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I know there's quite a few redditors here. What do you think of the recent creepshots/predditor bickering?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/predditors-tumblr-creepshots-reddit_n_1955897.html

from the "posting a picture of an underage student link"

But another user on the site recognized the girl and vowed to turn the man in.

"I know that girl, and I know which teacher you are. I hope you're looking forward to getting fired, you creepy asshole," user "its_comin_up" wrote in the comments of the offending post last Wednesday.

Oh, so you're on a sub-forum called "creep shots" yet THIS creeps you out because you know the girl. Fucking stupid.

reddit sucks.

Army of GOD wrote:from the "posting a picture of an underage student link"

But another user on the site recognized the girl and vowed to turn the man in.

"I know that girl, and I know which teacher you are. I hope you're looking forward to getting fired, you creepy asshole," user "its_comin_up" wrote in the comments of the offending post last Wednesday.

Oh, so you're on a sub-forum called "creep shots" yet THIS creeps you out because you know the girl. Fucking stupid.

reddit sucks.

+1

LOL

MegaProphet wrote:I know there's quite a few redditors here. What do you think of the recent creepshots/predditor bickering?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/predditors-tumblr-creepshots-reddit_n_1955897.html

I'm a Redditor, but I haven't seen this bickering. It seems like a strange argument to me. I tend to think those who are taking/posting the pictures of someone unaware are rather creepy, though.

Army of GOD wrote:from the "posting a picture of an underage student link"

But another user on the site recognized the girl and vowed to turn the man in.

"I know that girl, and I know which teacher you are. I hope you're looking forward to getting fired, you creepy asshole," user "its_comin_up" wrote in the comments of the offending post last Wednesday.

Oh, so you're on a sub-forum called "creep shots" yet THIS creeps you out because you know the girl. Fucking stupid.

reddit sucks.

You're just mad because they're not posting your pictures any more.

Woodruff wrote:

MegaProphet wrote:I know there's quite a few redditors here. What do you think of the recent creepshots/predditor bickering?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/predditors-tumblr-creepshots-reddit_n_1955897.html

I'm a Redditor, but I haven't seen this bickering. It seems like a strange argument to me. I tend to think those who are taking/posting the pictures of someone unaware are rather creepy, though.

Ok, I'm starting to look into this more. I don't like the fact that the Redditor in question was "outed", though I haven't yet even figured out how that happened. So if it was due more to him "outing himself" and Gawker simply putting the information together for an article, well then that's his own damn fault.

Aside from that, yes...free speech is free speech. By the same token, our freedoms are not unlimited and there are repercussions to our actions even when they legitimately fall within the bounds of free speech. This seems like a perfect example of one of those situations.

I expect that at some point in this discussion, someone posts a link where we can see the pics.

This is like coming here telling there's an amazing new chocolate cake and you don't tell us where to buy it.

i'm not at all surprised that the huffpo commenters are on SRS's side.

Woodruff wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

MegaProphet wrote:I know there's quite a few redditors here. What do you think of the recent creepshots/predditor bickering?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/predditors-tumblr-creepshots-reddit_n_1955897.html

I'm a Redditor, but I haven't seen this bickering. It seems like a strange argument to me. I tend to think those who are taking/posting the pictures of someone unaware are rather creepy, though.

Ok, I'm starting to look into this more. I don't like the fact that the Redditor in question was "outed", though I haven't yet even figured out how that happened. So if it was due more to him "outing himself" and Gawker simply putting the information together for an article, well then that's his own damn fault.

Aside from that, yes...free speech is free speech. By the same token, our freedoms are not unlimited and there are repercussions to our actions even when they legitimately fall within the bounds of free speech. This seems like a perfect example of one of those situations.

I'm almost certain he had put his info out there himself. People seem to think that free speech means speech without repercussions which isn't true. I'm a bit disappointed in Reddit for defending these subforums

john9blue wrote:i'm not at all surprised that the huffpo commenters are on SRS's side.

I had to actually go look up "SRS" to figure out what you were talking about...you're more of a Redditor than I am. Anyway...are you hinting that HuffPo is doing a bad thing by supporting those who are against these creepy activities? It appears to me that, much like this article says, SRS is doing good work:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/17/srs-has-more-targets/

This is a good example of how government intervention may not always be necessary. The general public is self-regulating.

thegreekdog wrote:This is a good example of how government intervention may not always be necessary. The general public is self-regulating.

Yes and no. I do understand the point you're making and there is some truth to it, but in this specific case, the primary reason that Reddit itself will wind up responding to these things is because they will be tied to illegal purposes (which is what happened when r/jailbait was tied to underage porn pictures), which can only happen due to government intervention (or the laws would not exist). Reddit even tried to defend that for a while before recognizing that it was a battle that it had no chance of winning from a legal perspective.

Woodruff wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:This is a good example of how government intervention may not always be necessary. The general public is self-regulating.

