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saxitoxin wrote:I think Persians should be allowed to fire Persian weapons in the Persian Gulf.

If Obama doesn't want his drones fired upon, he should fly them over Lake Superior.

muy_thaiguy wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-iranian-warplanes-fired-u-drone-over-200033688.html

Basically 1 of 2 things.
1. Iran's fighter pilots suck. Badly. Drone isn't even outfitted to maneuver away from threats like that.

2. Taking pot shots at the drone for the hell of it/as a warning.

In other news, North Korea's leader is still batshit crazy.

saxitoxin wrote:I think Persians should be allowed to fire Persian weapons in the Persian Gulf.

If Obama doesn't want his drones fired upon, he should fly them over Lake Superior.

saxitoxin wrote:I think Persians should be allowed to fire Persian weapons in the Persian Gulf.

If Obama doesn't want his drones fired upon, he should fly them over Lake Superior.

chang50 wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-iranian-warplanes-fired-u-drone-over-200033688.html

Basically 1 of 2 things.
1. Iran's fighter pilots suck. Badly. Drone isn't even outfitted to maneuver away from threats like that.

2. Taking pot shots at the drone for the hell of it/as a warning.

In other news, North Korea's leader is still batshit crazy.

I'm no fan of the Iranian theocracy but can you imagine the US tolerating foreign drones in international waters close to either their Pacific or Atlantic coastlines..

saxitoxin wrote:

chang50 wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-iranian-warplanes-fired-u-drone-over-200033688.html

Basically 1 of 2 things.
1. Iran's fighter pilots suck. Badly. Drone isn't even outfitted to maneuver away from threats like that.

2. Taking pot shots at the drone for the hell of it/as a warning.

In other news, North Korea's leader is still batshit crazy.

I'm no fan of the Iranian theocracy but can you imagine the US tolerating foreign drones in international waters close to either their Pacific or Atlantic coastlines..

I agree that this is a completely legitimate and justified self-defense action by Iran.

The fact it may have been unarmed or it may have been flying in international airspace is totally irrelevant. The US (1) is widely known to use armed drones and Iran would have no way to know if this one was armed or not, (2) has previously violated Iran's territory with drones [and "hikers"]. Nations have a right to defend themselves against what they would logically assume to be an incoming attack.

Obama is trying to create casus belli for a war with Iran by flying his drones to the edge of Iranian airspace in the hope they'll shoot one down. Obama should (a) issue an apology to Iran, (b) reimburse Iran for the cost of shells it expended firing at the drone, and (c) resign.

Funkyterrance wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

chang50 wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-iranian-warplanes-fired-u-drone-over-200033688.html

Basically 1 of 2 things.
1. Iran's fighter pilots suck. Badly. Drone isn't even outfitted to maneuver away from threats like that.

2. Taking pot shots at the drone for the hell of it/as a warning.

In other news, North Korea's leader is still batshit crazy.

I'm no fan of the Iranian theocracy but can you imagine the US tolerating foreign drones in international waters close to either their Pacific or Atlantic coastlines..

I agree that this is a completely legitimate and justified self-defense action by Iran.

The fact it may have been unarmed or it may have been flying in international airspace is totally irrelevant. The US (1) is widely known to use armed drones and Iran would have no way to know if this one was armed or not, (2) has previously violated Iran's territory with drones [and "hikers"]. Nations have a right to defend themselves against what they would logically assume to be an incoming attack.

Obama is trying to create casus belli for a war with Iran by flying his drones to the edge of Iranian airspace in the hope they'll shoot one down. Obama should (a) issue an apology to Iran, (b) reimburse Iran for the cost of shells it expended firing at the drone, and (c) resign.

Fishing for casus belli is one thing, taking the bait is another. Have they no self control?

Iran Air Flight 655 was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on 3 July 1988 as it flew over the Strait of Hormuz at the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai, United Arab Emirates. While flying in Iranian airspace over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path, it was destroyed by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes (CG-49). All 290 onboard including 66 children and 16 crew perished.[1] The incident is ranked ninth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history. It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world.[citation needed] The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.

The Flight 655 incident was a year after the 17 March 1987, Iraqi Air Force attack on the U.S. Navy guided-missile frigate USS Stark (FFG-31). U.S. naval forces had exchanged gunfire with Iranian gunboats in the fall of 1987. The U.S. Navy guided-missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58) had struck an Iranian sea mine in April 1988. Two months before the incident the US had also engaged in Operation Praying Mantis resulting in the sinking of the Iranian frigate Sahand. Tensions were therefore high in the Strait of Hormuz.

According to the United States Government, the crew identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter (a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force). The Iranian government maintains that Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft. The event generated a great deal of controversy and criticism of the United States. Some analysts have blamed U.S. military commanders and the captain of Vincennes for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[2][3]

In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice.[4] As part of the settlement, the United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million, an average of $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. However, the United States has never admitted responsibility, nor apologized to Iran.[5]

Dukasaur wrote:

Funkyterrance wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

chang50 wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-iranian-warplanes-fired-u-drone-over-200033688.html

Basically 1 of 2 things.
1. Iran's fighter pilots suck. Badly. Drone isn't even outfitted to maneuver away from threats like that.

2. Taking pot shots at the drone for the hell of it/as a warning.

In other news, North Korea's leader is still batshit crazy.

I'm no fan of the Iranian theocracy but can you imagine the US tolerating foreign drones in international waters close to either their Pacific or Atlantic coastlines..

I agree that this is a completely legitimate and justified self-defense action by Iran.

The fact it may have been unarmed or it may have been flying in international airspace is totally irrelevant. The US (1) is widely known to use armed drones and Iran would have no way to know if this one was armed or not, (2) has previously violated Iran's territory with drones [and "hikers"]. Nations have a right to defend themselves against what they would logically assume to be an incoming attack.

Obama is trying to create casus belli for a war with Iran by flying his drones to the edge of Iranian airspace in the hope they'll shoot one down. Obama should (a) issue an apology to Iran, (b) reimburse Iran for the cost of shells it expended firing at the drone, and (c) resign.

Fishing for casus belli is one thing, taking the bait is another. Have they no self control?

Have you no self control?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Iran Air Flight 655 was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on 3 July 1988 as it flew over the Strait of Hormuz at the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai, United Arab Emirates. While flying in Iranian airspace over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path, it was destroyed by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes (CG-49). All 290 onboard including 66 children and 16 crew perished.[1] The incident is ranked ninth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history. It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world.[citation needed] The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.

The Flight 655 incident was a year after the 17 March 1987, Iraqi Air Force attack on the U.S. Navy guided-missile frigate USS Stark (FFG-31). U.S. naval forces had exchanged gunfire with Iranian gunboats in the fall of 1987. The U.S. Navy guided-missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58) had struck an Iranian sea mine in April 1988. Two months before the incident the US had also engaged in Operation Praying Mantis resulting in the sinking of the Iranian frigate Sahand. Tensions were therefore high in the Strait of Hormuz.

According to the United States Government, the crew identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter (a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force). The Iranian government maintains that Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft. The event generated a great deal of controversy and criticism of the United States. Some analysts have blamed U.S. military commanders and the captain of Vincennes for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[2][3]

In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice.[4] As part of the settlement, the United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million, an average of $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. However, the United States has never admitted responsibility, nor apologized to Iran.[5]

maxfaraday wrote:WW3?

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