk the sikh would stumble onto a lawn, and the owner of the lawn would run out and stamp on him.

however in the usa the sikh would be carried from the burning building by an eagle, who would then tear out his own kidneys and implant them into the sikh, at expense of his own life.


+800 SaxBucks :lol:

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:21 pm
by Symmetry
yang guize wrote:LOL. you are correct. in japan or the uk the sikh would stumble onto a lawn, and the owner of the lawn would run out and stamp on him.

however in the usa the sikh would be carried from the burning building by an eagle, who would then tear out his own kidneys and implant them into the sikh, at expense of his own life.


Nah, in Japan they would likely walk on by. In the UK, at the moment, they might not even leave the house.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:21 pm
by MegaProphet
This tragedy should not be an excuse for you all to argue about how great the US is or isn't in comparison to other countries. My thoughts go out to the victims and their families.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:27 pm
by Juan_Bottom
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CONTEXT: I don't have it.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:44 pm
by Nola_Lifer
Odd how 100 FBI personal weren't there in less then an hour. :-k

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:39 am
by BigBallinStalin
Nola_Lifer wrote:Odd how 100 FBI personal weren't there in less then an hour. :-k


What'dya mean?


I mean, I could list several explanations, but you're being really vague here.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:42 am
by PLAYER57832
MegaProphet wrote:This tragedy should not be an excuse for you all to argue about how great the US is or isn't in comparison to other countries. My thoughts go out to the victims and their families.

agree.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:57 am
by Nola_Lifer
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Nola_Lifer wrote:Odd how 100 FBI personal weren't there in less then an hour. :-k


What'dya mean?


I mean, I could list several explanations, but you're being really vague here.


Where else was there a shooting that 100 FBI agents showed up?