Yes and no. I do understand the point you're making and there is some truth to it, but in this specific case, the primary reason that Reddit itself will wind up responding to these things is because they will be tied to illegal purposes (which is what happened when r/jailbait was tied to underage porn pictures), which can only happen due to government intervention (or the laws would not exist). Reddit even tried to defend that for a while before recognizing that it was a battle that it had no chance of winning from a legal perspective.

I don't know enough about Reddit to comment intelligently about the issue. But I find it refreshing that a website is trying to out the people posting creepy pictures to embarrass them.

I call it Karma.

thegreekdog wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:This is a good example of how government intervention may not always be necessary. The general public is self-regulating.

Yes and no. I do understand the point you're making and there is some truth to it, but in this specific case, the primary reason that Reddit itself will wind up responding to these things is because they will be tied to illegal purposes (which is what happened when r/jailbait was tied to underage porn pictures), which can only happen due to government intervention (or the laws would not exist). Reddit even tried to defend that for a while before recognizing that it was a battle that it had no chance of winning from a legal perspective.

I don't know enough about Reddit to comment intelligently about the issue. But I find it refreshing that a website is trying to out the people posting creepy pictures to embarrass them.

Reddit is a poor man's 4chan.

EDIT whoops, forgot the n-word is an auto ban. Anyway, there's an old thread on 4chan where this guy talks about wanting to have sex with an underage girl and the 4channers are able to contact the local police and stop the whole thing pretty awesomely.

Army of GOD wrote:
Reddit is a poor man's 4chan.

reddit is what happens when 4chan decides it needs a job, so it gets a haircut and takes a shower (for the first time in weeks) and puts on some nice clothes for the job interview, so that it looks like an average productive member of society

So the creep got creeped by the creeps and then the creep retaliated by creeping the creeps in which the creeps didn't want to be creeped and decided to stop creeping. The whole thing makes the creep look like the hero. Disgusting.

Woodruff wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:This is a good example of how government intervention may not always be necessary. The general public is self-regulating.

Yes and no. I do understand the point you're making and there is some truth to it, but in this specific case, the primary reason that Reddit itself will wind up responding to these things is because they will be tied to illegal purposes (which is what happened when r/jailbait was tied to underage porn pictures), which can only happen due to government intervention (or the laws would not exist). Reddit even tried to defend that for a while before recognizing that it was a battle that it had no chance of winning from a legal perspective.

The threat deterrent from legislated laws may primarily incentivize the redditors' behavior; however, it could also be the case that the reddit community simply doesn't want litter in its playground, so they'll act accordingly.

Ugh, SRS are a combination of trolls and entitled humourless morons who think they "are making a difference" by spending a significant proportion of their life policing an internet forum, even though I could literally be viewing child porn on tor 10 minutes from now if I wanted to.
I think most of them are trolls though. Just read a couple pages of the SRS main page (which admits to being a circlejerk and will immediately ban anyone for the slightest dissenting oppinion).

Anyway, regarding this latest bullshit.
Does anyone think that posting the whole personal details of someone is equivalent to posting a picture of someone you snapped on the street? (I must admit, I never visited the creepShoot subreddit, mostly because by the time I found out about its existance it was already shut down, but as I understand it that is what was happening on there).
If we admit this vigilante has overstepped the line and has actually done something immoral (as I think is clear), what next? Should another vigilante now expose this one to "shame them for their actions". If we're following the same pattern he'd have to up the stakes once more. Perhaps post nude photos of the original vigilante or something.
This approach does not work.

MegaProphet wrote:I'm almost certain he had put his info out there himself. People seem to think that free speech means speech without repercussions which isn't true. I'm a bit disappointed in Reddit for defending these subforums

Reddit is defending the ability of people to post on their website without being afraid of being doxxed. I think anonimity is a very important right and that we will lose a lot in the way of free expression if everyone has to constantly think "how will posting this content affect me when my boss/parents hear about it".
Sure it's easy to be on board with doxxing when it's preventing something creepy/disgusting. But then where exactly do we draw the line? Should it be illegal to post any pictures of people without their consent? Only picture that are somehow sexual? How do you define that?

It is my view that if a legal line has been crossed, legal action should be taken. If it offends you that the content exists on reddit rather than somewhere else, start a petition to remove it from reddit. If they don't, boycott reddit.
Shaming the posters is not a good approach, it is mob-violence and mob-rule.

Edit: Oh and for the record, I'm not accusing SRS of doxxing. It's very unlikely they would have officially sanctioned that as it might have well led to their subreddit being disbanded.

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Edit: Oh and for the record, I'm not accusing SRS of doxxing. It's very unlikely they would have officially sanctioned that as it might have well led to their subreddit being disbanded.

they did, and it won't, because some of their mods are friends with reddit admins.

basically they operate through blackmail and fear, and aren't being punished for it.